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Daily Temperature Highs

June 15, 2024
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By Paul Homewood

 

Each day the Met Office publish the weather extremes for the day before.

Yesterday’s top temperature in the UK was at Heathrow (surprise, surprise!!).

Heathrow is a Class 3 station, which indicates just how bad the Class 4s and 5s are!.

 

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https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/observations/weather-extremes

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This week I have been keeping track of the highs each day – none have occurred at Class1 and 2 stations. On Wednesday, Plymouth Kinterbury set the record but this station is so new it has not even been classified yet, although photos show it must be Class 5:


Class
Frittenden 4
Usk 5
Gosport 3
Plymouth N/A
Kinlochewe 4
Heathrow 3

The Met Office also publish daily extremes by region. Yesterday’s were once again dominated by junk Class 4 and 5 sites.

Shoeburyness is the only Class 1 site. Given its location at the tip of the Thames estuary (just east of Southend), this would be a prime position to pick up any warm winds coming from the continent.

Otherwise, the dominance of junk sites cannot be mere coincidence.



Class
Highlands Altnaharra 4
Grampian Kinloss 4
Central Scot Strathallan 4
Stratclyde Dunstaffnage 4
Galloway Charterhall 4
NE Eng Albermarle 5
N Ireland Killowen 5
Yorks Hull 5
NW Eng Nantwich 5
E Midlands Coningsby 3
W Midlands Wellesbourne 2
Wales Hawarden 4
E Eng Shoebury 1
SE Eng Heathrow 3
SW Eng Larkhill 4

It is worth noting that while Heathrow hit 20.3C and Coningsby reached 19.6C, Rothamsted in Hertfordshire, which is a Class 1 site, only hit 17C. All of the other English sites listed exceeded 18.5C.

Can it really be the case that Hertfordshire miraculously missed the warm weather? Or is poor siting responsible for the other stations being 2 degrees warmer?

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https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/observations/gcpy8jchu

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BTW – For anybody who thinks that Heathrow is a suitable place to use for climatological purposes and where temperatures are not artificially raised, the Met Office published this analysis in 2015:

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https://blog.metoffice.gov.uk/2015/07/07/on-the-record-observing-a-heatwave/

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Laughably they compared Heathrow’s temperatures with Kew, and concluded that because they were virtually the same, Heathrow’s were good to use!

Inadvertently, of course, they admitted that the runways and aircraft at Heathrow must be inflating temperatures there as much as the urban heat island does in the middle of London!

59 Comments leave one →
  1. christreise permalink
    June 15, 2024 3:33 pm

    Well Kinterbury creek is a wooded area right by the River Tamar. There is a concrete area in the middle of some strange hexagonal structures, it has some “lumps” on it, I wonder….. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Plymouth/@50.4023827,-4.2006779,350m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x486c8d530e95ea3d:0x3b282cb5cef58593!8m2!3d50.3754565!4d-4.1426565!16zL20vMDV2dzc?entry=ttu

    • Nigel Sherratt permalink
      June 15, 2024 5:52 pm

      The strange hexagons seem to be paths alongside clothes drying lines (see shadows), unusual detail. Dundee tenements have poles in the ‘closie’ with clothes lines on pulleys from each tenement on a loop.

  2. davewoolcock permalink
    June 15, 2024 3:39 pm

    Where can I find a complete list of all the UK weather station classifications?

  3. ralfellis permalink
    June 15, 2024 4:05 pm

    Plus Kew has those enormous greenhouses, which leak heat like a sieve – especially in winter. (Single glazed still, I think.)

    You can imagine that in a still wind anticyclonic system, with a low temperature inversion trapping everything underneath it – these greenhouses must have an effect on local tamperatures (sic).

    That is why they called it the Greenhouse Effect.

    P.S. They are called tamperature datasets, because there is so much tampering going on.

    R

  4. June 15, 2024 4:24 pm

    Heathrow Tmax data shows evidence of sudden warmings, usually caused by relocations, see below. Cambridge NIAB and Waddington are OK in this respect, so any records from them are probably more reliable.

    It is Tmin data from Heathrow that shows the gradual warming associated with background (non-local) UHI.

    I am developing this kind of homogeneity testing in preparation for this years “hottest-evah” circus. This involves computing monthly averages from daily Met Office MIDAS-OPEN data, with data for recent months obtained from CLIMAT reports.

  5. Gamecock permalink
    June 15, 2024 4:27 pm

    Still wondering what ‘climatological purposes’ are.

    We are going to torture the data til it tells us what we want to know?

