By Paul Homewood
h/t Ian Magness
Thanks to our electoral system, the Reform Party will be lucky to win a seat.
But anything that gets discussion of Net Zero into the open is to be applauded.
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
I would like to think that I have had some influence on Reform’s position as I have approached them on this topic. However, I think it more likely that common sense has prevailed albeit a little late in the day. I have forgotten just how long ago it was at a British Institute of Energy Economics meeting I pointed out that continuing to follow the provisions of the Climate Change Act of 2008 would be an act of national economic Hari Kari. BTW after my remark the reaction was silence followed by the rest of the meeting as planned.
It is possible that the result of such a referendum is to continue on the path to net zero.
Yes, they may lose some votes with this washy-washy referendum, even though it will never happen. Would rather repeal the CC Act, let market forces loose.
But, what fun there would be during an election, the only time that BBC impartiality is partially enforced.
Unfortunately, the catastrophic implications of continuing with the highly “virtuous” idea of Net Zero have been extremely well hidden from the general public by most politicians, MSM and climate activists so it would be a case of turkeys voting for Christmas. Net Zero will only be abandoned after the hideous pain has been experienced, by which time it will be far too late.
The referendum campaign would be a good opportunity to air the issues.
We can hope but that didn’t happen with the Brexit Referendum and the ignorance prevails about the EU to this day where such dimwits as politicians and legacy media wonks still can’t understand membership of the EU Customs Union. But the detached elite and eco-fascists could join forces to piss enough people off and have them vote against just as the Remainers won the Brexit Referendum for Leavers.
it’s disappointing that they don’t just say that their policy is to scrap Net Zero, especially when they have suddenly been handed an excellent justification in the form of “Climate: The Movie”,
Paul, you say that Reform haven’t got a chance, but my painful Scottish experience of the SNP gives me a more hopeful perspective. The separatist SNP have held power in Scotland since 2007 because the Unionist parties (Con/Lab/Lib) fight against each other and split their votes. In the next GE, if enough voters in each constituency voted for a single non-Uniparty candidate, e.g. Reform or an outstanding independent, they could succede as the SNP have done since 2007 by splitting the Uniparty vote.
The most important thing is that people need to stop voting for the Uniparty (Con/Lab/Lib/SNP).
For decades, the Uniparty has conspired to wreck the economy through their never-mandated Net Zero nonsense on stilts.
Then in Covid they showed puppet-like subservience to their psychopathic globalist overlords by not only massivly wrecking the economy for a virus no worse the flu but also maiming and killing off millions of us worldwide with their untested mRNA Covid vaccines.
it’s all so obvious. Why do so few people see it?
There will be a kinda referendum at the election. No chance of Reform being elected with the first past the post system but it will be interesting to see how well Reform does against the Greens who also promote PR from a position of weakness. That is a kinda referendum with the two opposite sides of NZ.
If the activists have got it right the Greens v Reform will result in a massive multiple number of votes going to the Greens compared to Reform. Nearer the time it will be interesting to see what odds the bookies lay.
Start with 9X more voting Green in line with the 2023 promises of Keir Starmer (Stratford and Davos) being “9X cheaper than imported fossil fuels.”
This is a major mistake for Reform. Either they think the policy is scam or they don’t. You don’t have referendum for a scam in case people might like it.
The legality of all UK climate legislation must be challenged because it is all based on the falsehood that CO2 is harmful to Earth’s climate. When victory is achieved, all climate legislation must be declared null and void.
It would be as bad as the Brexit referendum, where the question was diluted by apparent options of “hard” Brexit, soft “Brexit,” staying in the single market, staying in the Customs Union etc. Whereas Project Fear failed with Brexit, because it was obvious that Remain neither believed in it nor even really believed in the EU, I can see the crazies coming out in force to repeat the “we’re doomed, Mr Mainwaring” nonsense that might mean Net Zero became more entrenched than ever.
When the public realise the destruction of their way of life that will come (no foreign holidays, no car for most, cold houses) and see China and India laughing all the way to the bank with increased emissions, there will come a reckoning. The next Labour government is the price we must all pay to get proper conservative policies back, and consign net zero to the bin.
Four years is about the time scale, give Starmer a few years to let Miliband loose, with a really bad cold winter it should all collapse. Then a referendum, but the damage to the UK may be too much to recover from, with the loss of Fossil fuels all smelting/refining operations, no automobile industry, no armament industry. Then look at our lack of energy security, with Putin a loose cannon, China looking to invade Taiwan (all laptops are made here) Iran and North Korea unpredictable.
Climate the movie will only be watched by climate change deniers like us. Only blackouts will change the majority opinion that the planet needs saving, from carbon dioxide produced by using fossil fuels. The whole of the MSM are behind the climate change scam. Bribery and corruption at the centre of Government feeds the subsidies for renewable, but intermittent power sources. All the barmy ideas for carbon capture with storage, mining Lithium in Cornwall and Durham, using Hydrogen instead of Methane etc etc have money thrown at them, and eventually will fail. If they were really any good then venture capital would invest, but it does not.
There is a distinct possibility that a referendum would backfire at this point and lead to acceleration of net zero implementation, we have to wait until the population are really suffering, no power, no meat, no flying, no affordable cars!
