Govt Wants To Switch Your Heat Pumps Off
By Paul Homewood
Needless to say, it will be neither smart or secure.
And now they want remote control over your heat pumps:
So when it is cold and the wind is not blowing, off will go your heat pumps.
They will no doubt argue that it will only occur for an hour or so at peak times, but when we are short of power for days on end, this argument will go out the window.
The whole idea will in any event be counter productive. If people wake up to a cold house, they will switch electric fires on instead.
If every home turns on a 2-bar fire at 7.00 am, that will add 50 GW of demand. And it won’t stop there. Fan heaters will go in bathrooms and bedrooms as well.
Currently nearly all of this heating comes from gas, which is cheap and effective. It will be hard enough swapping this gas for the electricity needed for heat pumps.
But electric fires will use three times the power that a heat pump would.
This all has the trappings of a government digging itself ever deeper into the hole. Every decision they make simply makes matters worse.
Meanwhile it’s yet another reason not to buy a heat pump.
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
Note, however, that Fiends of the Earth, Greenpiss and the rest have had another LawFare victory over Coutinho and the Department of Zero Energy Security, thanks to another Activist, Reality-Denier Judge.
“Don’t confuse us with facts, We’ve made up our minds!”
Actually they are correct, the only way out is for the government to water down the climate change act, reduce the 100% to 60%. We are at 50% domestic, achieved by destroying cement, iron and steel, aluminium, fertiliser, and coal power stations. Now the Carbon dioxide is produced in China and India.
Sorry, Geoff, I understand what you say but can’t accept that they are “correct”, because it is absolutely clear that “net zero” is only achievable in the same way as China, alleged to be “on track” to achieve “net zero” whilst building a hundred new “Drax” sized power stations.
But whilst Greenpiss, Fiends of the Earth, BBC and HMG etc are more than happy to support this blatant nonsense, there is absolutely no way that the UK will be allowed to bullshit our way out of the trap that Miliband and then May have pushed us into.
Being a “bit” rational is no more on our agenda than the chambermaid might be able to claim to be only a “bit pregnant”.
The only way to get out of the trap is to repeal the Climate Changr Act 2008 and send Miliband, May and all the other perpetrators to a damp dungeon in The Tower.
Yes. Obviously, that won’t happen.
Prepare for an extremely bumpy landing.
I should have wrote ” They are actually legally correct……
Good eh? Anyone fool enough to follow the gravy train will go where the train goes – off the rails, sooner or later… ”Serves them right” Look where the wind is this now! See it ? NO? that’s right …… ”gone with the wind”
Listen to the Birds: The Heron knows best!.
And CO2 doesn’t affect the climate. Or, if it does, there’s not the ghost of a chance of checking the Keeling curve. So what a waste of resources.
“Meanwhile it’s yet another reason not to buy a heat pump.”
and a reason to refuse to have a smart meter until forced to do so, and then to paint the inside of your meter cupboard with (earthed) conducting paint.
Yes saighdear, one notes two and a bit gigawatts. Luckily demand is low at some 31 GW
DSR? What ever happened to the promise on P19 of the Net Zero Strategy that we will have electricity available “at the flick of a switch from abundant, cheap British renewables….”?
They claim that “a consumer will always have the option not to use a device in smart mode” meaning I expect that they will legislate that you must have a contract for either “smart mode” or “unsmart mode” and cannot switch between the two as and when necessary.
All of which will go out the window when rolling blackouts are implemented either through lack of generating power or because the local grid is overloaded.
I’m still of the mind that when my gas gets cut off or made prohibitively expensive (the current plan) I will be better off buying a few portable far infrared heaters than installing an ashp.
One of the NET ZERO nutters said recently that they didn,t like the name Net Zero .
So it has been suggested it is called “Controlling Release of Atmospheric Pollution ” , or Crap for short .
With smart meters & smart appliances, consumers have ceded all control to others
That’s the real purpose of Net Zero and electrification. It has absolutely nothing to do with CO2 emissions.
“Because we love you.”
Cutting off your heat protects you HOW?
Protects them from a large electricity bill perhaps?
Oh, my!
“We had to cut your heat off; it was going to cost you too much money.”
“Delivering a smart and secure electricity system.”
what, you mean like the one we used to have?
It would seem not smart is better!
“Beware anything smart.”
“Because we love you” – as in the MiniLove of 1984 (the renamed ministry of Police)?
I’ve pointed out before that the real reason they want to ban log-burners is that they can’t be remote controlled. And they just hate the idea that people are sitting in warm comfy houses but the parasite class isn’t getting a cut.
This story seems like supporting evidence.
The Smart Secure Electricity Systems Programme?
