Nonstop Rain In 2034, Say Weather Attribution Models
By Paul Homewood
h/t Patsy Lacey
These weather attribution scamsters are now just making it up as they go along:
It’s November 2034 and it has been raining for a week straight. The downpours are heavier than Britain has ever known, and a supercell storm is tearing up the southwest. The river banks have flooded across the Pennines again and the River Thames is seeping onto the pavements and into homes across the capital. The following month, there is no respite from the storms. The heavy, monsoon-like rain continues.
This is the future of UK weather, according to a new study by the World Weather Attribution group. Every five years, the UK will experience extreme rainfall that is 20 per cent wetter than we are used to. One scientist in the study, Dr Mark McCarthy, called these future downpours “neve-rending”.
Bill McGuire, a professor of Geophysical and Climate Hazards at University College London (UCL) and author of Hothouse Earth: An Inhabitant’s Guide, believes that persistent heavy rains will be “the signature precipitation of the winter” of the future.
Prof McGuire said: “In particular, there will be an increase in so-called ‘atmospheric river’ conditions, whereby heavy rain will continue non-stop for days over the same areas.”
For those who might have hoped that global warming would create a hotter Britain – it might seem unintuitive (and perhaps frustrating) that a hotter climate will also mean a wetter one.
“Warmer air can hold more water in the form of vapour, which feeds into increased precipitation,” McGuire explains. Last year, the global average temperature rose around 1.5°C compared to pre-industrial times, and it is only set to worsen: “For every one-degree rise in global temperature, the water-holding capacity of the atmosphere increases by 7 per cent,” he adds.
Our future wet weather won’t just be seasonal, although our summers will still be drier on average than they are now. “In summer, shorter-lived torrential rainfall and hail are more likely, associated with convective storms [severe local storms] that develop when temperatures are high,” says McGuire.
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/constant-rain-2034-climate-scientist-3073979
Even under his own theory, the claim is balderdash. He says that a 1C temperature rise means the water holding capacity of the atmosphere increases by 7%. Therefore in the last 20 years, that would imply a rise in rainfall of about 3% – over an average winter, this accounts for an extra 7mm, an amount which would not even be noticed.
But we don’t need his weather attribution models, do we, because we have actual real world data.
Let’s take Oxford, for instance, as McGuire has specifically mentioned Thames floods. According to ECA&D, there has been very little trend in winter-half rainfall since 1900. The slight rise is entirely due to fewer unusually dry winters.
Although 2013/14 stands out, there has been nothing exceptional about any other winter in the last couple of decades. The database only runs to 2020, and it is certainly true that we have just had a freak winter with 590mm of rain between October and March at Oxford. But one winter is not climate.
If McGuire’s theory was correct, we would surely have seen definite evidence of winters becoming wetter throughout the period since 1900, during which we have supposedly had 1.5C of warming.
https://www.ecad.eu/indicesextremes/index.php
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We can look at other indicators too. There is no upward trend, for instance, in the number of raindays.
And the average rainfall/rainday shows no upward trend either:
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And there is no evidence either that winter rainfall is becoming more extreme:
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In short, the actual data completely contradicts McGuire’s computer modelling.
Finally, let’s take a quick look at summer. This is what McGuire claims:
“In summer, shorter-lived torrential rainfall and hail are more likely, associated with convective storms [severe local storms] that develop when temperatures are high,”
But again the data since 1900 totally contradicts this:
Sadly we live in a world where computer models seem to carry more weight than actual data.
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Just like 1816, the year without a summer.
That rain-sodden summer was caused by volcanic cooling, not warming. But I expect the miracle molecule can achieve any result it likes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
Ralph
And yet in 1817 the Royal Society told the Admiralty that the Arctic was inexplicably warm and ripe for exploration. A grant application probably.
‘It will without doubt have come to your Lordships’ knowledge that a considerable change of climate, inexplicable at present to us, must have taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the cold that has for centuries past enclosed the seas in the high northern latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been during the last two years, greatly abated.’
