Labour’s net zero plans ‘risk blackouts and public unrest’-Claire Coutinho
June 9, 2024
By Paul Homewood
h/t Philip Bratby
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
So will the ‘Conservatives’ unless the CCAct 2008 is repealed…
The Uniparty will never drop the WEF mandated net zero scam – they want the developed nation masses living standards regressed, in their eyes, we have it too good and they are increasingly unwilling to share it
Chris,
Yes. Exactly.
My MP is a Tory – I asked, and was fed prose from the DESNZ, but without clarity on batteries. Even for 2035.
I asked my Labour Candidate – Ben – and no response to my query about batteries. They are looking to have blackouts five years before the Tories.
Wow.
How inspiring!
Choosing a party to vote for is like deciding to starve to death – rather than freeze to death.
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With the policy of the current government, I predict rolling blackouts before 2030. If Labour are elected, then blackouts are likely to occur sooner.
The CCA 2008 needs repealing and Net Zero should be abandoned. We urgently need to increase oil and gas production (including fracking) and get on with building proper power stations.
Indeed, it’s going to be an extremely ‘close run thing’ what with that and the CCP.
Absolutely right, Phillip. It seems amazing Claire Coutinho can criticise Labour’s drilling policy when her own Prime Minister cancelled our shale gas exploration on his very first day in office. Moreover, in the event of hostile action, which is more secure, North Sea rigs and pipelines which she favours or inland fracked wells?
We already have lots of blackouts .In the Winter time especially there are power cuts nearly every day .
Usually just a thousand or so houses for a few hours , and explained away as ” Routine Maintenance ” , or an Elephant flew into the power lines somewhere .
And with the number of houses in the country , most people would not notice it as they would only get it once every few years .
https://www.ukpowernetworks.co.uk/power-cut/map
This site shows where the cuts are , but I would guess it is under orders not to tell the truth so that people do not realise that the country is on the edge of a large problem with lack of capacity , especially when wind and solar are so unreliable .
As others have said the Tories plan to do the same thing by 2035. Net zero is a simple control theory nonsense. Because the models are wrong and the supposed remedy makes energy supply expensively worse to no measurable benefit to anyone, anywhere, exceot the susbidy collectors and the Asian economies whi profit from our avoidable, pointless energy poverty .
There can be no significant climate change caused by the small perturbation to the radioative system caused by additional carbon dioxide which is easily negated by a 0.2° Kelvin shift in the surface temperature of earth, which delivers the necessary 3.6 W/m^2 feedback which is the AGW 1.6m^2 plus NASA’s 2 W/m^2 of water vapour GHE amplification Simple. OK?
PS Only Reform works for us and will fight this, IF they can get people inside the WEF captured system.
We certainly do.
Claire is still net zero peddling – the Uniparty, whether blue or red, will drive us over the cliff edge – if DESNZ was managed by energy competent people, it would simply be called DES – decarbonisation and carbon credits etc, are a tax grab, a forced transfer of wealth from the masses to the globalist socialist elites – the net zero scam is a solution to a crisis that doesn’t exist in reality – our planet is benefitting from the gentle rise in atmospheric CO2, it needs far more for optimal plant & crop growth
Spot on!
The “to” is wrong. The objective is to bankrupt the middle class. The globalist socialist elites have more money than they can use already; that’s why they are doing this.
Dekulakization, because wealth = freedom, and it is freedom they hate.
CCA/NZ is not about money; it’s about destroying freedom.
Competent people running a state organisation in this country? Never going to happen.
I can picture it now. We will be told we have to be on a “war footing,” because we have to deal with the “climate change war.” It will be our patriotic duty to cut our electricity usage to the bare minimum (so long as we can go abroad once a year on an aeroplane), and celebrities will fly around in their private jets making sure we toe the line.
Except it’s not 1939, and climate change isn’t real. So the revolt will begin when elderly people in rural properties start to die of cold in winter.
Elderly people are already dying from cold in winter in poorly heated houses but the politicians don’t care.
Living in South Africa 🇿🇦, up until April this year “load shedding” was part of everyday life. Fortunately very few houses require heating or are fitted with central heating requiring a constant power source. Furthermore people living in the rural areas are accustomed to intermittent electricity which again they just consider part of everyday life.
Will the population of the UK 🇬🇧 be so tolerant when their widescreen TV’s stop working, they can’t charge their beloved mobile phones, tablets and lap tops and the living room temperature drops below 22° on a cold winters night. I doubt it very much.