The programme won’t be smart, it won’t be secure, and it won’t have Electricity when you need it. But the system will program you, you can bet on that. 🙂
You have to wonder about the incompetent civil servants who write this drivel.
It reminds me of a couple of radio programmes I was recently listening to. The first involved James Dyson and the son of Frank Whittle discussing the invention and development of the jet engine. Whittle took his ideas to the civil servants in the MoD (or what it was in those days), who, in their infinite wisdom, would not support the development of the engine. Had they done so, jet planes would have been in operation at the outbreak of the war and the Battle of Britain would never have happened, saving who knows how many lives.
The second was about the boss of a company who got his staff to develop an App for covid in just a few days. The app was taken to the government (presumably the civil servants in charge) who dismissed the app as they were devloping their own app. Many months and billions of £s later the government app (a much inferior one) was ready. Again, many lives and billions of £s could have been saved, but for the incompetent civil servants.
It reminds me of Ronald Reagan: “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are ‘I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.'”
It would have been the Air Ministry at that time. It was a good job that Rolls Royce developed the Merlin engine with their own resources. Other areas were just as bad as we went into the war with cavalry tanks and infantry tanks.
My dad who ended up Master General of the Ordnance and Col CDT of the RoyalTank Regt always said we were under gunned in our tanks until the US Grant and the upgunned Sherman
The early infantry tanks like the Matilda had thick armour for the time that caused a lot of the German shells to bounce off but it was armed with a 2pdr peashooter itself where a 6pdr would have made a formidable opponent albeit a slow one. Yes, the Sherman’s gun was poor but putting the 17pdr gun in a modified turret meant it could take out anything but they were in short supply so it was 1 Firefly to 4 ordinaries in combat.
The Sherman was an infantry support tank. It’s 75mm gun was fine . . . for its intended role.
The problem with innovations is they not only have to be better, but they have to overcome the momentum of the status quo.
In 1988, Gamecock was called up to HQ in Delaware to sit for a presentation of a company trying to sell their invention to our company. Gamecock was the telecom manager for the corporation’s largest mfg site.
The invention was a device placed in the ear, that allowed communication through the ear canal. I was there because one of our plant areas was notorious for ridiculously loud operations. It was claimed this device would allow the operators to talk to each other. The inventors offered it at $3M.
Back at the plant site, I went to the area manager and described it to him. He had no interest whatsoever. He could see my surprise. He explained that they had been operating the area for decades, and had all sorts of hand signals, etc, such that they didn’t need anything. Talking with your co-workers would probably be better, but they already had it covered.
I contacted our lead in Delaware, and gave him the news. He too was surprised. He seemed not to even believe me. So I gave him the manager’s name and number, and that’s the last I heard of it.
Our corporation was not in the electronics or communications industry, so we passed on it. We could have been the original owners of what became “Bluetooth.” We didn’t because we had workarounds.
Very true. I remember when the bank I worked for evaluated email. None of is could see much of a use for it.
It not “incompetance” but a deliberate plan towards control and either communism or WEF feudalism.
I doubt that very much. Once adopted, jets took years to develop operationally. And like many inventions, other advances were required to make them effective. The RAF refused to move to cannons until gyro gun sights were invented for example, as air gunnery was so hard and so few pilots hit anything. So going much faster wasn’t going to help much there!
The Nazis got them operating in 1944 and they were very effective – to the extent that the RAF and USAF suffered massive losses following D-Day. By this time our aeroplanes were much inferior to the FW 190 and M 262.
Not really, Hox. P51 pilots liked to hang around German air bases waiting for returning 262s, always too low on fuel to maneuver. 262s were the future, but German resources would have been better spent elsewhere. Too little; too late.
“our aeroplanes were much inferior to the FW 190”
[citation needed]
“the RAF and USAF suffered massive losses following D-Day”
Ridiculously wrong. The Germans had no effective air force in the West by spring of ’44.
jets took years to develop operationally
Off Topic! As someone else wrote, the Germans fought WW2 with a range of weapons, including some futuristic weapons that were not developed until the 1950s (or later) e.g. V1 and V2
The Allies fought WW2 in Europe with a range of weapons, most of which were developed in the 1930s (or earlier). However, there were some crucial futuristic weapons where the Allied development was in advance of the Germans, e.g. radar. Allied use of computers was ahead of the Germans, particularly with Tommy Flowers’ “Colossus“.
An interesting and feasible “what-if” is a long range Spitfire to escort the USAAF on daylight bombimg raids over Germany in 1942, so Schweinfurt bearing factory is destroyed by multiple raids by early 1943, also German aviation industry and oil production is wrecked.
Speer wondered why the Allies didn’t target power plants. In all the rubble, they still had electricity.
