Neatishead
By Paul Homewood
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/uk-synoptic-and-climate-stations
I mentioned the Met Office station at Neatishead the other day, which had set the highest temperature in the UK one day last week.
Ray Sanders has found out that it has only been operational since December 2022, and has been trying to find out its WMO classification. The Met Office has steadfastly refused, asking him why he wants to know.
Such an arrogant attitude from a publicly funded organisation is utterly unacceptable, and one can only wonder what they are trying to hide. Ray has now submitted an official FOI, which they cannot legitimately refuse.
We know that they have been stung by the Daily Sceptic’s exposure of their temperature station network, which is largely reliant on low quality sites, which the WMO says should not be used for climatological purposes.
Meanwhile Dave Ward has tracked the location given by the Met Office to the edge of a cold-war radar station, now the home of an RAF museum:
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https://www.radarmuseum.co.uk/
We cannot be sure of the exact location, as the Met Office only give it to three decimal places. It would be interesting to find out the exact location.
NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
The parallels between the Met and Post Offices are hard to ignore
Both heavily soiled in left wing ideology
Perhaps more than that – the utter refusal of many organisations to admit that they COULD be in error; yes, the Post Office, and Fujitsu it seems –
And yet where is the accountability.
Vennels has lost her damery, but in none of these cases, so far as I have seen, has a responsible person – Politician, Civil Servant or Quango-naut – been properly demoted, or lost [part of] their pension, let alone prosecuted. Maybe the Post Office-Horizon crime will end that run … but how many more need something like a ten-year sentence – at least pour encourager les autres!?
Auto – angry – yes, about the accumulation of these scandals with nothing done. Yet our Civil Service is the finest in the World, Rolls-Royce minds, we’re assured….
It is government. It goes back to the first government. Read about any military campaign since say 1500 and you will see incompetence, greed, corruption, vanity, then cover-ups and lies. I read recently about the Zulu wars in South Afruca and the initial disasters, but what was striking was how the general in charge then launched a huge campaign of lies and disinformation to shift the blame. Same with numerous naval expeditions. The Irish Potato Famine was made far worse by incompetence.
The WMO classification is classified.
Only because it’s unfit for purpose – the MO temperature stations are to accurate, scientific data, what an ashtray is to the motorbike
Met Office: We can’t tell you that.
Enquirer: Why not?
Met Office: We can’t tell you that either. Next!
I should be most grateful to receive the email address so that I may send Paul any interesting articles that come my way.
Thank you in advance.
Obfuscation is strong with the Fret Office – data tweaking, engineeringly incompetent temperature stations, alarmist shill staff etc etc, all part of the ever more visible AGW hoax
The google earth imagery is dated 18 June 2023 so it should be visible.
If they report the location rounded to 3 DP then it would have to be in the range:
52.7135 – 52.7144999
1.4725 – 1.473999
Which is a pretty small circle which means it would easily be seen on the google earth image no further than the left of the buildings immediately left of the location pin and no further than about a quarter of the way to the brown patch to the right
TS…I notice what looks like a very large Aircon unit on the roof of the museum about where you suggest it should be….
I looked in Google Earth Pro at the current imagery June 2023 and the previous one which is very clear and 2021.
In the satellite image at the top of the post in the middle of the grass area north of the blue RAF icon and about halfway to the dome there is a white dot on the boundary between the brown and the green grass. That dot is not present in the 2021 Google Earth image.
If you are on Google Earth its at:
52.7138 1.4711
Got it, TS! Good spot. And on better resolution what I thought was aircon looks more like crumbling concrete.
Not sure if that dot is anything. If you check the second photo on the linked news article Norfolk News below in the thread thre is nothing on the grass. The article is dated 27th January 2023 and the downloaded pictures have 21 January 2023 in the header.
So it may be nothing. Someone left there football on the grass?
This is what a typical Met Office site would look like (this one is Manston – a good site)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3467869,1.335026,3a,37.5y,146.62h,90.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szNG3iZi4QtpRW_j9lr7O1g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?coh=205409&entry=ttu
They would normally be much easier to spot from google aerial images and I really cannot identify one at the Neatishead site or its environs.
The readings are most likely taken in Richard Betts’ airing cupboard at his house outside Exeter.
