DESNZ Admit–We Will Need 50GW Of CCGT In 2035
By Paul Homewood
You will no doubt recall the exchange of letters with Claire Coutinho a few weeks ago, which I organised with the help of one of her constituents.
The letters concerned her Government’s decarbonisation policies, and how they were putting our electricity grid at risk.
This was the second letter we sent a month ago:
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Many thanks for your reply concerning Net Zero policy.
I appreciate the Government has many ambitious low carbon plans for 2050, which you list. However, none appear to offer a solution to the catastrophic problems facing us during the 2030s.
To lay it out in simple terms, according to the National Grid’s Future Energy Scenarios, peak demand for electricity will be about 100 GW in 2035. We will probably have about 10 GW of dispatchable capacity (nuclear, biomass and hydro) – this assumes that all unabated gas power is shut down.
Even with 20 GW of interconnectors, which we most certainly cannot depend on, we will be woefully short of electricity when wind and solar power is at low levels.
You plan on 5 GW of new unabated gas, but clearly this will be nowhere enough. We will likely need ten times as much. Building new gas power plants incorporating carbon capture may be a solution, but I see no plans to do so in the time scale we are looking at, ie the mid 2030s. In any event, carbon capture adds significantly to the cost of electricity, and increases the amount of gas needed to produce each unit of electricity. Are you happy to see energy bills rising as a consequence?
The other plans you mention are currently far too small to make any difference, and will certainly not be ready in any scale by 2035.
Low carbon hydrogen, for instance, will need tens of billions spending on a whole new infrastructure – electrolysers, distribution networks, seasonal storage and hydrogen burning power stations. The new batch of projects outlined will only supply about 0.1% of the UK’s annual gas consumption, and are not grid-scale solutions.
On top of that, there simply won’t be enough wind/solar power in your plans to produce the hydrogen anyway. And if that is not enough, the contract price you have agreed for the next batch of hydrogen projects is ten times that of natural gas. Are you prepared to see household energy bills rocket to pay for these subsidies?
Similarly tidal and geothermal are extremely expensive, and the 106 MW currently procured is a tiny amount. While these technologies may bear fruit in thirty years’ time, we clearly cannot rely on them making any difference in the next decade.
You mention 35 GW of battery storage, but typically such batteries can only store enough for an hour’s use. Plainly these will be useless when we go days on end with little wind power.
So there you have it! We are staring at a gigantic black hole in our potential electricity supply come 2035.
I can only see one solution – begin construction now on a fleet of new CCGT plants, if necessary made CCS ready. (Bear in mind, CCS is still not a proven technology at scale). It will need to be at least 50 GW. In addition the current fleet needs to be contracted for at least 15 years, to provide standby capacity.
Evidently this is not part of your government’s plans. In which case, could you please explain how your plans will avoid the blackouts which appear inevitable?
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.We have now received this reply from DESNZ:
This is an extraordinary admission!
They are now accepting that everything we said was correct. It is simply impossible to totally decarbonise Britain’s grid by 2035.
Whatever technologies we may have in place in thirty years time, there is no way any will be available at scale by 2035, when supposedly the grid will be decarbonised.
Unless we place total reliance on interconnectors, we will most certainly need at least 50GW of dispatchable power, most of which will have to be gas. I would still argue that we will need even more if EVs and heat pumps are rolled out at scale.
But this is the first time I have seen any official admission of this.
And the question arises – is Claire Coutinho even aware of this issue, and if so why did not she mention it in her initial letter.
We currently have about 30GW of CCGT, but some of the older plants will likely have shut by 2035, particularly given they are no longer economic in the face of heavily subsidised renewables. Timera reckon that 7GW could be gone by 2030.
And nobody is going to build new plant, when they know the government of the day will shut it down a few years later.
It is clearer than ever that we now need an emergency programme to build at least 30GW of new CCGT, as well as guaranteeing at least 15 years of operation/capacity market payments to all existing plants.
BTW – if anybody is unlucky enough to be Ed Miliband’s constituent, would they like to write a similar letter to him after the election?
You won’t see this admission of reality in the MSM. I suggest letters to the main newspapers and MSM quoting this official letter.