  6. June 15, 2024 4:34 pm

    Even if it does get slightly warmer, mere readings say nothing about the causes.

  7. Epping Blogger permalink
    June 15, 2024 4:49 pm

    I had supposed that low grade stations were old ones which had been degraded by development since they were commissioned. It is shocking the Met Iffice introduce new stations which fail to meet the highest standard.

    • June 15, 2024 5:49 pm

      Hi Epping, it is actually the complete opposite of your former understanding. Very large numbers of good quality sites have closed down over the last half century to be replaced with poor ones now. I am awaiting the Met Office’s verdict of 2 of its newest recruits (Neatishead and this Plymouth Kinterbury Point) but I am confident they should both be very low graded sites.

      In my home county of Kent, 50 years ago there were 32 official Met Office sites but there are now only 7 and the most recent of those, Frittenden, has been highlighted by Paul above. It is in a very poor location and is regularly over recording all the nearby private stations. Genuinely representative rural sites are disappearing rapidly. Gotta distort those figures to keep their “pressure” up somehow!

  8. June 15, 2024 4:55 pm

    There are now two official Met Office sites in Plymouth only a few hundred metres apart. On the same day that Kinterbury Point (undoubtedly Class 5 and installed 23/10/2020) recorded 19.1 °C, the Mountbatten site (Class 4 installed 1/1/1920 i.e 100 years older) only recorded 17.4°C. Quelle surprise!

    What are the odds that the older site gets retired and the newer one notches up a higher temperature set in future?

    Here is the site of the Kinterbury Point station complete with helipad.

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/50%C2%B023'46.6%22N+4%C2%B012'04.2%22W/@50.3962661,-4.2018001,173m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d50.3962652!4d-4.2011564?entry=ttu

  9. June 15, 2024 5:10 pm

    The daily extremes are notable by the fact they regularly feature particular star performers for each region.

    In Scotland Dyce (Aberdeen Airport) is always putting on a good show along with Leuchars, Fife. But it is not just about those pesky airfield sites, oh no, special awards have to go to the WALLED gardens deliberately built to create micro climates bearing little resemblance to the real environment. Edinbugh Botanic Gardens often leads Scottish awards.

    https://www.rbge.org.uk/science-and-conservation/rbge-weather-station/

    And let’s not forget Floors Castle starring on Facebook (or whatever it’s now called.)

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1893457610801591

    And not to feel left out of the show Wales offers another record breaking performance – a legend in its own Cardiff Bute Garden.

    https://bute-park.com/attraction/meteorological-station/?cn-reloaded=1

    I could go on but I am reserving my special disdain for the zoo in Hull East Park for another day!

  10. Joe Public permalink
    June 15, 2024 6:02 pm

    “BTW – For anybody who thinks that Heathrow is a suitable place to use for climatological purposes and where temperatures are not artificially raised, the Met Office published this analysis in 2015”

    Also from 2015, the same Met Office replied to some geezer who questioned Heathrow temperatures:

    “In addition the turbulence generated by passing aircraft would help mix the air close to the ground and so, is more likely to lower the air temperature rather than raise it.”

    https://blog.metoffice.gov.uk/2015/07/07/on-the-record-observing-a-heatwave/

    • June 15, 2024 8:51 pm

      Following Paul’s comments above I checked out Rothamsted’s data for that 1st of July 2015 as it did not appear on the Met Office report and Harpenden ain’t that far away. Surprise, surprise it was almost 2 degrees cooler.

    • Norman Paul Weldon permalink
      June 16, 2024 10:04 am

      “In addition the turbulence generated by passing aircraft would help mix the air close to the ground and so, is more likely to lower the air temperature rather than raise it.”

      Depends on whether the ground or air is warmer. It varies with the weather conditions, so could often have the opposite effect – with low wind in summer and clear skies the ground temperature will be much higher than the air temperature in the daytime. So their answer is inaccurate. Why do I know this but the met. office do not?

  11. gezza1298 permalink
    June 15, 2024 6:28 pm

    And so nothing whatsoever has changed at Heathrow in 66 years? No buildings added? No expansion of the areas of concrete and tarmac? No increase in the number of runways? No increase in the number of aircraft using the airport? No increase in the size of aircraft using the airport? No change in the type of aircraft using the airport? No change in the heat given off by the aircraft using the airport? Oh, well that’s OK then…..

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      June 15, 2024 7:16 pm

      Perhaps more to the point for minima are the operating hours. Heathrow officially closes at 10pm (from memory) but there are often special dispensations for delayed aircraft. Be fun to plot the correlating between dispensations and record minima!