There’s a better image in the North Norfolk News, taken from a drone in Jan 2023. Here’s a link: Stunning view of new ‘golf ball’ radar dome revealed | North Norfolk News
I can’t pinpoint a weather station there myself but maybe someone else can.
The article gives the name of the photographer/drone operator too, so he may have even more useful pics.
If its within the perimeter of the station it would have to be in the lower right corner of the second photo on that linked page. Around the location of the larger building with the ugly deteriorated roof. And seems difficult from the coordinates to put it as far up on the right boundary as the smaller bright white building.
Its a mystery
I copied it and saved it to disc, allowing me to magnify it, but I still can’t see likely weather kit. Maybe it isn’t within the museum/radar facility’s boundary. Or maybe I’m not looking for the right thing/s. The photographer/drone operator should still have high res images though.
Interested readers may visit the radar museum there. There is (or was) the chance to go down into the nuclear bunker as well (under the bungalow I believe). I’ve been to the site but I’m afraid I wasn’t paying attention to the weather station, if they had one then.
asking him why he wants to know.
As always, it’s the attempt to conceal that rings alarm bells.
“Why do you want to know?”
“Because you are obviously hiding something.”
Blair regretted introducing the FOI legislation, so it’s probably a good piece of legislation.
Met.O: “Why do you want to know?”
Answer: “Why do you want to know why I want to know?”
Has anyone published the list of Met Office weather station classifications anywhere?
Allan I have that list …..BUT….under the MO release terms I am not allowed to publish it. However, I am allowed to “share it” with others if they “personally ask” providing I record who I have “shared it” with. So here is my email address
ray.m.sanders1956@gmail.com
If you ask I can share the file with you (or anyone else who asks) as long as they are happy I record their request and details.
Alternatively. I started my working career as a musician in Canterbury a long time ago so if you really want to “Share it” here is my best version!
Also Mike Mann’s approach. “Why would I give you my data so you can poke holes in it?”
Try calling the museum: it opens at 10 a.m. tomorrow.
01692 631485
Tried that, they wouldn’t/couldn’t say.
Perhaps they have a “roaming thermometer.” It would be like “Tornado Hunters.” “Urgent…someone spotted sweating behind the bike sheds at Stretchford Comprehensive.” “I’m on it. On my way…wow! 35.4 C!!!”
My father was the vicar of Neatishead village in the fifties (Cold War). We had full view of the Radar installation. It had been part of the WWII Radar defence system and later very important in the Cold War. In 2006 when technology moved on the station was closed. It is now a very interesting museum with opportunities for visitors to hear presentations about Britain’s Air defence system during the Cold War from retired servicemen who served there. The site was militarily disabled and is now maintained by local people. A ‘golf ball’ unit was assembled there from its site at Trimingham because of threats from coastal erosion. Details are hard to come by and probably not for pubic consumption. The ‘Golf Ball’ appears to be separate from the main museum buildings and there is no Stevenson Screen in the area accessible to the general public. There are no areas of open concrete and no flying aircraft to warm the air but who collects the data for Public purposes?
My father was the vicar of Neatishead village in the fifties (Cold War). We had full view of the Radar installation. It had been part of the WWII Radar defence system and later very important in the Cold War. In 2006 when technology moved on the station was closed. It is now a very interesting museum with opportunities for visitors to hear presentations about Britain’s Air defence system during the Cold War from retired servicemen who served there. The site was militarily disabled and is now maintained by local people. A ‘golf ball’ unit was assembled there from its site at Trimingham because of threats from coastal erosion. Details are hard to come by and probably not for pubic consumption. The ‘Golf Ball’ appears to be separate from the main museum buildings and there is no Stevenson Screen in the area accessible to the general public. There are no areas of open concrete and no flying aircraft to warm the air but who collects the data for Public purposes?
I used to know the Met Office Station at Faversham fairly well. At the time it recorded the hottest day it had a large Leylandii (conifer) windbreak around 50 yards away on the western side
I know the Faversham station extremely well, and at the time of the “record” (ho,ho,ho) a few local rascals wheeled pallets of paving setts (for local paving work) around the screened area for a bit of a laugh. It was a manual station so the readings were not taken until the next day, before then the pallets were taken away.
