I sold my electric car and went back to a diesel – I’d had enough
By Paul Homewood
For years now, I have seen puff pieces for EVs in the press, auto trade and even Facebook. They are usually full of supportive comments from supposed drivers, but it has long been clear that most are actually fake sources, no doubt fraudulently created by the EV lobby.
The real world tells us another side of the story:
Drivers are finding there are plenty of reasons for stalling on electric cars, from broken chargers and rising insurance costs to battery degradation and reduced range in cold weather
The maiden voyage of Guy Stenhouse’s new Jaguar I-Pace in 2019 did not go well. His 145-mile route from Glasgow to Sedbergh in Cumbria was lined with charging points – but most would not charge his car, meaning a trip that should have taken about 2 hours 45 mins took seven hours.
“I stopped at every charging station I could, hooked the car up to the charger only to find it wouldn’t work,” he says.” It meant I was only able to use slow chargers and I could only get about 13 miles of charge each time. I got home at midnight.”
Many electric vehicle (EV) drivers will have heard versions of this story, or even had a similar misfortune themselves – as I did when charging problems elongated a drive between London and Cornwall in an electric car last year. It seems, five years ago, that perhaps Stenhouse was too far ahead of his time, and suffered at the hands of an under-developed charging network that is still evolving.
Stenhouse has since switched to a diesel car. That might sound surprising given that he was an early adopter of a fully electric car, as well as solar panels and a small wind turbine (he even had a hybrid car back in 2016). But he’s not alone in turning his back on EVs. According to the UK-wide independent car supermarket Motorpoint, 56 per cent of EV drivers part-exchanged for an alternative fuel type in 2023, with petrol dominating the choice at 30 per cent.
Mark Carpenter, chief executive of Motorpoint Group, says: “It’s clear that some have found an electric vehicle isn’t right for them. There doesn’t seem to be one reason. Instead, it tends to be a range of factors, for example, moving to a property without a home charger, a new job with a longer commute, or the high price of public chargers.”
There have been other warning signs across the industry, too. In February it was reported that Apple had scrapped its plans to move into the EV market. Tesla’s sales and shares are also dropping, as is the value of second-hand EVs compared with their internal combustion engine (ICE) counterparts. There have also been alarming news reports of incidents when EV brakes failed to work.
Harry Metcalfe, a motoring journalist and co-founder of the car magazine Evo, has also made the swap. After two years leasing an EV and two-and-a-half years with a hybrid electric as the main family car, he’s swapped to a diesel Range Rover Sport (though as a car fanatic, he does have an extensive collection of other cars too). On his popular YouTube channel, Harry’s Garage, he gets into the details of why, and explains he’s “not someone who doesn’t like electric cars”, and he’s another early adopter of green energy, using solar panels and heat pumps. He says that at the moment an EV isn’t suitable for their big drives or for towing a trailer.
He also cites the rising cost of EV insurance, along with depreciation: the value of second-hand EVs has dropped 23 per cent in the past year, according to research from the online marketplace Auto Trader. One reason for this is the Government’s Zero Emission Vehicles mandate, which requires that 28 per cent of all new vehicle sales must be EVs by 2025, increasing incrementally to 100 per cent by 2035. It means manufacturers are pushing new EVs on to the market faster than demand is rising, and that buyers of those can benefit from tax breaks that don’t apply to used cars.
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Too many snags. EV’s didn’t catch on last time around either.
https://i.postimg.cc/0NDTK19X/Volvo-diesel-fuel-tank-range.jpg
So, in 2023, 56% of EV car owners exchanged for petrol/diesel. With a number like that why would anyone who needs a car for longer journeys ever consider buying an EV.
[citation needed]
People pushed into taking statins quit them in droves quite quickly, for the same reason. No benefit, lots of downsides.
EVs aren’t the consumer choice, they’re the governments choice …..where’s the freedom of choice
Huh, seems to me that people who buy EVs don’t tend to listen to reason, just like the poopstars purchasing Chelsea Tractors, kinda thing. There’s good reason to have an EV for short runs where Diesels or Petrol ten to run cold and create their own problems, but otherwise, … I can store from 30 to 60/100 miles even, in a single canister in the Boot and with several around will ALWAYS have reserves for emergency use at any time of day. And that’s it! Simples!
seems to me that people who buy EVs don’t tend to listen to reason
As previously posted by me and others, the primary “driver” for BEV sales in the UK was the tax breaks i.e. subsidies from non-BEV owners / drivers.
The heavy depreciation of BEVs should now reflect in the lease prices.
I just cannot believe that you think that some/most of the enthusiastic, gushing, glowing, You Must Get One, reports on how Great & Good EV’s are, may be fake- who would do such a thing?, but there again, since turkeys don’t vote for Christmas, then just maybe the EV manufacturers realise that someone has too sing the praises of the Wonder of the Modern Age.