They won’t print, it’s off narrative
There are journalists (e.g.Telegraph, Spectator) who would publish this information.
So what is going on, why are we going for solar and wind? Why hydrogen and carbon capture? Just scrap all the green crap and build nuclear and gas generation. It will be cheaper and dispatchable.
I’m with you Geoff
As am I.
Yep, that’s the idea Geoff. Show that all the alternatives are difficult and expensive and, voila, the answer is nuclear!
We never get to test how “unabated” coal fired generation compares to nuclear. Coal had to be banned to exclude it from consideration. Note how both fuels (coal and nuclear) would be purchased on the international market for consumption in the UK – so there isn’t a fag paper between them on the “home grown energy” trope.
Can you see how this leaves a gaping hole in your conclusion.
Breeder reactors to burn up the existing “waste/unused fuel” stockpile?
Easy to say.
Needs the government to get their heads around spending money on a new MOX production plant, and the consequential liabilities of assuring the performance of their fuel in a nuclear reactors.
Not quite so easy to take that final step into the business of nuclear fuel supply. If private business won’t do it, why should government be more competent and capable?
Department for Energy Security and Net Zero – GOV.UK
I admit – had to go look it up.
Energy security and net zero? Isn’t that an oxymoron with the accent heavily on the moron?
Not when you realize ‘energy security’ means government control of energy. It has nothing to do with availability of energy.
100% !.
Energy security is just an idiotic buzz-phrase politicians have jumped on to justify higher electricity prices.
Certainly it is a useful malleable phrase meaning what the speaker wants it to mean. I meant it as an opposite extreme: a genuinely secure national supply as opposed to net zero being utterly insecure, unsustainable, unnecessary and unachievable.
I am surprised it is not called the DEEGRNZEVMOHS — the Department of Energy, Equity, Gender Reassignment, Net Zero, Electric Vehicle, Minorities Only, and Hamas Support.
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-energy-security-and-net-zero
This is the reason the department has become so incompetent.
R
Should be “Dept for Energy Security OR Net Zero” 🙂
The reply doesn’t actually say it is going to be built by 2035, or any time soon.
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Eh? Has anyone told Starmer about this? Starmer wants to be elected, based opon a policy of closing down every gas fired power station.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-labour-vows-make-britain-clean-energy-superpower-by-2030-2023-06-18/
While we know this cannot happen, without the nation going back to the Stone Age, do the wider public know this?? This really should be the top priority in any debate – is Starmer selling the nation a boondoggle policy, to buy off his Greeney wing, knowing that he can never keep such an absurd promise?
Starmer needs to be exposed, for the vacuous and dangerous puppet that he is. I have seen clip after clip, where he has changed his tune on a dozen topics. 180 degree reversals. So it looks like he will say anything for a vote.
He is All Things to All Men, just like Saul (St Paul), and therefore completely untrustworthy. And utterly dangerous, when given access to the levers of government that control our energy supplies.
Ralph
Ralph,
it’s not the first time I have said this but the general public support reneweables because nobody has told them, e.g. the media, that they are not the same as conventional generators, probably because few in the media have bothered to do any research and that is their belief as well .
The general belief is that if they make elctricity they can replace other types of generators and also that they are much cheaper; all due to the rubbish in the media and coming from politicians. Although why anyone believes a politician these days is perplexing?
There is no excuse whatsoever for the Department of Energy Security and Net Zero not to know this and pass the knowledge onto those making government policy. My limited correspondence with them leads me to believe that they are technically illiterate.
I suggest Luis, as Deputy Director of Strategy at DESNZ, actually gets out of the office (assuming he’s not working from home) and gets around the UK Grid and its generation sources – between 2030/40, most existing CCGT is due to close at EOL – all existing nuclear, (excluding Hinckley that may still not be on line!) will have ceased generation at EOL also (and out last coal fired plant closes this year) – if DESNZ don’t get their net zero filled wooden heads out of the clouds, there will be no long duration flexible capacity to deploy and power outages and rationing will be inevitable – I would also like to assure Luis that intermittent renewables will never solely power a nation, without unaffordable, unsourceable storage, or coal, gas or nuclear standing reserve back up
Sizewell B will still be running – probably our only nuke for a few years until HPC comes on line. Tragic.