  12. June 15, 2024 6:30 pm

    Heathrow holds 8 National Daily Records of the 366 set between 1858 & 2024 (Mean 2)

    17.3% Stations hold 47.5% Records

    From May 2022 Heathrow has recorded 35 daily Maxima of the 748 to date (Mean 5)

    27.2% Stations recorded 73.7% Maxima

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      June 15, 2024 7:17 pm

      Nice stuff – it does appear as though Heathrow is getting hotter more quickly than others?

      • June 15, 2024 7:56 pm

        It would be interesting to do a longer term analysis to track this over time, but I do not have the data.

        I am still concerned about the Transient Response Bias of ERTs as against LIG Thermometers.

      • June 15, 2024 8:44 pm

        Phoenix, you made a comment the other day regarding whether the methodology or even the concept of “daily average” temperature being realistic.

        Looking up some other historic data I discovered that 1921 was both exceptionally dry (Margate holds the all time modern era low of just 9.29 inches where and when T.S. Elliot was coincidentally writing “The Waste Land”) had a very hot and lengthy summer and exceptionally mild winters.

        However when you look at the Met Office Time Series for daily average temperature it does not particularly stand out. The meteorological reason is quite simple – the consistently arid conditions reduced atmospheric moisture meaning temperatures rapidly fell away at night in the clear and dry skies similar to deserts. The overall “averages” per day evened out making the statistical representation a meaningless description of the weather.

        All of which goes to prove most meterological “averages” are junk.

    • June 15, 2024 8:27 pm

      Excellent analysis. Regarding “I am still concerned about the Transient Response Bias of ERTs as against LIG Thermometers.” That is an area I was hoping to investigate as well.

      I did a really naff experiment the other day with a basic Six thermometer, a thermo-couple and a hair dryer (yes okay, I know but it was just a trial!) What was immediately noticeable though was that very short exposure to a waft of heat was detected by the thermo-couple but not a flicker on the LIG unit.

      Do you know if there has been any serious investigative work in this area?

      • June 15, 2024 10:09 pm

         Allot 1999 Compared LIG and ERT – happy with correspondence of 97% of readings but ignored 3% >1oC difference, wherein lie the records. There was supposed to be further study, but I can find no evidence of this.

        Certainly the time constant of ERTs are significantly shorter than LIG thermometers.

        There is a paper about the problems associated with Stevenson Screens at low wind speeds and I do wonder about the bias towards rising air from the louvering, which would be more significant with ERTs.

  13. gezza1298 permalink
    June 15, 2024 6:39 pm

    That they head the page ‘UK daily weather extremes’ tells you a lot about the motives of the Met Orifice…

    • energywise permalink
      June 15, 2024 8:32 pm

      Yes, the only extreme is the Met Offices left wing actions

  14. Alan Tomlin permalink
    June 15, 2024 7:03 pm

    Has anyone done an analysis of temp trends UK Class 1 sites only for the past century?

    • June 15, 2024 8:21 pm

      That would be a worthwhile exercise but very conditional on a number of factors. Firstly just getting the classifications of stations from the Met Office took persistent FOI requests. Even now it is NOT openly published information. The terms of the FOI release to me were that I did not publish it though I was allowed to share it with others privately conditional on recording whom I shared it with. Stop and think about that for a while.

      Then there is the small fact that it is only the Met Office who assess the sites with no independent supervision. I personally contested how Hastings could be Class 1 as it was blatantly obvious from my site inspection it wasn’t. Begrudgingly they admitted I was correct, amended the data to Class 4(!) but tried to blame it on an administrative human error. I then queried another Scottish site which has the entirety of a power station in its immediate curtillage. As a result I have now been “told” I must have a video conference with one of their senior managers arranged for next week (hopefully) BUT they have not yet responded to me.

      Okay so even then, if you have figured out suitable sites you have to get their data (which is not free for the required resolution) and trust it is genuine….think I’m joking? Nope! Crazy? Nope! The Met Office actually invent data. Go to this web page

      https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/historic-station-data

      That should all be useful data Yes?….. No. Click on Lowestoft to view data and every month since 2010 is …… a made up “estimate” because that was when the station closed down – it’s now a housing estate and there is no Met Office site in Lowestoft at all. There are several others on that page alone with made up data.