Quite so – very sadly!
Poor choice. I want them to present an alternative, not to go for some difficult to win, wishy-washy referendum.
“…poor choice…”
It is necessary. It means that Reform can avoid being constantly badgered by the MSM on this religious matter, and slammed as, “fantastically ignorant, far-right, nutters.” Instead, “Our policy is not to have a policy on this particular grave matter until the wise and wonderful people of this great country have been specially consulted!”
All political campaigns must have a SINGLE theme. Reform’s theme for the next five years is, for this election, “Be warned!” and for the following election, “Told you so!”
Still not much of a chance for success.
I have been mulling over the idea of starting a Government Petition.
Along the lines of “All members of the Cabinet and their protection officers must travel within the United Kingdom and Europe using only zero emissions methods of travel.”
This, with a million votes, might prove an interesting subject for debate in the House Of Commons. Possibly more effective than most petitions in highlighting the folly of Net Zero
Now that is very subtly clever. Both the eco-zealots and the sceptics would be voting for it so a potentially strong chance of reaching the threshold. Woth a shot.
I’d just stick to the facts: with net zero
You will be poor
You will be cold
You will be hungry
You may lose your car
You may lose your job
You may lose your home
How could anyone vote for that?
But no-one would believe the real facts.
If this event ever took place the media propaganda would make the Brexit referendum look like a scrupulously fair contest. Truly, it’d be hideous.
Reform’s best chance is to revise Net Zero as an aspiration rather than legally binding.
They sell that by observing that NO UK government can hit their own Net Zero targets, so it’d make sense to remove the ‘mandatory’ part and allow progress to be made as and when technology allows.
To all intents and purposes that’s where everyone bar the loons is. If it can be built and shown to work then get on with it. If not then let’s incentivise R&D but hold back on the full fat Net Zero while continuing to use the stuff that actually works to keep the lights on.
This is an entirely sensible middle ground to take as it allows advocates for ‘cleaner tech’ while having reservations about committing to it until it can be shown to work.
Supporters across the board can get behind that position.
He tends not to blow his own trumpet, however, I feel occasional poster on here (and former Vulcan bomber commander) Julian Flood might be worth consulting on whether or not Reform have any chance of gaining seats. I would personally welcome his views.
Julian stood at the 2015 General Election on behalf of UKIP and managed to effectively wipe out the Labour and Lib Dem vote to achieve second place ( and 10,700 votes) to none other than Matt Hancock.
I believe Reform are working more tactically to target specific seats at the next election and may make a few breakthroughs. They are NOT all Conservative seats, Labour is possibly more vulnerable in certain areas…despite what the Grauniad/BBC axis would like us all/try to progamme us all to believe.
What would the yes/no question be? Net zero isn’t as clear a concept as staying in or leaving the EU for example.
“Should we abolish the Net Zero Act”?
I get the point, but there isn’t such an Act. It seems to be buried in Section 14 of the Climate Change Act 2008.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6194dfa4d3bf7f0555071b1b/net-zero-strategy-beis.pdf
http://www.climatethemovie.net I
O?T but it seems old BBC grifters never die….they just revert to the Grauniad.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/apr/01/thermal-energy-storage-industry
More Horrobin BS.
the Heritage Party would repeal the Net Zero Act and the Climate Change Act along with all the Orwellian laws against “hate crime” etc. It is the only party with a clear, concise, common sense set of policies which would set us free from the increasing tyranny being imposed on us.
That’s what is needed. The legislation was introduced undemocratically, with virtually no debate and no detailed cost/benefit analysis. It has no democratic or moral legitimacy. Until such time as a full cost/benefit analysis is available to the public AND a detailed scientific analysis of the NECESSITY and EFFECTIVENESS of such legislation is prepared, there should be NO referendum presented to the public.
Well said, Jaime. All the information you state must be presented to the public well before any referendum on the CCA/Net Zero.
Regards, John C.
If the Reform Party and Heritage Party were to unite in their efforts to provide the public with some honest views that the general public are not told by the MSM, would it not be more advantageous in securing some legitimacy in what will be a very difficult agenda to overturn.
This describes the net zero part of current UK law.
Energy Security Bill Factsheet: Ofgem net zero duty (added 6 June 2023)
Updated 1 September 2023
It is an amendment to Ofgem’s existing duty to consider consumers’ interest in the reduction of greenhouse gases, by making specific reference to the net zero targets and 5-year Carbon budgets in the Climate Change Act 2008.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/energy-security-bill-factsheets/energy-security-bill-factsheet-ofgem-net-zero-duty-added-6-june-2023
How about:
“Should the UK adopt, as a binding policy, a lock-step with India on ITS journey to net-zero?”
“Reform Party will be lucky to win a seat……..” Yes but it will destroy the Tory Party wets and after that the Labour Party then will be Reforms time.
I suggest Paul draws up a summary of the “For” case and the “Against” case on climate change; unemotional; factual and equal number of words on each. This is the concept of the Swiss style of referendum process. Not Party policies; not personalities; not pressure groups. He has the expertise and knowledge. It looks like Reform might do that but it must be balanced and unemotional. Then let the debate flow! Let the people decide; not the elite and the intelligentsia!