President of the Royal Society to the Admiralty, 20th November, 1817
We mustn’t rain on his parade, it would only encourage him.
“….. .rain will continue non-stop for days over the same areas.”
Welcome to Seattle!
Professor of Climate Hazards! Whatever next.
It never fails to amaze me how “Climate Scientists” can solemnly assure us what the weather is going to be doing in ten, twenty, fifty or whatever years and can’t tell us with any degree of accuracy what it will be like at weekend.
I am waiting for a repetition of the 1862 Great California Flood. That will be an incontrovertible proof that we have crossed a tipping point.
I’ve had this argument before. What they say is that it’s because we don’t understand the difference between weather and climate. I think that’s rubbish and it’s often the case that they themselves don’t understand the difference.
Precisely!
Spot on; apparently “climate” is an average of the weather over a 10 year period. So to make a future climate prediction, they must have 10 years of future weather forecasts; however at the same time they tell us that any weather forecast more than a few days out is rubbish, which tells us everything about “the models”. More confusingly they told us that “the science is settled”; so what happened to our promised Mediterranean climate and the need for drought resistant plants?
They wrote:
Every five years, the UK will experience extreme rainfall that is 20 per cent wetter than we are used to.
That is well inside the extremes over the past 120 years!
That prediction is well inside likely extremes because it is well inside past extremes.
Every five years the UK will experience extreme rainfall that is 20 per cent dryer than we are used to because that is also well inside past extremes.
At the weekend? Try at the start of the day. Sometimes a look at the radar shows the forecast to be complete rubbish.
The morning forecasts for the last 3 days have promised us plenty of rain in our corner of NE Wales with showers lasting much of the day. We had a couple of ten to fifteen minutes of light rain.
I feel cheated 🙂
I can tell you that winter 2030 will be colder than summer 2030 with a 90-99% probability of being right. But I have a far lower probability of forecasting whether Wednesday thus week will be warmer than Tuesday.
But can you tell me with a 90-99% probability whether the average temperature of summers 2030 – 2040 will be higher than the average temperature of summers 2010 – 2020, because that’s what the Met orifice are claiming they can do.
Surely the report should begin “Once upon a time” but I’m sure the ending wouldn’t be “And they all lived happily ever after “
He’s a nutjob, is he related to Jim Dale by any chance? 😂
Rishi Sunak showed wise foresight in getting into practice for the next decade’s rain by making his election announcement in such conditions.
His gift of forecasting weather should help his weather forecasting job prospects for after the 4th July.
He could and should dispense with computer modelling, so unreliable as repeatedly demonstrated by Prof Neil Ferguson and the UN climate committees.
It was going to be drought last week.
Every five years, the UK will experience extreme rainfall that is 20 per cent wetter than we are used to. One scientist in the study, Dr Mark McCarthy, called these future downpours “never-ending”.
*Every five years* isn’t “never-ending”. But as long as it sounds miserable, job done.
I do like that’s it’s every five years!
I live in Wayells, how would I notice?
You won’t be able to see The Mumbles for a few minutes longer than usual.
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I thought attribution studies were used to attribute causes to events which had already occurred not events in the future.
He’s 70 years old. May not be around to discuss his forecast in 2034. There’s a surprise. Meanwhile, anyone taking him seriously should probably be investing in all-weather, high ground clearance vehicles. Oh! Hang on….
Not a lot of change in reality. 201 rain days per year in Glasgow. 193 in Blackpool, Belfast 223.
We need record each and every one of these claims and mail the claimants that they WILL be contacted at the date they claim their prediction will come true.
The bookies like a good bet. I wonder what odds they will give!
what about all the many erroneous predictions made in the past regarding climate that never came to pass. They are let off and the same doom predictors are at it again
Sadly John, I have to agree.
Perhaps all of us on this site should build a list of all the failed predictions of catastrophic climate change over the past 30 years or more, together with the authors of the claim. We can have it ready for when the mad Milliband tries to put forward even more ridiculous claims enabling us to challenge him with and demand his response to the many failed predictions of theses silly people.