      And of course you have to assume that just because a site has a name that is still the same place now as it was back then. No doubt for sound operational reasons they have to relocate sites sometimes but if it’s under 800 radial metres they do not have to rename nor redsignate it. This is actually extremely common on aviation sites (which make up the bulk of their sites) and it is not unusual for them to have more than one operating site at the same “location” Think I’m kidding? Well the highest daytime minimum temperature was recorded in 2022 at Shirburn Model Farm – they had allegedly put in a new one at a better site than the original but kept the old one recording – which one’s data set the record? Well it’s almost certainly less than a 50/50 guess.

      I could go on and on. So yes it would be a great idea BUT the “keepers of the faith” will not allow you full and adequate access to their precious secret data to allow you to succeed. Unless……….

      • Alan D Tomlin permalink
        June 15, 2024 10:18 pm

        I appreciate your comprehensive reply, and sympathize with your frustration with Met Office stonewalling. But it would be instructive for everyone if even only a dozen or so Class 1 sites (visually confirmed as suitable Class 1 sites) were made available to the public by The MO. After all, wouldn’t the MO then be on more solid ground for their alarmist pronouncement? Best of luck beating on the MO door!

      • June 16, 2024 10:15 am

        Begrudgingly they admitted I was correct,

        Impressive work Ray! The Met Office’s admission of error does lead to the obvious question: what else have they got wrong ? The covering-up of the use of defective data suggests that there is a lot wrong with the Met Office.

        At the risk of (once again) stating the obvious, all Met Office temperature data should feature “+/- n °C” to reflect the inherent inaccuracy of the data, where “n” = 5 by default, but might be less for a particular weather station.

      • david4317d1c0b9 permalink
        June 16, 2024 2:05 pm

        Shirburn Model Farm minimum record. I took the reading from the new site. The old site is still running but with only max min and rain.

  15. David permalink
    June 15, 2024 7:05 pm

    Surely “Chemtrails” etc are now having the effect of reducing reported temperatures also increasing cloud cover at night giving the warmest May on record?

    • Norman Paul Weldon permalink
      June 16, 2024 10:10 am

      I assume (not living in the UK) that your May was very cloudy, in which the effect of chemtrails would be negligible. If May was dominated by clear skies then there would be an effect. Under clear skis the contrails would give some back radiation, which would only reach as far as the could cover under overcast conditions.

  16. energywise permalink
    June 15, 2024 8:31 pm

    The Met Office, practising Goebbels propoganda teachings, tell a lie often enough……………………

    • John Anderson permalink
      June 16, 2024 2:25 am

      Yes, Goebbels would be proud of this lot!

  17. Wodge permalink
    June 15, 2024 10:05 pm

    One station that frequently recorded the ‘hottest today’ is Gravesend which was situated in the compound of the Port of London Authority radar station at Broadness,now closed, it was within 20 ft of multiple AC outlets used to cool the radar ringed by a 12ft high metal fence.

    • June 15, 2024 11:08 pm

      GravesendBroadness was what started me querying Met Office data. Years ago (the site closed in 2018) I went into the compound on business with a colleague. We both noticed the warm draught from the radar AC units and commented what a daft place to put a weather station. A few days later we both met up at Dover St Margaret’s Coastguard station on related business when it was very cold. We sat in one car going through paperwork with the engine running to keep warm. When we got out we noticed the Langdon Bay Stevenson Screen was under 3 metres from my exhaust pipe. Same thought – what a ridiculous place to put a weather station or a car park.

  18. tomo permalink
    June 16, 2024 9:09 am

    reproduction ain’t endorsement

  19. dave permalink
    June 16, 2024 10:00 am

    “…most meteorological averages are junk…”

    Unfortunately, meteorological averages have always been liable to be misconstrued as “facts” instead of as the first step of ESTABLISHING facts. I was recently reading a textbook written in 1913, and much of it is about measurement and the calculation and presentation of maps of so-called “normals.” I realized after a while that there was some method in the madness. The meteorologists of the time were searching for “needles in the haystack.” And it involved finding sweet spots in terms of the correct regions and the correct time periods for averaging. “Thus one should speak of the weather on December 25, 1910, but the winter climate of New England.” Patterns were what counted, and their explanation, not outliers in the data. It is whether you win or lose the pennant in professional baseball that matters, not whether your number-two pitcher happens to have “the evil eye” – this season at least – on the number-three batter of your rival team in the play-offs!

    An interesting point in this textbook is a statement that the condition of the atmosphere at any point and any time is completely determined by the state of the six “meteorological elements” (Temperature, Pressure, Wind, Humidty, Cloud, Precipitation). Since the six measurements of these elements must always be incommensurable (an affine geometry in the state-space) one can only look for patterns and conections in both weather and climate.