I have just purchased a ‘23 plate petrol, Skoda, Octavia – replacing a ‘17 plate Skoda, Octavia, I could have got a EV, I have off road parking so home charging is not a problem, BUT, and this is critical, the number of external charge points (garages etc) with working chargers is woefully low, plus on a single tank of fossil fuel petrol I can get between 485 & 550 miles, an EV at best would give me between 195 & 220 on a charge of fossil fuel supported (90% of the time) electricity, plus refuelling with petrol/ diesel takes between 7 & 10mins (fill,pay,return), with the Wonder of the Modern Age recharging could be anything from 45mins to GOK.
So when they A) get a EV with a range of 475 miles min., B) recharging down to 15mins max., C) improve the number of charge points nationally that work 24/7/365, and D) sort out the insurance, only then will people feel that This Truely Is The Future.
Sort out the insurance? Insurance will never come down.
How do “they” sort out the insurance? It’s purely a function of cost. If EVs cist more and repairs cost more and damaged EVs are more likely to be written off, then premia wllbe higher.
Insurance is based simply on risk i.e chance, and cost.
Personally I think sub 15 minute charging in most locations is never going to happen without and SMR next door. 6 cars permanently charging 60kWh of battery in 10 minute simultaneously is beyond the capability of the grid without a few trillion £s of investment.
As the second car in a two-car family, used only for predictable length commutes, I think an EV would be quite nice. Plug it in at night, drive it to work in the morning. No stops for refueling, no oil changes. Sweet.
But if you’ll ever need to take long trips, you’d need to take the other car.
One downside is that the proliferation of EVs is making automobile insurance much more expensive for everyone, because of the high cost of EV repairs after collisions.
Changing topics… Hey, Paul, what’s the deal with the javascript on your site? It won’t let me copy my comment, except one paragraph at a time.
That’s right, Dave. When used for local travel, and charged at home, EVs work just fine. Stenhouse’s problems are not experienced by most EV owners; they know better than to try.
Well, it does let me copy my comment after I’ve posted it, just not while I’m editing it.
What is this ‘insurance more expensive for everyone’ ? We have 3 vehicles, not seen any great increase in any premiums. Maybe just lucky.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/car-insurance-rates-2024-inflation-climate-change-bankrate-report/
Glad we are not in USA then
EVs are more expensive to repair, more expensive to replace if written off and more likely to be written off. There’s more of them on the road so your chances of hitting one are higher. Thus your premium will increase, no matter what you drive.
This article reveals all on the uselessness of EVs:
https://principia-scientific.com/the-hertz-meltdown-reveals-the-scale-of-the-ev-debacle/
I was surprised that that Principia-Scientific article seemed to be fairly factual. That’s wildly out of character for them.
But then I saw, at the end, that they plagiarized it from another source. That explains it.
It’s still a bad idea to link to things on the Principia-Scientific site. It’s pretty much guaranteed that you’ll either be promoting disinformation, or rewarding plagiarism, or both. Just say no.
I love this sentence ”It was created by government, social media, wild disease frenzy, far-flung thinking, and the irrational chasing of utopia, followed by a rude awakening by facts and reality.”
Sounds like NetZero
If a parallel world had only EVs and then someone invented a car with an internal combustion engine, just think how easy to market it – much cheaper, less depreciation, 4 times the range no matter the weather, charged to 100% in a few minutes, half the weight, far fewer rare metals to be mined, will keep going for 200,000 miles if looked after etc etc
That actually happened in the early 20th century. ICE won. Easily.
Super, Very High Spec, too ( :-) )
Three times now I have traveled to Knoxville, TN from Morgantown, WV (ca. 450 miles) on a single tank of gas in my Chrysler Pacifica minivan. Same coming back. I even have between 50 and 100 miles left. Oh, and there are some real mountains in WV, especially from Beckley to beyond the VA line.
I well remember Paul’s posting of the sad tale of the little authoress with her EV and her phone who planned a trip to her book signing and was very, very late. Her car even had to be towed at one point. Worth a re-posting, Paul.
Real mountains? People from Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, and Washington are smiling.
They can smile away. We are the Eastern Divide. At one time, the Appalachians were higher than the Rockies, before erosion did its work.
As far as I know, it is not possible to tow an EV. Nor is it to tow a normal modern car.
I am just quoting from the article about the UK’s authoress sale tale of her trip w/ her EV and her phone (to locate charging stations) to a hilly area.
There are few left who remember the Appalachians being taller than the Rockies.
“…some real mountains…”
The highest peak in West Virginia is Spruce Knob ,at 4,863 feet. That is a Category 5 mountain according to UN definitions.
So a ‘real’ mountain but not a ‘real impressive’ mountain. Higher than anything in Scotland though! The nearest town is apparently Seneca Rocks, at an elevation of 1,568 feet; so the mountain must rise 3,295 feet. A very stiff walk.
