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The Long Troubled History of Northern Ireland

April 2, 2024

By Paul Homewood

 

One reader asked me to publish this short section from HH Lamb’s Climate: Present, Past and Future:

 

 

 

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It is revealing in so many ways.

14 Comments
  1. Epping Blogger permalink
    April 2, 2024 10:31 am

    I don’t think we will have to worry much longer for our fellow citizens in Northern Ireland. The political class is determined to get rid of them to the ROI.

    I wonder how long before SNP find a way of blaming England for the famine – we seem to be responsible for all the world’s other problems, real or imagined, current or historic. Probably future as well!

  2. Gamecock permalink
    April 2, 2024 10:45 am

    My ancestors were rounded up, taken from their homes, and sent to farm the land in another country. Reparations pending?

    to relieve the suffering arising from the continual famines

    You relieve famine with . . . food.

    But just giving them food wouldn’t get rid of Knox’s pesky Presbyterians.

    Lamb’s stated motivation is partisan.

    • timleeney permalink
      April 2, 2024 10:58 am

      You can only relieve famine with food if you have some to provide.

    • glenartney permalink
      April 2, 2024 11:53 am

      James VI was a protestant educated by George Buchanan while his mother, Mary Queen of Scots was held prisoner in England (like several of her predecessors).

      Part of the reason he sent Scottish Protestants to Ulster was to put a buffer between Catholic Ireland and Protestant Britain. But it’s a whole lot more complex than that. The religious repercussions still affect both Ireland and Scotland today.

      Scotland was also adversely affected by the Potato Famine but to a lesser extent than Ireland.

      • glenartney permalink
        April 2, 2024 12:01 pm

        Who were the Scots?

      • Gamecock permalink
        April 2, 2024 12:05 pm

        Correct. They were sent to Ulster to occupy lands taken from Irish Chieftans.

      • Gamecock permalink
        April 2, 2024 12:07 pm

        Glen,

        Lowland/Cumberland Scots and some English around Carlisle.

  3. Devoncamel permalink
    April 2, 2024 12:21 pm

    A colder climate will kill more people than a warmer one. Adapting to it will be more challenging than we imagine. If the crop failures of the late 17th century were repeated we’d have a real climate emergency rather than a politically manufactured one.

  4. dearieme permalink
    April 2, 2024 3:44 pm

    When the King decided to cook the goose of the most troublesome bandits on the Border he commanded action. His Majesty’s English government rounded up lots of Grahams and expelled them to Ireland. His Majesty’s Scottish government rounded up lots of Armstrongs and hanged ’em.

    • dave permalink
      April 3, 2024 11:40 am

      Scotland was not the only country which suffered famine around that time:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1601%E2%80%931603

      It was suggested, in 2008, that the world was affected by a volcanic winter as a result of a known eruption in Peru in 1600:

      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080423135236.htm

      I was always under the impression that the “Plantation” of James I and VI was an an attempt at run-of-the-mill colonization and ethnic cleansing. It was quite small. It involved 3,500 males from Scotland and a similar number from North England. A fairly relaxed, multi-ethnic, community soon developed in Ulster, of necessity as there were so many Gaels still there. It was the English Civil War, and the way it spilled over into Scotland and Ireland, that sowed the real dragons’ teeth of the present, uneasy, relationship of the Scots, Irish, and English.

      • dave permalink
        April 3, 2024 12:08 pm

        This may also be of interest to some people:

        https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-84830-5

        This investigation implies, among other things*, that the eruption of 1600 was (with respect to the long period covering many solar cycles) at sunspot maximum between the Sporer and Maunder minimums. Kind of where we have been, until recently? It is well established that are some apparent connections between solar activity and the earth’s seismic activity.

        *The main finding, or suggestion, is that the Maunder minimum’s genesis can be traced back to 1600. (In Medicine, this would be called a prodromal symptom; that slight tickle in the throat and a vague feeling of tiredness -crap, I am getting ANOTHER **** cold!)

      • Stuart Hamish permalink
        April 4, 2024 7:29 am

        King James IV’s Scottish transportation to Ulster ‘ Plantation’ phase coincides with arguably the coldest time of the Little Ice Age and the most catastrophic cluster of European famines in the time series 1250 - 2017 CE 

        See p.4 , Figure 1 Timing of European Famines , 1250 – 2017 https://ucd.ie/economics/t4media/WP18_03.pdf 

        The troubled history of Northern Ireland and indeed Ireland itself harkens back further however Paul than the 1600’s . Robert the Bruce and his brother Edward invaded Ireland with their Scottish armies during the Great Famine of 1315 - 1322 - the years of saturating intense rainfall , human and animal epidemics , population decline,  crop failures and famines . The Scottish expedition , repulsed by the Anglo – Irish , was exacerbated by the climatic chaos of the advent of the Little Ice Age . 

  5. ELH permalink
    April 3, 2024 9:15 am

    George MacDonald Fraser wrote “The Steel Bonnets” about the border reivers and that their 100 years of toing and froing during the Tudor period was ended by James I but I hadn’t connected it to what happened next i.e. that some were sent to Ireland. He says that many of them went to the Americas. Does anyone have a recommended read for Scottish and Irish history in the 17th century? I am aware of the Darien scheme which links to the crop failures at the end of that century. 

  6. April 3, 2024 5:17 pm

    Yes. China asked East India Company traders to leave in December 1836. That British capital withdrawals from the US suddenly accelerated to gear up for opium wars is a fact never mentioned. Instead, history classes are treated to cartoons of Jackson and Biddle boxing over the Bank of the United States charter. Any day now the Panic of 1837 will be retroactively blamed on Sharknado Warmunism brought about by fireplace emissions, just you watch.

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