Hi Paul First and foremost you have a habit of using just initials. Please start off using the full title. What or who is DESNZ? The idiot that wrote to you mentions avoiding the volatile fossil fuel market. My understanding is that renewable energy prices are linked to gas prices at the moment. I also believe that the Drax setup needs investigating. Joe Crowther, I believe that is his name, did an investigation into their operation and discovered all is not what it seems. Even Kwasi Kwarteng questioned the sanity of the operation including the massive green subsides they receive. The whole thing stinks. Regards Steve Atkins
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It used to be the Department of Energy. But since the Woke Agenda has been thrust upon us, they have to put Net Zero in the department name.
I am surprised it is not called the DEEGRNZEVMOHS — the Department of Energy, Equity, Gender Reassignment, Net Zero, Electric Vehicle, Minorities Only, and Hamas Support.
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-energy-security-and-net-zero
This is the reason the department has become so incompetent.
R
Hallelujah what everyone who really understands how you deliver reliable power second by second and keep the lights already knew is now out in the open but doubt Millibrain will accept it.
When the power cuts arrive, the net zero pushers will just claim renewables weren’t built and connected fast enough.
They might struggle due to the tightness of the ropes around their necks….
You said that, not me 😎
I don’t know how you have the patience. The architects of all this insanity know all this full well. Destruction is the intent.
If “destruction is the intent” who benefits and why, unless it is our enemies?
Net zero is effectively the brainchild of a very strange individual, a Canadian oil millionaire who turned socialist called Maurice Strong, who had sufficient influence in UN circles to get the whole climate change industry off the ground with the formation of the IPCC. Strong had a lightbulb moment when he realised that the solution to so-called climate change was to destroy Western industry and the system of capitalism, which was his real goal.
Who benefits?
The fabulously wealthy who have come to realize that their wealth does NOT bring meaning to their life. So they meet in Davos to figure out how they can take over the world. They intend to gain control of all. Having control of all will give meaning to their lives. Billions of people will consider their actions evil; billions will die. These are not altruists trying to make it all better; they are going to eliminate most people.
So “benefits” is actually a distraction; they aren’t looking to get something.
They ARE our enemies! My considered view is that they are Satanic.
Lots of people get what they want. That’s why it’s going ahead. The Greens have always hated oil, so they get their way, the Left hates capitalism so gets to smash it, the Centre Left loves controlling and planning, so they get that in spades, the nutters get to catastrophe and rant at everyone, the Elites get yourself parade their virtue and superiority, the wealthy get to play at saving the planet whilst parading their money.
Good analysis, Phoenix.
I would add to the list all the opportunists willing to cash in on government stupidity. And, as we know, some members of government are cashing in.
I say this reluctantly because people should NOT think CCA/NZ is about money. The motivations are different, but, yeah, people will take the money.
jason35eafda72d :
Absolutely correct.
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Why decarbonise?
Misters have “goals.”
Ministers also have goals.
Ol’ Luis is a funny guy.
“…has…”
Present tense. Does not say, “will continue to have.” Does not say, “cheap.” Doesn ot say, “sustainable.” There are lot of things it does not say.
When Strong was plotting, it probably never ocurred to him that Western industry involving 500 million people would simply be replaced by Eastern industry involving 5,000 million people.
Quite an assumption to think he was talking about RIGHT NOW!
When I come across these senior officials I tend to look up their backgrounds.
Luis is a seriously worrying individual…..
From Linkedin
Programme Manager Community Testing Programme Programme Manager Community Testing Programme
Department of Health and Social Care · Full-timeDepartment of Health and Social Care · Full-timeJan 2021 – Aug 2021 · 8 mosJan 2021 to Aug 2021 · 8 mosLondonLondon
Programme Director for the Community Testing Programme, responsible for setting and running the Programme to test vulnerable and underrepresented groups”
“Community Testing Programme…….vulnerable…….underrepresented”? Jeez.
+1
Mr Castro’s claim of “half” electricity generation being from renewables is a lie.