The furthest I ever got into West Virginia was Harpers’ Ferry, which is not far from Washington D.C. Would have liked to go further.
As a school child, Spruce Knob was 4860′. Sometime later they found 3 more feet to tack onto it. I have been there many times. In early May I will be leading a tour to Dolly Sods as a botanical leader for the West Virginia Wildflower Pilgrimage. It is about 4000′ and somewhat dish-shaped. It was an old syncline, whereas Canaan Valley, below was the anticline. But as the upwarps break open and erode rapidly, Dolly Sods stayed somewhat in place while the Blackwater Anticline eroded merrily past it to become Canaan Valley which is pretty consistently 3200′.
Come back to WV and get over the Eastern Divide into the rest of the state. That iconic picture of the coal miners pushing the little out of juice EV up the road the their charging station was in Canaan Valley.
If they had only just started building and selling them they would not know about depreciation.
The trouble is that there are no viable solutions to the problems of battery cars. The super-duper massively powerful, small, cheap, fast charging batteries may only be 20 years away but then so is nuclear fusion power and has been for 30 years or more.
This article is about a man who tried to use an EV beyond its capabilities, and it didn’t work out. That’s not the car’s fault; it’s the human’s fault.
I’m nearly 80 and nuclear fusion has been “in 25 year’s time” for most of my life!
Remember the newspaper headlines in early 1958: “Britain’s Scientists Harness Sun!”, “A Sun of Our Own!” etc., etc. ?
What a fiasco.
https://www.iter.org/newsline/-/2905
Not quite sure what the shivering girl has to do with it.
About needing a place to refuel:
In the USA, many in-town smaller stations will have 4 to 8 pumps. Away from the local streets, stations will frequently have 2 to 5 dozen pumps. Occasionally, a pump or two is out-of-order. This is never a problem that causes anyone to move on down-the-road to another establishment. I usually pull into and leave within 7 minutes.
Try an images search with ” large gasoline station “
Note, this is the USA
The good news about EVs:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/02/tesla-car-sales-elon-musk-bubble-burst/
“It has culminated in what analysts have called a “nightmare” quarter in which sales fell for the first time in four years.
On Tuesday, Tesla reported that it had delivered 386,810 cars in the three months ending in March, substantially down on the 422,875 it delivered during the same period a year earlier.”
Amazing that a majority of EV buyers switch back. No wonder sales are stalling and second-hand prices falling.
A Single friend of mine has just requested his EV company car be changed back to an ICE. Despite all the tax breaks and free at-work charging he found he was having to run a second car of his own to overcome all the problems of his private use. Losing all the “perks” he found it wad still a better option just having a diesel as his sole car..
After purchasing a Tesla Model 3 and now with 30,000 miles in 3 years I would never go back to ICE power. The ability to charge at home to give 320 miles of range and the coverage and speed of the Tesla charging network has never given any range concerns. Public changing is messy but the Tesla network removes this pain and risk.
I three years the only service / maintenance is having to replace the cabin air filter. Will need to fit new boots this year.
After test driving BMW, Lexus and Ford EVs I can see that many EVs on the market are below expectations in terms of range and technology. This partly explains why the Tesla Y was the best selling car in the world last year.
“Will need to fit new boots this year.” That’s a clever way to avoid tyre wear.
Quite remarkably, there was a little letter in The Times this morning which said that the average age of second hand ICE cars was 13 years and that electric vehicles would need a new battery by then costing more that the value of the car and that the market for second hand EVs would be like used washing machines.
remarkable yo see this in the MSM
electric vehicles would need a new battery by then costing more that the value of the car
This sounds worse than it will probably be. $20k for a revitalized Model S might be a great deal.
All depends. Just visited Iceland. The cabs are new and clean. One was a Tesla. The driver/owner loved it. The one thing in Iceland that is cheap is electricity. He drives his cab all day and than charges it overnight when he gets home. Perfect for him. Another Icelandic cab driver/owner disparaged EV’s, since they have little resale value and, in a case in Iceland, driving through 8 inches of water cancelled the battery warranty.
Then, a lot depends on state subsidies for EV’s. They just stopped them in Iceland.
So, it depends on how you use it, what your expectations are, and what the state does to promote their use.
Two things are certain:
The one sure thing, is that the second hand value of a diesel or petrol car is going to skyrocket if they ever force all new cars to be EV. Invest in the future …
I’d call hydrocarbons “smart” … except that now means totally dumb.
Fan boys never seem to grasp that for everyone to have an EV (never going to happen) and charging while they run their air conditioner, heating, cooking lighting etc while charging their virtue signaling toys is going to require a 200 to 300% increase in electrical generation and a re wiring with heavy duty cables of the grid to take all the charging loads… so the peasants will be taking the bus, when the power is up between blackouts…