Sadly this is the future for the UK 🇬🇧 I hope all the wasted money and pain was worth it.
It is most interesting to hear the government talk about national security and protection of key infrastructure that they blow up the reliable and expect the unreliable to become key in replacement. Never have we as a nation been sleepwalking into voting for such scientific and technical ignoramuses people to be our representatives in Parliament, nor do they have any capability to scrutinise and be objective on the advice they are given by self-seeking civil servants and well-endowed foreign pressure groups.
There needs to be a revolution in Whitehall, with a massive weed out of the woke and ineffective.
“There needs to be a revolution in Whitehall, with a massive weed out of the woke and ineffective.”
Agreed
So we need to clear out at least 640 MPs 600 Lords & 1,000s of ‘political advisors’ all clinging onto lucritive jobs any way they can.
The Tories seemn at last to be waking up to the dangers of Net Zero. If this trend continues I may switch back to them
And then they will revert to their WEF overlords should they win.
The comments on the article are enlightening, with about 3 Green shills pushing wind & solar.
They are spouting all the usual green lies about subsidies and Chinese investment in renewables.
One is supposedly supplying 7KW to the grid from his solar panels above his house usage. Goodness knows how much he invested to get that amount of energy.
He is also bragging about how much wind & solar are currently supplying, no mention of what they were supplying last month.
The loss of data at Templar gridwatch is a major concern because although you can get the current usage at Katy’s site you can’t get any history.
Goodness, does anyone know what happened there? I must have a look at the gridwatch download function when I get a chance as I have not used it recently.
Was he getting the data from elexon in real time? I’m sure a few of us on this site have download historical data from gridwatch to help rebuild the database if something also went wrong with the backup.
or how big his house (mansion ?) is as he clearly doesn’t live in a high rise flat or a 2 up 2 down terraced house in Northern England. Also if they are supplying 7KW what is the actual capacity & size of roof.
Or during the night.
I wonder how much income these people get from the feed in tariff. I’m sure the people struggling to pay their energy bill are happy affluent people who own wind farms and solar PV are being generously compensated for a produce they force the poor to buy even when it is not needed.
“The loss of data at Templar gridwatch is a major concern because although you can get the current usage at Katy’s site you can’t get any history.”
Yes, the loss of historical data from Gridwatch Templar which could be downloaded as a csv file is very concerning as it was so very useful. Do you know whay this has happened?
Both use a feed from elexon – get it from the horses mouth back to Jan 2016 in 5 min intervals if you want. I think Elexon have recently closed down the BM reports website, perhaps that’s bust something.
https://bmrs.elexon.co.uk/generation-by-fuel-type
and
https://bmrs.elexon.co.uk/rolling-system-demand
John, no idea what has gone wrong at Templar.
Stuart, I notice they do not show any solar data.
AC Osborn – elexon do not show solar – you are correct. I think that’s because all solar plantations in the UK are ‘under the radar’ and that is true of quite a lot of wind too. Someone with more knowledge than me needs to give the details/ correct me – my understanding is that elexon only reports on generators connecting to the national grid rather than at a more local level.
Gridwatch Templar (Leo Smith) applies a fudge factor for small wind and gets his solar data from the Sheffield University site here:
https://www.solar.sheffield.ac.uk/pvlive/
You can download a years worth of data from there – and it looks like that feed to Gridwatch is still working. But you need to be aware that it is modeled to some degree. It is based on assumptions about the aging of installed panels amongst other things.
Then there’s batteries, small hydro, diesel generators in sheds… So – the elexon data may (or may not) be accurate, but the other stuff is informed guesswork really.
Elexon switched off the BMreports system at the end of May. The replacement system is lacking a lot of historical data – something I raised with them after the announcement that the new system would be the sole source. For some things it actually makes it much easier to get data an d download it in reasonable chunks. For others, you are left scrummaging around for code examples to modify to try to get what you want. They have prioritised the requirements of electricity traders who have automated systems that feed data to their analysis suites in real time over those interested in historical data.
An introduction to the new system at its website is here:
https://www.elexon.co.uk/data/kinnect-insights-solution/
and here
https://bmrs.elexon.co.uk/
Different access is probably why several sites that feed off the old data are out of date.
I have raised with them that with batteries now being so important we really ought to have battery charging and discharging data made available at 5 minute resolution. It appears the thought had not occurred to them, but it is now under consideration.