The big problem for the Me262 was renowned aviation designer Adolf Hitler. His edicts hampered aircraft during the war one of which was an obsession with divebombing. Germany never had a heavy bomber – why? Four engined planes don’t make good dive bombers as the wings can’t take the load so they were stuck with medium twin-engined bombers throughout the war. And instead of having the Me262 as an all out fighter it was required to have a bombing role as well making it less effective.
Why would the Germans have needed a heavy bomber? They were involved with border wars.
Heavy bombers didn’t do anything for the Allies, except sweep the skies of German fighters.
Germans didn’t have powerful enough engines to make a four-engine bomber, mostly because of low octane fuel.
Your point is true, gezza. Hitler also screwed up the Ju88 by demanding dive-bombing capability.
Minibrain is at it again.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/05/04/labour-ed-miliband-plots-new-net-zero-crackdown-corporates/
Large companies are to post their carbon footprints and relate them to net zero climate targets. What with their diversity compliance etc I don’t know how much of their workforce will be left to actually make anything.
The comments on the article are great.
Should the darkness that is a Kneeler Flip Flop U-turn government descend on this country I wonder if we should open a book as to how soon his government is in a financial crisis of its own making as plan to screw money out of rich people drives them away, schools are in crisis as thousands of extra pupils from private schools move to them thanks to the VAT imposition, lots of tweaks to the VAT system – an evil EU created tax – will make everyone poorer and suppress what little growth there is.
You won’t know what’s happening. The BBC wil be reporting only “good” news and even the ONS will be cookng the figures.
I hope they just make stuff up and write it on the Govt forms. I’ve given up on all the Govt Bulls–t and just make up a guess for all govt paperwork. I’m not measuriong trivia for imbiciles.
He really wants to destroy the City and the Stock Exchange… and British industry. Bye bye jobs, and taxes that companies and workers provide.
Net Zero WILL be achieved, and I can tell you how.
In fact anyone who saw the recent Panorama programme on Carbon Credits knows how it will be done.
There is no need to actually reduce CO2 emissions to any great extent. All you have to do is set up organisations supposedly “protecting forests” in the 3rd world and buy carbon credits off them.
An absolute scam, but what did you expect ?
MikeHig: on an adjacent page the DT reported that businesses are pushing back against all the inclusivity and diversity crap theyt are forced into.
How can a rational person readily accept this nonsense if it’s made clear that there is no proof that humans are responsible for dangerous climate change?
Rational people don’t accept the nonsense, unfortunately the millions of gullible sheep do
Not only are humans not responsible for “dangerous climate change” but there isn’t any dangerous climate change. The climate may be changing a little bit but it’s just following cycles that have been in existence for thousands of years. It’s just that we’re noticing these cycles now that we have whole teams of people looking for them – and being paid handsomely for doing so
… following cycles that have been in existence for thousands of years
Indeed thousands of years, although to be pedantic the full timescale of climate change on Earth is billions of years.
Its increasingly obvious the only way this ends is with heads on pikes.
Switching off?
After 30 years of eye-watering subsidies, once again today, the entire fleet of 11,000 entirely-parasitic, demonstrably-useless, giant, industrial bird-mincers is struggling to provide the National Grid with 7%!
(Reaching the dizzying heights of 6.73% to be precise)
“In 2022, the wind didn’t blow enough or at all for 262 days. And in those 262 days, we would have had rolling blackouts, or a full blackout across the UK if it wasn’t for gas.”
Jon Butterworth, chief executive of National Gas
The climerati net zeroers don’t do facts or inconvenient truths – they are on a religious mission
Bring it on I say, as early as possible – the clowns in WEFminster won’t listen until a huge dollop of reality smacks them in the face
Well, that is a load of BUMF to read (although I only had time to read the first document) who wrote this rubbish, as I understand it, all (high demand) electrical loads will more or less have an individual smart meter, but for smaller loads,such as freezers and fridges there will be a slave contactor/solid state switch driven from the main smart meter. They will be switched on and off by a third party (Big Brother) using some external signalling. (cell phone, internet)
My first conclusion is it will never work, mainly due to hacking and bypassing the system, as long as power is reaching the house it can be accessed.
Options
Bypass the meter. Rewire your Heat pump/ BEV charger into the ring mains. They are good for 7kW,
Faraday cage around the meters
Hackers write defeat programs.
I suppose the plus point of imposing government controlled electricity availability, is that it should totally kill the sale of heat pumps and BEVs, who in their right mind is going to voluntarily spend money on something that may not even work when needed.