It doesn’t really matter, it’s all about maintaining the narrative and keeping it in the public consciousness. For people to accept policy change they need to “believe” and constant drip feed makes fiction seem fact.
Correct
Reply to George Lawson. It’s already been done. Just visit the ‘Extinction Clock’ website – eye popping!
Tony Heller has some very pertinent short videos:
https://realclimatescience.com/#gsc.tab=0
Good old ” Professor ” ( aren’t they all professors these days , the members of the academic community ? ) McGuire . How long is it now since all the ” experts ” were telling us to dig up our gardens and replace everything with cactus and gravel , due to the eternal droughts that would constitute our summers as a result of Climageddon ?
Question for the Green Taliban: What causes the so called heavier rain now? Answer: All the windmills world wide draw the moisture from around every wind farm and blow the moisture to atmosphere creating wet conditions & then the solar farms heat the air and more moisture rises into the atmosphere. Not only are these Green Taliban destroying the atmosphere they want to deforest the world for bio-fuel to generate power.
When the wind turbine is running the tip passes the ground circa 350KPH, wipes out birds and wildlife and the off-shore units destroy maritime mammals.
I’m quite confused by this extra rain, surely there’s a finite amount of H2o on the planet, so where does the extra come from?
just watched ‘Blade Runner’ too often.
And had a few dreams of electric sheep because he probably isn’t really a human being!
Maybe I’m missing something here, but the climate zeolots’ claim that warmer air holds more water vapour and therefore it’ll rain a lot more doesn’t seem to me to hold water (to coin a phrase..)
If the warmer air holds more water, why does it then drop it out again as rain?
Exactly. For the additional moisture to be released, the air must become as cold as it becomes now, surely?
While the narrator is a bit bananas… the subject seems real enough as in :
Computer weather model (waves actually) melts down in public
If they are so confident of all this rain, then it may be time to build up fleet of water tankers and ship the water to North Africa where it is desperately needed. Alternatively construct large pipelines to do the job as these may be more cost-effective. In addition large umbrella structures similar to football stadiums would be required over all major cities to prevent flooding of all the shops and restaurants where people could shelter and drink their coffee.They need to put some thought into all of this as I have, and indeed freely given of my time . .
“ship the water to North Africa” No need for ships, just tow some icebergs there!
https://geographical.co.uk/science-environment/iceberg-towing-a-bizarre-solution-to-the-freshwater-crisis
Towing icebergs to the Arabian Peninsula was an idea first seriously floated at Iowa State University on 2 October 1977. Prince Mohammed bin Faisal Al Saud of Saudi Arabia had just arrived and on the steps outside, an iceberg was waiting for him. Four days earlier, some 4,800 kilometres away, he’d hired a helicopter and a team of scuba divers to extract a one-tonne iceberg from the Portage Glacier at Point Barrow, Alaska. From there it was flown to Anchorage airport and on to Minneapolis by commercial airline. Finally, a refrigerated truck brought it to the university, where it became the guest of honour at the First International Conference and Workshops on Iceberg Utilization for Fresh Water Production, Weather Modification, and Other Applications.
On the plus side- no need for the Water Monopolies to announce a hosepipe ban.
As ever with any “computer model”, feed in the right info and you will get the output you want- GIGO, but note- not one computer has ever stood up to the test of reality- as any General will tell you, battle plans always change the moment you start to use them, the difference with Climate Cultists is that todays failure is always tomorrows definitely going to happen, just 10x worse.
Climate change makes water wetter.
Half term so 2 young grandchildren with us. Put on children’s newsround (BBC) and first item was a sobstory from a farm with a mud problem.Cause? to quote the presenter “climate change making rainfall 22% wetter”. Clearly getting the message into susceptible minds as early as possible.
Scare ’em early, then keep ’em scared. Government finds scared people very easy to control.
Add child abuse to BBC crime list.
Shouldn’t we immediately start constructing hydro power dams?