    • dave permalink
      June 16, 2024 10:12 am

      Correction: “Thus one should speak of the weather on December 25,1910 in New York City, but the winter climate of New England.”

  20. June 16, 2024 10:54 am

    Might be worth appealing to the ICO about met office restricting distribution/publication of the FOI request.

    From the ICO website

    “because you should treat all requesters equally, you should only disclose information under the Act if you would disclose it to anyone else who asked. In other words, you should consider any information you release under the Act as if it were being released to the world at large.”

    • June 16, 2024 11:02 am

      If Ray has to keep a record of recipients that he has issued the information to, does this mean that the Met Office can require Ray to issue the contact details of the various recipients to the Met Office?

  21. June 16, 2024 12:16 pm

    Ray, Thank you for the WMO Class data. Please keep up the excellent work

    I am always happy to add to the database!

    Based on this the tally from Daily Maxima Records by station is:

    From May 2022

    Record  Days                     219

    Stations setting records      81

    Mean                                   2.7

    Stations with WMO Class      8          9.9%

    Records Set by WMO >=3  43        100%

    Station Class Daily Record Days

    Heathrow 3 19

    Gosport 3 7

    Hawarden 4 3

    Hull East Park 5 1

    Coningsby 3 4

    Frittenden 4 5

    Usk 5 2

    Kinloss 4 2

    2023

    Record  Days                     364

    Stations setting records    100

    Mean 3.6

    Stations with WMO Class    11        11%

    Records Set by WMO >=3  57        96.6%

    Station Class Daily Record Days

    Heathrow 3 12

    Hawarden 4 7

    Gosport 3 11

    Kinloss 4 2

    Usk 5 6

    Killowen 5 3

    Coningsby 3 4

    Kinlochewe 4 4

    Hull East Park 5 1

    Frittenden 4 7

    Wellesbourne 2 2

    2024 (To 15/06)

    Record  Days                        166

    Stations setting records      71

    Mean                                      2.3

    Stations with WMO Class       12        16.9%

    Records Set by WMO >=3  32        97%

    Station Class Daily Record Days

    Usk 5 5

    Nantwich 5 1

    Coningsby 3 3

    Killowen 5 3

    Hull East Park 5 5

    Frittenden 4 4

    Heathrow 3 5

    Dunstaffnage 4 1

    Kinlochewe 4 2

    Wellesbourne 2 1

    Kinloss 4 1

    Altnaharra 4 2

    • June 16, 2024 12:20 pm

      Apologies, thanks to Paul too.

      • June 16, 2024 2:59 pm

        You are a very rapid data cruncher indeed! Excellent stuff.

        In case you are not aware, having made several FOI requests and asked awkward questions of the Met Office I got this:

        Karl Shepherdson <karl.shepherdson@metoffice.gov.uk>

        Mon, 10 Jun, 18:31 (6 days ago)

        to me, Angus, Steven {these are Met regional managers}

        Dear Mr Sanders,

        Thank you for approaching a couple of my team members recently about CIMO Screen Temperature classifications at a couple of stations. We do get a number of similar enquiries.

        As their manager I’d like to introduce myself and hopefully assist you with any further enquiries you may have. I’m sorry it has taken me a reply to write this email, it has been a busy time.

        In particular, may I provide assistance with your ending query “can you advise of what oversight there is regarding sites and their historic upkeep” ?

        I read into your question that you wish to learn about our quality assurance procedures for looking after UK Met Office operated land based weather stations.

        I manage a team of 7 regional network officers across the United Kingdom. My team  make over 850 site inspection visits per year. Most weather stations receive at least 1 visit per year, some low risk sites are seen every 2 year, and raingauge only sites every 3 years.

        The Met Office also has a team of field service engineers, visiting our automatic weather stations. Frequency can vary depending on need, but many locations are seen an additional 2 to 3 times per year. Some more often than that.

        I’d be very happy for you and I to arrange a telephone or video call conversation, at a mutually agreed time, and I can maybe answer any questions you may have? I’d be happy to talk you through what our purpose and role is, how we inspect and assess our weather and climate stations, how we validate our ongoing and past data and extreme events, and the types of metadata we gather and store. In summary, how we oversee our sites to ensure we and others have ongoing confidence in our long-term climate monitoring.

        Regards,

        Karl.

        Karl Shepherdson BSc(Hons) Cert. Ed. FRMetS    Pronouns: he/him/his.