Maybe there will be shortages and some measure of rationing in future. But is this an “emergency”?
Free markets need scarcity to drive new investment. There has to be certainty of scarcity and rationing to satisfy investors that they will get a return on investment. Abundance and surplus drives power prices down to marginal cost, so capacity abundance is kryptonite to investment. A scarcity premium pays for overheads, capital investment and taxes,
We have to be pragmatic. We need regulations if we want very high levels of security of supply, because we won’t get miniscule loss of load probability (a few hours per year) from the private sector. These LOLP’s equate to around 23% surplus of generating capacity over peak demand, and this only happens when power prices are at rock-bottom marginal cost.
If are pragmatists, we have to accept a regulated and administered process for capacity replacement. We got to this conclusion after only a couple of decades of the great Thatcher privatisation project. Around 2013, the Electricity Market Reforms (EMR) gave us the first offspring of this brave new (actually QUITE OLD) world: the Hinkley Point C CfD. Since then, we have had the wind allocation rounds (more CfDs) and the GB capacity market auctions (many capacity agreements). We pay for these in Final Consumption Levies on our bills, leaving the illusion that there is something like a market.
The government now orchestrates the generation mix, and the level of “supply margin” (surplus generating capacity over peak demand). Sizewell C PWR is a recent addition, with talk of Wylva and who knows, SMRs. It’s going to be a very busy time ahead at the new GB Energy (according to Labour), or GB Nuclear (according to the Tories).
What about that “emergency” mentioned in the post above?
Capacity market auction prices are spiking up. It is a very strong incentive to keep existing CCGT and OCGT generating plant open. Operators are enjoying as much as £40M per year and that kind of money pays for some pretty serious plant renewals in the older stations. There is nothing, technically, which forces them to close if they get the right renewals of spent equipment.
Will there be shortage and rationing in the coming years? It seems very likely. Is EMR working? It seems very likely.
Would there have been shortage and rationing in a wholly de-regulted industry? Absolutely.
Wut? Exactly backwards. Regulation discourages investment.
That’s a kind of bland featureless reply Gamecock. The kind of flat surface comment that creates an echo chamber as entrenched views bounce around for no real purpose. Try harder.
Okay, Jordan.
Your post is stupid, ignorant of economics and history.
Jordan you miss the point of Gamecock’s comment.
It has nothing to with your knowledge or what you have written other that the sentence “We need regulations if we want very high levels of security of supply”.
Which is directly opposite to what most people think we need, ie no Government interference at all.
Remove the punitive Carbon Taxes.
Remove the Subsidies for Wind & Solar.
Remove constraint payments for wind.
Remove the Wind & Solar first requirements.
Force wind to pay for backup and balancing for when they do not meet their “contract with the customer”.
Force the Wind & Solar suppliers to finance grid extensions over and above those required for the other generators.
The idea is to create a free market where if the company cannot meet demand at the going price they do not get guarantied supply and payment, commonly known as a “level playing field”.
Thanks Gamecock. I see you have achieved you full potential in that comment. Nothing more needed from you.
Thanks AC Osborne. We do need regulations if we are to provide a Loss of Load Expectation (LOLE) in the region of a couple of hours per year – the levels we have become accustomed to, and in reality are fitting for a modern industrial/commercial economy. I provided further explanation in a comment below so I won’t repeat it.
I agree with points you make about Carbon Taxes, subsidies and the rest. But none of those alter the investment case needed for very low LOLE. They change the costs, sure, but private investment will not provide the over-capacity without some form of assurance that the investment case would not be undermined by the resulting collapsed power prices. You either have a balance of scarcity and power prices (high enough for investors) which means LOLE is much lower than people expect (and all the complaints of insecurity of power supply), or you have to be pragmatic and accept an administered/regulated scheme to give customers what they want. There really isn’t much of a middle ground to aim for between the two
When you say “Remove the Subsidies for Wind & Solar”, you should include nuclear. EMR was to create the fluffy bedding for the government’s nuclear ambitions. The private sector will not do it.