The maximum energy that a single phase domestic supply can give is 24kW (assume 100A fuse) however fuses have a derating and 0.8 is typical so 19kW.
dedicated BEV is 21kW Heat pump is 5kW so 26kW needed plus all the rest of appliances. Now local distribution wiring cannot supply every home at this level at the same time, diversity comes in, assumes that the load is spread in each home over the day. In fact the OFGEM cap assumes 8 kWh as the daily use, that is 8kW for one hour per day per house or 1kW for 8 hours. So not only can we not generate enough and even if we could the Grid and local distribution cannot handle that power, so not only more pylons but every street dug up and much larger cables.
So the reason for all this crap is to keep net zero alive, a much more practical solution is to scrap net zero and stick with gas and oil
A 22kW charger is 3-phase 440 volt supply. It’s actually a 7kW/30A charger attached to each phase.
OK, so it is even worse, How much does it cost to get 3 phase into a domestic residence, I suppose you could enter a pact with your neighbors to link up a shared 3 phase supply! This leads me to question on how to get the V2G (vehicle to grid, sucking the power out of your BEV) to phase balance with individual single phase charging systems, the Neutral wire is generally thinner than the phase wires, it is supposed to have no current flow at all.
Actually it will all be switched off by China when war breaks out.
Geoff, the reality is that up to 200 homes are connected to single phase circuits which are only designed to handle 300kW. Maximum simultaneous load is only 1.5 kW. Normally this isn’t a problem as simultaneous load averages out…..but it certainly will not be the case for heat pumps let alone BEV.
The politicians have no possible excuse for not knowing about this problem. Electrical engineering professor Steve Broderick (Southampton University) spelled it out in written evidence to parliament.
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/82722/pdf/
These politicians are expressives. As defined by Dr David Merrill (1981) and and taught by Peter Urs Bender. Their ideas are often impractical. Analyticals – like Gamecock – think they are stupid.
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2013/05/13/the-4-social-styles/
Thanks Ray for the clarification and Steve Brodericks report. As the report states the analysis is just BEVs and heat pumps are not considered. It is fairly obvious if you introduce the 5kW taken by a heat pump, probably for most of the day in winter, turning off heat pumps remotely without considering the circumstances of the user is going to cause serious hardship. The concept of reliable and affordable electricity supply is just lost in this crazy quest to be first country achieving net zero.
As an aside I was disappointed at the increase in green councilors in the local election, it goes to show the brainwashing that the MSM, particularly the BBC are participating in, is unfortunately working.
I graduated in electrical engineering1970, after the first year of general things, maths, physics, materials, power generation and distribution was about 15% of the syllabus. I went into magnetic manufacturing, computer tape readers and then domestic audio Finally 25 years in component manufacturing (miniature fuses) my last 6 years were as a consultant helping European companies transfer production to China.
It seems that the majority of the new ‘Green’ councillors only recognise green when it appears as a stripe on flag alongside white and black stripes and a red triangle. The Green Party are getting desperate now it would seem. Quite how these new councillors will see their alphabetty-spaghetti gender policies remains to be seen.
Ideologically sound and politically correct. ( Who said that, Lenin?)
It saves time for the ‘powers that be’ to publish the same opinions. They can cut down on employees and save money.
End game.
Whatever the plans are, rest assured that ‘we’ are not in them.
Smart meters will allow ALL the electricity to be turned off to any house that the Govt deems to be using “too much”.
This has always been the Govt’s agenda I’m pushing smart meters onto us. All the guff about allowing us to save money is just propaganda to soften us up.
I imagine “wrongthink” could be the cause of a power cutoff.
“Brewing tea while Tory.”
Covid proved there are people in government right now who would do such.
But in order to do so the ‘smart’ meter must have a relay operated switch that might just, you know, develop a fault. Also given that nobody ever comes to read your meter anymore nobody would see if you bypassed it at the times the gauleiters have stopped your supply.
A Chinese company has just set a new efficiency record for a diesel engine of 53.09%. Western companies are not able to fund research and development on diesel engines having pissed huge sums away on battery vehicles few people want to buy.
Interesting – do you have a good link or know what type of applications this engine could be used for? Is it low RPM diesel like used for ships or electricity generation & would it work for road vehicles? What fuel can it burn as it would be interesting if someone found a way to get a diesel engine to burn coal or at coal oil fuel mixture.
Nature switches off world’s largest floating solar “farm”
World’s largest floating solar plant damaged by severe storm in India
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/worlds-largest-floating-solar-plant-220000440.html#:~:text=In%20India's%20state%20of%20Madhya,damaged%20solar%20panels%2C%20disrupting%20operations.
Was “floating” optimistic?
Green PR people are the European equivalent of witch doctors
It looks like zero wind across Europe until midday Thursday. (Met Office isobar maps). Anyone able to go further?
still under 2 gigawatts