World Weather Attribution Group are just Grantham paid stooges. They have no credibility and should just be ignored.
No geoff they should be lined up against a wall and………
Willis has put up a good article about this nonsense at WUWT. These lads are lying their asses off for sure given the contradicting real world data.
Yes, his analysis shows that the models cannot hindcast competently, differing massively from the observational records, so their “forecasts” are worthless.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/05/27/it-gets-rainier/
There’s a practice this year.
Britain braces for one of the wettest summers on record as the Met Office ‘warns the Government 50 days of rain is possible over holiday period’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13465553/Britain-braces-one-wettest-summers-record-Met-Office-warns-Government-50-days-rain-possible-holiday-period.html
Seriously? Their medium range forecasts have virtually no skill. And the article above says we will get drier summers!
Every eventuality covered.
This might interest you as an example of how daft using UK wide “averaging.” From that article
“It comes after the Met Office revealed April was the sixth wettest since records dating to 1836”
In reality in England it ranked only the 15th wettest, in Wales it was 13th and in Northern Ireland it was 25th. However, in Scotland it was perversely relatively dry as only the 4th wettest.
So how did they work out this “UK” average? Voodoo?
‘in Scotland it was perversely relatively dry as only the 4th wettest’
Often a clue that the jetstream was tracking further south than usual, i.e. over England & Wales. Not what attributionists want to talk about.
Oldbrew
I don’t know if this is relevant but Greenland has had low precipitation most of the year
http://polarportal.dk/en/greenland/surface-conditions/
When that I was and a little tiny boy,
With hey, ho, the wind and the rain,
A foolish thing was but a toy,
For the rain it raineth every day
Shakespeare
Twelth Night
Cica 1600
Even more excuse for water companies to flush sewage down the rivers, I mean, all that extra water will have it on the beaches in no time!
It was not all that long ago that the BBC’s gardening programmes were all about aridity and the adoption of Mediterranean garden schemes. Water butts were absolutely de rigueur. Excessive wetness is a narrative that water companies might want to employ to allow for their demonstrable incompetence, their lack of foresight. Planners also, none more so than the government, pressing constantly for more house building/land use, where we are not sure that the pressures on local councils to construct may in fact be range wars where the apparent solving of the local problem only shifts it to adjacent authorities. Water is a vital resource and elsewhere people are actually dying for it. The forces behind the perceived problem the competition stimulates between over-powerful, public entities and their rightness created the flooding of the Somerset Levels.
This vying for accolades from the central state, gives an excellent impetus to fraud which is already wrecking, subverting science and lends itself to a scramble for preferment, access to government coffers (which the energy suppliers are already mining; they are now Quangos, extra favoured entities. Factories of determinism, consumed by the hunt for the Grail, the alchemy of ‘there is gold in lead’).
Thanks to actual engineering and wisdom, millions of acres of the east of England were recovered for high yield food production by Dutch drainage engineers who demonstrated the scale of projects required to facilitate beneficial outcomes.
The horror stories about future climate never seem to relate to past trends. Unless a subset of the data is carefully chosen and manipulated. It is always suddenly going to happen in the near future – usually the next ten years. A sudden sea level rise (no evidence at all so far), a sudden huge rise in fires, droughts (and floods) and resulting mass starvation and migration etc. Which is odd as we have been hearing these horror stories about imminent catastrophe for at least fifty years and they didn’t happen! Instead of reviewing their forecasting methods they just double down on the next ten years being even worse than their previously wrong forecast.
Follow the money!
Hotter air can hold more moisture. OK. I get it. So that’s why it rains in the Sahara all the time. Good thing there was a scientist around to explain it to me.
Hotter air can hold more moisture.
Til it rains. Then, somehow, it can’t hold it anymore.
Goodness. Could end up being as wet here as the South of France. Or Sicily.
I think they’ve been watching “Blade Runner,” mistaking it for a climate prediction…
Observe that Sharknado Prophesy scientist impersonators are never named. Compare petitionproject.org