Constraint payments are a feature of the NETA/BETTA power market and relate to a market failure in the structure of the industry: the separation of transmission from generation. Complicated issue, and I cannot get into it. I appreciate it is galling to see lots of payments going out to people who don’t seem to be producing (but would have been, but for the technical limitations of the network) and that’s just a fact of life we have to get along with in the structure we have.
I’d prefer to use smart metering to more closely link customer demand to the availability of intermittent sources. “Forcing” suggests regulation, and you seem to have an aversion to that (in this case, I would share the aversion for the reason given).
There is a certain amount of local network cost allocation in the charging schemes, but only for dedicated lines. As soon as networks are shared, the allocation of costs becomes more problematic, although there is TNUoS weighting and connection queuing to try to manage the point.
The UK had a good shot at having a free market. It gradually learned all the things it didn’t like about that idea, and now we have a much more administered/centrally controlled scheme. This could change, although I wouldn’t hold your breath. The government has set an initial target of 25% nuclear generation, and it will take several decades to get there. So long as the government has this in mind, your hopes of a free market in power generation are going to be dashed.
So be realistic AC Osbourne. We agree on the preference for markets where they work well. That’s not going to be UK power generation in our lifetimes.
Jordan, it would be very nice if you learnt how to spell my name.
I have no problem with Government controlling the amount of generation that we have, especially as our safety margins are probably the lowest since WW2.
But they should not have any say over the mix, especially where they specifiy intermitent supply with all the problems that they create.
We need streamlined efficient baseload not loads of subsidy milking intermitent supply.
Sorry about spelling your name wrong AC Osborne.
Government will dictate the mix because of the 25% nuclear target.
Any private sector investment has to fit around about the big nuclear baby, and it’s not going to be much of a market. It needs central coordination. One example is that the fleet will need to provide reserve for 1500MW EPR single infeed loss, so the future mix is already being influenced in certain directions.
I see the intermittent renewables phase as just a part of the longer term strategy to make the case for nuclear. It helps to show intermittent sources are (in reality) expensive and unpopular, and voila, the answer is nuclear!
The earliest wind powered installations will soon be clapped out and will be looking for more subsidy to be replaced. All at further great cost to the consumer, and that’s not going to be popular. Voila, nuclear!
There is a good chance the appetite to replace a lot of that early phase wind fleet will wane. The failure of AR5 might be an early sign of things to come, although it might be too early to make that call. All we can really do is watch to see what happens. Who knows what Ed Milliwatt will do.
Jordan, well that spelling is closer, but still no cigar.
AC, like his other posts, he’s just trolling you.
And Rar, too.
Gamecock – I suggested you should try harder. You come back with an interject in a conversation which doesn’t involve you, and all you have is childish barbs.
Come down of the ceiling. Just accept a plurality of views, and that not everybody must agree with your views on the role of regulation.
This is all fallacious. You misunderstand “scarcity” in Economics terms. In Economics, all resources are “scarce”. It’s simple to prove you wrong. There are hundreds of deregulated industries. In not one of them are there shortages and rationing. Food, clothes, cars, laptops, phones, flights, broadband, insurance, banking, furniture, phones, watches…where is there rationing? Where are there shortages? As forcthe claim private investors won’t invest at the prices we will have to pay for infill capacity, they would because the prices have to pay for the cost Jo matter what.
Totally agree. I often wonder what planet Jordan is on.
Phoenix and Rar.
I set out my case in quite a lengthy comment, and even gave you some of the history.
Phoenix – please stick to the power market. If you don’t accept how I have described the capital replacement process, please set out your model of how you believe rational investors will spend many £100M’s on a new power project. They will need to secure an income of between £100M/yr and £200M/yr over 15-20 years to recover their initial investment, operating and maintenance costs, pay their taxes, and pay a dividend to their investors.
If there is a surplus of generating capacity, the buyer side of the wholesale market will drive prices down to marginal cost all the time, and the competing generating companies will be able to do nothing about it until some of the surplus exits the market because it is not covering its fixed costs. That loss of capacity leads the the scarcity and rationing I mentioned, and the balance of bargaining power evens out so that power prices increase above marginal cost due to scarcity.
But to get there, we cannot have Loss of Load Expectation at the level of a couple of hours per year. LOLE will need to be much higher, and demand curtailment will follow.
