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Maldives Are Not Being Submerged After All – NYT

June 27, 2024
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By Paul Homewood

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The NYT finally catch up!

 

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We humans have settled in all sorts of precarious environments: parched deserts, barren tundra, high mountains. None are precarious in quite the same way as atolls, the tiny, low-lying islands that dot the tropics. As the planet warms and the oceans rise, atoll nations like the Maldives, the Marshall Islands and Tuvalu have seemed doomed to vanish, like the mythical Atlantis, into watery oblivion.

Of late, though, scientists have begun telling a surprising new story about these islands. By comparing mid-20th century aerial photos with recent satellite images, they’ve been able to see how the islands have evolved over time. What they found is startling: Even though sea levels have risen, many islands haven’t shrunk. Most, in fact, have been stable. Some have even grown.

One study that rounded up scientists’ data on 709 islands across the Pacific and Indian Oceans showed that nearly 89 percent either had increased in area or hadn’t changed much in recent decades. Only 11 percent had contracted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/27/briefing/maldives-atolls-climate-change.html#:~:text=If%2C%20say%2C%20the%20ice%20sheets,cope%20with%20their%20changing%20environment

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  1. John Palmer permalink
    June 27, 2024 1:38 pm

    I’ll believe that when I see it in The Grauniad!

    • gezza1298 permalink
      June 27, 2024 2:51 pm

      It would set a record as their first truthful article.

      • John Palmer permalink
        June 27, 2024 2:53 pm

        Oh, yes – I’d overlooked that…

  2. Mike Post permalink
    June 27, 2024 1:49 pm

    Didn’t the young Charles Darwin explain this phenomenon which the NYT is startled by?

  3. tonyjackson1944 permalink
    June 27, 2024 1:51 pm

    O level Geography.

    • John Hultquist permalink
      June 27, 2024 3:33 pm

      A class called “geography” was not given in my US school, but in college there was an “Intro to Geography” [ Geog: 101 ]. The subject was covered under the heading Atoll.

  4. June 27, 2024 1:55 pm

    These articles, studies and findings always operate on the assumption that warming, oceanic rises and the like are fait accompli. I even ran across one article warning sceptics that the facts are proven science, that there is no debate. This has all the earmarks of a propaganda campaign, where contrary voices are banned or drowned out, and only those who go along are allowed a public forum.

    I came across an article by a journalist in Casper, Wyoming, Zak Sonntag, reporting on the findings of Lusha Tronstad, apparently a scientist of some sort, who was amazed that even as the ice formations and accumulations around Yellowstone Lake have not changed in the past 20 years, the fact of warming is still not questioned. I took that to mean that evidence be damned, if Ms. Tronstad did not report her finding as contrary to the fact of warming, she would not get funded. I would link but do not want to use this forum to self-promote. Her name is searchable. I use Yandex.

    That’s how it works. Science is utterly corrupt.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      June 28, 2024 7:52 am

      Yes, according to many, the future is fact. That many predictions simply keep getting shifted forward ten years when they don’t happen passes them by.

  5. micda67 permalink
    June 27, 2024 2:26 pm

    Fact, the president of the Maldives is quick to state that they are sinking and need reparations to pay for the damage done by Global Warming, however, at the same time they are building a new airport and new hotel resorts- either he is mad and a arsonist setting fire to his house, or he is a chancer grifting his way thru life and “loadsofmoney” paid by the gullible.

    • glen cullen permalink
      June 28, 2024 12:32 pm

      Yep …its all about money

  6. liardetg permalink
    June 27, 2024 2:27 pm

    Those who are on record as having predicted the Maldives would be under water by now should be exposed and laughed at and then prevented from ‘doing climate science’ any longer.

    • gezza1298 permalink
      June 27, 2024 2:51 pm

      Can we do the same for all the failed predictions since they invented global warming?

    • June 27, 2024 3:06 pm

      I believe Al Gore was one of those people. This is certainly an ‘inconvenient’ truth.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      June 28, 2024 7:56 am

      This is the problem. Climate scientists can get away with constantly making false predictions without their hypothesis and doom-mongering being questioned.

  7. June 27, 2024 2:40 pm

    This is yet another of those articles that many of us reading them will say “We knew that years ago.”

    Unfortunately either our politicians and influencers are not aware of them for some reason, or they ARE aware but are so far up their ideological backsides that they just discount them and continue spewing out the stuff they WANT to believe

  8. Martin Brumby permalink
    June 27, 2024 2:49 pm

    In other news, Mafeking has been relieved.

    • gezza1298 permalink
      June 27, 2024 2:52 pm

      Can’t believe it – lost to the French at Hastings.

      • mjr permalink
        June 27, 2024 6:27 pm

        sorry bud, but they werent French.. They were Norman …. that is Norse men … scandinavian settlers and not part of France.. But as this relates to climate, it being factually incorrect doesnt matter as long as the MSM accept it. !!

      • dave permalink
        June 28, 2024 8:37 am

        “…they weren’t French.”