This is why the “record” was way out of kilter with immediate local stations AND recorded the high much later in the day than the previous high at Gravesend (now closed and even more of a ridiculous site with the cooling exhaust of the Thames Radar for very close company – like about 2 metres away!)
Philip Eden (then head of the Royal Meteorological Society) disputed the “record” so much so that the RMS held a formal investigation. They found many issues (including the Kew Gardens Site being wrongly height set but that’s a separate issue!) and concluded the Faversham site record was not reliable and could not rule out actions by “persons unknown”
Despite the obvious facts that the Faversham “record” was bogus it was accepted by the Met Office who were desperate to deflect from the fact that the previous “record” had been set adjacent to a barbecue, by the bandstand during the annual fete in Montpellier Gardens in Cheltenham 1990 and was even more bogus.
The Met Office has been infiltrated by politically motivated activists. They have no scientific credibility whatsoever.
The museum’s phone number is 01692 631485 . You could always try giving them a ring.
You really would think it is that simple…..it should be. Trust me, they don’t know either. You will struggle to believe the lengths I have gone to attempting to verify information. It is not that simple!
Clearly they should use what3words locations
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I have just forwarded to Paul an email from the Met Office that actually admits stations that DO NOT EXIST are posting daily figures and monthly figures on their website here.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/historic-station-data
I quote
“The Lowestoft Station was closed in 2010 and all of the data from that link (excluding rainfall) is estimated after the closure date.”
Check it out yourself. I am in too much shock to quote 1984 but someone probably can!
Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.
It couldn’t be more perfect!
I’ve read that somewhere before.
About 40years ago?
Great work Ray.
You couldn’t make it up, bit they can.
What possible point can there be to “estimate” such data? And do they then use it for anything? I think of myself as deeply cynical/sceptical but I am quite shocked by this,.
And do they then use it for anything?
And at what point does the estimating cease? Should all Met Office data now be marked with “May contain estimates” ?
So the Met Office records are made up of:
What does the temperature record look like if we exclude all of these? I have seen similar records for the US which use only rural, long-established sites and which show no long-term warming.
Steve goddard has documented the same “estimation” game with the US records, but they are even worse because they have also used them to infill historic records going back to 1900. I looked at some of the station data myself about 6 years ago and there were “E”s all over the records, sometimes for decades.
So the Met are just doing “best practice” used by the Yanks.
Regarding number 2. You will be astonished by how many are significantly contaminated by extraneous heat. I am in a lengthy process of analysing the data but to put you in the picture, it is quite common to find official sites in Walled kitchen gardens deliberately designed to artificially increase temperatures. Similarly they are often located by electricity substations, air cooling exhaust units, sewage treatment plants, radar stations you name it.
As it currently stands I doubt they have 20 good quality sites in the entire UK. Conversely 50 years ago they probably had over 200!
The BBC programme about the Jetstream a force of nature, that until the last twelve months may as well have not existed, now apparently is a sinister phenomenon pressaging the end of the world as we know it, replete with a back story of its composition being that of CO2. The answer, even more capital expenditure on ever larger computers heading for Exeter so that even more fanciful models can be derived further ensuring the necessity for a totally indulged department. The glib association of CO2 and the Jetstream from after thought to totally owned responsible element is wondrous to behold. Perhaps Jim Dale, the meteorologist who wants climate change denialists prosecuted, that sweaty little chap who seems to live in his own own heat wave, best exemplifies the dodge, a fevered swing towards irrationality, when he can step outside his day job to express an ‘opinion’ which his inclinations would deny anyone else to deduce for themselves. The BBC in an age of dudgeon concerning no-platforming, is the prime example of that infraction and could teach our universities a thing or two about denial and the confinement of discussion, the rerun of Galileo versus the Pope. The Jetstream, a force of nature now recruited as a certainty, an originator of woes, totally beyond the influence of man, rather neatly sums-up the Canute-like stance against weather that only borderline derangement can affirm.
Season two: Polar Vortex!
OT…
Where’s the sharpened wooden stakes, garlic and Holy Water?
Just look a who’s out romping about in Nature…..
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-01587-3
John Cook
Naomi Oreskes
Stephan Lewandowsky
– all authors in one article!