        Climate and Pollen Observations Manager

        This is the above’s bio

        https://sites.reading.ac.uk/connected/2021/09/23/the-indisputable-truth/

        I think I can guess where this guy is coming from. I frequently use the term “Religion” to describe this kind of non-science (apologies to other religions)

        If you (or anyone else) have any questions you would like me to put I should be speaking to him next week – though I have not yet had that confirmed.

        ray.m.sanders1956@gmail.com (not hard to work out how old I am!)

    • June 16, 2024 3:21 pm

      On previous posts on here I have made particular reference to Frittenden. It is an atrocious agricultural site with regularly changing surroundings notably poly tunnels. Only a short distance away is a good quality private site that consistently records about 1.5 to 2 degrees cooler.

      The star performing Hull East Park is just plain ridiculous. It was installed in 2011 in the grounds of the Animal Education Centre. On this site its live data should display but for reasons unknown it does not.

      https://wow.metoffice.gov.uk/

      However, the Hull University site and 2 private stations called “Hull Weather” do. Every day that Hull East Park appears as a high I check back on those three site’s history. They all and always record a lot lower, conform with each other and on one occasion were a mere 4.5 degrees cooler!
      I have asked the owner of Hull Weather if he can photograph/report on the site for me (I am down in Kent) hopefully he will.

      The red kite and white dot marks the screen

      https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/53%C2%B045'56.9%22N+0%C2%B017'52.7%22W/@53.765807,-0.2986129,161m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d53.7658062!4d-0.2979692?entry=ttu

  22. kzbkzb permalink
    June 16, 2024 1:13 pm

    Yesterday afternoon (1400 to 1600) the car thermometer maximum was 10 degrees. This is for mid-June, at a time when temperature normally peaks, driving along a NW England motorway in predominantly rural setting.

    10 degrees in June, also damp and cloudy. It could easily be late November apart from the longer daylight length.

    But no doubt it will turn out to be the warmest June on record !

  23. Adrian Liddle permalink
    June 16, 2024 8:39 pm

    It’s worth pointing out that planes arriving at Heathrow fly very low over Kew Gardens on their way in. I’ve often sat in the Gardens watching them, you could almost touch them!! No doubt the heat from their engines must affect temperatures at the Gardens.

    Regards

    Adrian

    • dave permalink
      June 17, 2024 9:15 am

      I wonder if anybody has attempted to get information from the Met Office under the Environmental Information Regulations Act 2004? It might not fall under the definition in that Act of a “public authority,” as it is technically an executive agency of the government, but it certainly would not be “a good look” for it to hide behind such a fine distinction.

  24. dave permalink
    June 17, 2024 9:17 am

    Sorry, it is not an Act but a Statutory Instrument. Makes no difference of course.

    • June 17, 2024 10:01 am

      Yes dave, it is under the EIR that they have had to release data following FOI requests to me. Interestingly data released under this SI does not even require you to divulge your name.

      Quote “your name (not needed if you’re asking for environmental information)”

      https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request/how-to-make-an-foi-request

      The Met Office enquiries team (by email that I copied to Paul) conditionalised the release of information stating

      “Whilst we look up what CIMO rating the site is, we will need to know why you are enquiring and what are you doing with the information?”

      It’s kind of like a menacing “who wants to know guv?”

      I have officially complained about that but so far no response.

      Additionally when they have supplied information to me, they have stated that I am not allowed to publish it though I can “share it” with others providing I record whom I shared it with. This is almost certainly why both Paul and The Daily Sceptic have not actually published the list of weather stations CIMO classifications, though Paul on this thread (and I on other threads) has offered to email it to people. This really is a bizarre situation where a government agency/department/whatever is blatantly in breach of government SI.

      If you would like that list (you may be amazed at how many official Met Office weather stations, even high profile ones , there are) well then …. ray.m.sanders1956@gmail.com

      • dave permalink
        June 17, 2024 3:26 pm

        “…We will need to know…”

        In view of the general tenor of the Regulations, this communication to you appears to be, in and of itself, a breach of the law. The Regulations state that there is always a presumption in favour of releasing environmental information.

        One drawback to EIR is that they can charge for giving information.

  25. John Brown permalink
    June 19, 2024 10:34 pm

    Listening to a Heartlands Institute ‘Environment & Climate News’ podcast I learned that the Heartlands Institute are building their own network of temperature monitoring stations as they no longer trust the data from NOAAs stations because of creeping UHI effects etc. We need such a program in the UK.

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