That’s the theory. If you don’t want this, the answer is some form of regulatory intervention to support the capacity surplus needed to create the small LOLE we have been accustomed to over the last few decades. Sorry that you don’t like regulation, but I am a pragmatist on that matter,
If you think that’s wrong, please set out your “model” for private sector capital investment which delivers sufficient forward visibility of incomes to investors in power generation, whilst also giving the customer the capacity surplus needed for a LOLE in the region of a couple of hours per year.
Ray – I have spent approaching 40 years in the industry. I know the above stuff, because I have lived with it nearly all of my working life. To help you understand, that’s the planet I live on. From what I have picked up in your comments here, I believe you were in some substations at around the same time, and you seem to understand power factor, so I guess you are a technical sort.
Jordan, (Not Phoenix due to the WordPress page layout)
Quote :- ” If there is a surplus of generating capacity,”
That makes sense except that you cannot consider renewables in that situation because capacity does not equate to available power with renewables.
But the reality is that renewables sell all they like (unless curtailed) as they are first in the queue legally so distorting any market.
I agree Iain Reid. Intermittent sources complicate the assessment of security of supply. There is a statistical probability that they will contribute to peak demand, and the temptation is to recognise something. It’s the same for interconnection, and taking a position on whether it will contribute.
Security of supply is not a certainty, and it’s essentially a statistical problem. LOLE can never be completely eliminated, and it’s more a question of how to provision for something the customers consider to be part of the value-for-money offering in their electricity bills.
To come back to the original reason for commenting – I don’t think we are at the stage where we can use the word “emergency”. There is always a chance of loss of supply, and different approaches (whether that’s very market based, or whether it is centrally planned) will give us a LOLE.
The only thing that is certain is that people will complain bitterly about the “idiots in charge” when it happens.
Any grid needs some basis for deciding on capacity. Smaller ones are local monopolies who typically take their own capacity decisions unless politicians intervene (usually at the expense of consumers and often to benefit their own pockets).
Bigger grids with several kinds of generation will tend towards capacity mixes that reflect local circumstances of resource (hydro, any local fossil fuel etc) and demand patterns (need for baseload and peaker generation) with location also typically set by an attempt at lowest cost overall subject to local objections. There have to be clear rules of grid access agreed among participants, with a centralised system of dispatch to which they subscribe. TSOs do not have to be state entities. Proposed new power stations are going to be subject to public enquiry. With a dispatchable grid the hours of operation for each generator and the likely margin are reasonably forecastable, and there will be no attempt to replace cheap baseload with peaker plant or peaker plus intermittent renewables.
It is political interference that has seen nuclear and coal baseload replaced by intermittent renewables plus backup, and with the renewables being subsidised such that they cannibalise market revenues it becomes necessary to ensure that the backup generation can also earn a margin. With large inter annual swings in renewables output the margin and operating hours for backup generation become too volatile and uncertain to be sure of an income from an energy only market, especially with renewables tending to price at marginal fuel cost of backup generation. The result is inadequate investment in dispatchable capacity.
Central regulation has made this situation worse, because NGESO and BEIS/DESNZ have indulged in groupthink that pretends that renewables will perform better and therefore the need for dispatchable capacity is less. Plant nearing end of life has been prepared to undercut the capacity market to be sure of being awarded income. The result has been no new capacity coming forward in auction after auction. Even now, because of the official government position that unabated gas must end by 2035 they have tilted against new capacity because of the short period to pay for the investment.
We will probably end up paying over £100m/GW/a because of those heads in the sand. What has been missing is proper public scrutiny if the whole Net Zero/renewables shebang.
Jordan you really are a complete twat aren’t you.
Maybe take a bit more water with it Jordan?
Great comments Ray.
I should imagine our host is delighted to have your contribution to improve the quality of discussion on the thread.
Try to get your emotions under control. And try to learn to accept there are different views to yours.
Yes, maybe you might actually make a sensible commemt too!!!
Jordan, over the last few weeks many posters on here have put themselves out to help me with data, personal site photography, and detailed local information. My email address has been deliberately shown on here and I use my own full name with no attempt at anonymity.