I also tackled embedded wind, for which NGESO were providing data alongside their estimates of solar, pumped storage pumping, metered interconnector flows (not just estimated), Scottish generation and transfers and overall grid demand. NGESO have suspended provision of some of those series because they are unsure of data quality, and are not actually officially required to provide them. Such data as they are providing (with a ~3 week lag because it is loss adjusted meter readings based) is here:
https://www.nationalgrideso.com/data-portal/historic-demand-data
The grid level is unconcerned about embedded generation because to them it is just reduced demand. They should be much more concerned, especially as solar ramps up. Not knowing what was happening with the (loss of) embedded generation contributed to the problems of the August 2019 blackout.
Stitching the bits together allows me to make charts like this (click to see enlarged version):
At the left hand end we see the highest prices, reaching up to £250/MWh, with output dominated by CCGT, demand a fairly high levels (albeit not quite the highest), some reduction in nuclear output, but biomass and coal running around capacity, next to no solar and little wind. Exports are confined to small amounts to Ireland, which would be facing a similar predicament. Imports are variable, but clearly typically less than in slightly less stressed market conditions. Pumped storage helps meet demand peaks.
At the other end of the chart the picture is dominated by wind and low demand. Not shown (because I do not have the data at this resolution) is that there is also quite extensive curtailment. At the lower prices exports replace imports (even Norwegian hydro gets backed out) and biomass cuts back to only the most heavily subsidised units while coal shuts down. CCGT runs are sharply lower, mainly to help provide grid stability which is also aided by pumping for grid storage taking advantage of low prices.
Paul uses this site.
https://gridwatch.co.uk/
it has the current and historical data but it’s download function does not appear to be working.
His Majesty’s Secretary of State for Zero Energy Security.
Why would anyone take notice of anything she says about anything?
Yet another Energy Secretary who knows less about Energy than most commenters here do about Sanskrit poetry.
You can be sure all of those who have aided and abetted the fraud of history will be quietly installing petrol/diesel generators in their cellars/garages paid for of course by the taxpayer because, unlike us, they are important. It is easy to justify because they need to be able to function in a blackout. Also as well as being vital that their wine chillers maintain a constant temperature, the generator needs to be powerful enough so they can continue to have parties during blackouts.
Conservative HQ are not going to change their minds over the need to lead the world in Net Zero and anyway they were always driven by being taken to court by taxpayer funded climate activists such as ClientEarth whenever a judge (with no knowledge of the subject) decided that they were falling behind with the targets (carbon budgets) set by the unelected quango known as the Climate Change Committee.
Although I would never vote Labour, is there ever a chance that Labour’s major funders, the unions, would be pressing Labour HQ to end our unilateral dash to Net Zero as surely they must be realising that this policy will only bring unemployment and impoverishment to their members?
And both Labour and CONsocialists wonder why Reform are gaining ground, however, the modest gains seen so far are as nothing compared to what will happen when the blackouts start and Farage can rightly say “Well I did say the Nett Zero meant No Energy”. Do this thickos pushing Nett Zero not fully connect the dots as too what happens when the wind is too low/high to be used, when the sun is not shining ie Night and Winter – simple dot, forget about no lights, no heating but consider this – water is pumped, no power no water, sewage works on gravity and pumping, no power no water to maintain gravity flow, no pumps no pumping, no sewage- so not only do you effectively shut off water, you shut down sewerage, Simple joining the dots. Try this one, shut off a transmission station, the grid goes out of balance and needs to be restarted, but, the National Grid have stated that this could be as quick as seven days, or as long as twenty eight days, so just how does a society reliant on electricity for power continue, none of the Parties dare consider this nightmare, but although they laugh and joke that Reform are Johnny come Lately, at least they have stated that Nett Zero must be scrapped and all forms of Energy production used.
they laugh and joke that Reform…
Reform UK has its faults, an over-ambitious manifesto possibly being one. Would be interesting to see if there is a “conduit” for information re AGW / NZ etc from this messageboard to Reform UK.
There is probably enough information on this messageboard to enable Reform UK to undermine the NZ ambitions of other political parties.
There is probably enough inforrmation on this messageboard to enable Reform UK to demonstrate that they can finance several of their manifesto commitments by scrapping NZ.
I think she is only criticising the date, not the idea. If I remember right, she talks of the madness of having to buy clean energy from overseas. Missing the crucial point, that in a place where reality is important, a reliable baseload is the first requirement.