Just now I have responded to one exceptionally helpful poster who made a special journey to view a site for me to assist in my project. “Our host” has been included in, very greatly assisted with and been involved with developing this quite important project. Paul has promoted my efforts on here so I am somewhat surprised you haven’t noticed.
Conversely you are just an argument looking for somewhere to happen, you are destructive to sensible and constructive debate and come across as an incredibly self opinionated idiot and successfully alienate just about everyone.
If you are a human (and not just some disruptor bot) you are, as I previously said, a twat. Get used to treatment like this on here -you get what you give.
Excellent work; thank you. The letter from Mr Castro is worryingly simplistic, but it does contain that vital acknowledgement, which fundamentally undermines the Net Zero agenda.
The important job now is to try to ensure this acknowledgement, undermining what the mainstream politicians say on this topic, receives maximum publicity in the mainstream media between now and the day of the general election.
This is a stunning admission. Barring the possibility that the present government in its dying days is making up policy on the hoof after receiving irrefutable evidence in the form of letters from constituents (which is not beyond the realms of possibility), we must acknowledge that the government was aware of the need for very significant CCGT backup all along, which completely destroys the claim of decarbonising the grid by 2035 and brings the entire Net Zero project into serious doubt. So we’ve been lied to and Net Zero and 100% grid decarbonisation was never the plan OR, it was the plan, complete with severe energy rationing, the decimation of businesses and industries and frequent blackouts.
About that 50 GW of CCGT…
Legal challenge made over ‘net zero’ power plant – 14 May 2024
The decision to build a new power station faces a legal challenge over its potential greenhouse gas emissions.
Environmental consultant Dr Andrew Boswell has applied for a judicial review against the government’s decision to approve a “net zero” gas power station in Teesside.
He said his calculations revealed the plant, which would use carbon capture technology, would produce far more greenhouse gas emissions than initially estimated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd1ddz14q1no
We need to be assembling judicial review cases against Net Zero policies. Hoist them with their own petard.
Paul: I must protest strongly about the constant repition of the claim that “only gas” can provide the security we need. The Ireland Alternative Fuel Obligation mandates that all CCGT operators must store and burn distillate fuel. Its sensible – technically simple. Gas is a diminishing resource over which we have no control whatsoever. Light distillates, on the other hand, are in surplus. Saudi Arabia’s latest monster, the Jufarah field, is a condensate field (in the steam reforming days used to known as naphtha). Ideal as a fuel but not for much else.
What never heard of Fracking then?
We have both Gas & Coal fields with decades to centuries of supply.
Now if you had suggested SMRs and MSRs I would agree for the future.
Vernon,
yes, an alternate source of fuel is sensible but as an either or, not a change from one (gas) to liquid. (my previous employer had gas turbine generators which normall ran on gas but switched to fuel oil when gas was constrained during some times in winter), exactly the same as coal generation was an alternative to gas and its possible supply restriction.
I know that Clare Coutinho is aware of the issue. Kathryn Porter of Watt-Logic told me she raised the issue with her at a conference at which Coutinho was the keynote speaker in questions afterwards. Despite a small amount of chuntering from the Green lobby, it was plain that the room agreed, and Coutinho accepted that unabated gas is inevitable in the future.
The problem now is that Miliband won’t hear of it, so investment will be delayed while he wastes money on floating offshore wind and hydrogen hubs.
Ray S’ comment upthread on the background of Mr Castro made me wonder how much of the background and experience of those “in charge” is visible in the public domain? So I had a look at the DESNZ website.
Of the ministers, Lord Callanan is the only one with an obvious technical background – a BSc in Electrical and Electronic engineering. (So he should understand issues such as frequency control, reactive power, etc which those with knowledge have raised on here. It would be interesting to get his views).
The website shows 11 members of the “Management”. Six are career civil servants and, of the rest, only two appear to have significant industrial experience. I could see no mention of relevant technical qualifications or experience.
Naively, I rather expected to see the equivalent of a Chief Engineer – someone with a strong technical background and many years’ experience of running the Grid, power stations, etc.. I guess someone like that would struggle to stay “on message” for more than a few days.