        Half of them were Breton, French and Flemish adventurers. William missed a trick; if he had used little rubber boats to come in, and told his men to throw away their passports, they would have been put up in nice sea-side hotels. The Anglo-Saxons have always been soft-hearted, or is it soft-headed? Actually, when the Anglo-Saxons first appeared in the history of Britain they were a bit rough and tumble. They regularly captured Romano-Britons and took them away as slaves. But they used to throw one-in-ten (presumably not the pretty ones) into the water as a thank you to the sea-god.

        The history of the Norse in France is well covered in the cartoon strip, “Hagar the Horrible.” To his wife: “I’m bored, bored I tell you!” “Well why don’t you have a nice day out, sacking Paris?” “Sack Paris, sack Paris. That’s all I ever do!”

    • David permalink
      June 27, 2024 5:12 pm

      my goodness, already ??

  9. June 27, 2024 3:10 pm

    The study the NYT’s is referencing is from 2018 (we probably all recall it). Really being on their toes, here. LOL.

  10. June 27, 2024 3:28 pm

    Just as Nils-Axel Mörner, leader of the Maldives Sea Level Project, said all along.

    https://21sci-tech.com/Articles_2011/Winter-2010/Morner.pdf

    • Newminster permalink
      June 27, 2024 4:32 pm

      I’d forgotten that article. Well-reminded.

      “We had to [make the adjustment] or there wouldn’t have been a trend” ought to be somebody’s ‘duh!’ moment. 2007 was a good year; didn’t we also get “we’re not using observations; we’re going by the models”?
      How many other “researchers” have undergone a sort ‘awareness lobotomy’?

  11. Charlie Flindt permalink
    June 27, 2024 4:20 pm

    What/ You mean that they were right to build all those new airports? Well I never.

  12. DaveR permalink
    June 27, 2024 5:46 pm

    But the archipelago was only temporarily restin.

  13. June 27, 2024 7:06 pm

    So the NYT finally catches on to what Charles Darwin worked out while he was on HMS Beagle nearly two centuries ago.

  14. mervhob permalink
    June 27, 2024 7:09 pm

    A frequent visitor to the RAF station on the Maldives island of Gan in the 1970s, swimming and snorkeling off the beach, I was surprised to see when looking on line, that little had changed in the last 50 years. If anything, the beach area looked remarkably the same. A friend who recently returned from a diving trip to the Maldives reported the same. So the NYT’s article comes as no surprise. That the top few meters of the ocean have warmed is no surprise, but the wholesale inundation predicted by computer simulations have not occurred. Attempts to ascribe normal coastal erosion to ‘climate change’ have also failed. Weather has certainly changed over the last 50 years but attempts to lay the blame for that on a single vector; increase in CO2, are dubious in the extreme. As both weather and climate are the production of non-linear dynamics, attempts to predict a ‘future’ based on extrapolation from a linear, steady state model are doomed to failure. Long term, the linear ‘approximation’ and non-linear reality must diverge. As now seems to be the case. Predicting the future using the closed linear ‘software’ of linear algebra has never been successful, because of the a priori assumption of a defined ‘steady state’ as the starting point. Coupled with the assumption of equality of the sum of terms over the period of analysis, no linear model can be used to predict the future with any degree of certainty. As is pointed out by Clifford Truesdell, Continental mathematicians replaced the unsolvable problem of Newtonian dynamics with an assumed model based on statics, perturbation around an assumed ‘steady state’. This required fixed boundary conditions and no ‘hidden variables’ not conforming to the rules of the software. That this failed for a mechanism as simple as a pendulum clock was proven by a Newtonian acolyte in the 18th century, John Harrison. Harrison’s prediction of, ‘A second in 100 days’ accumulated error has recently proved to be correct for a correctly adjusted clock to his non-linear design, subject to full environmental perturbation. The many variables and their complex interaction through the dynamics of weather, may produce a local condition the we define as ‘climate’ but that is purely temporary and it is nonsense to use that as a basis for an assumed ‘steady state’ unless the full dynamic model is understood.

    • June 27, 2024 10:13 pm

      The logic of UN climate theory seems to be that without human industrial activities the Little Ice Age would have lasted a lot longer, or even indefinitely.

  15. John permalink
    June 27, 2024 8:03 pm

    Dammit….there goes my great idea – that we i the West should send all of our landfill to the Maldives to build themselves up twenty feet. For us, no more landfill. For the Maldives, no more flooding. Win, win…

    Oh, well….back to the drawing board…..

  16. liardetg permalink
    June 27, 2024 8:53 pm

    Reminds me that the appalling BBC Shukman flew at my expense to the Sandwich islands to photograph HOUSES ON STILTS! Being a BBC illiterate he hadn’t read Arthur Grimble A Pattern of Islsnds pub 1920

    • dave permalink
      June 29, 2024 11:53 am

      “A Pattern of Islands.”

      I remember it as an excellent book. My parents received it as a”Book Of The Month Club” selection, in the 1950s. I seem to recall that Grimble was invited to a feast, and advised by another more experienced diplomat, “It is polite here to burp after eating and drinking to show you are full.” Grimble accordingly let out a huge eructation and there was shocked silence. The diplomat murmered, “I meant burp like your maiden aunt at the Ritz Hotel after a small cucumber sandwich, you fool!”

      There is something about houses on stilts. For the longest time we were told wisely that the ancient inhabitants of Switzerland lived in villages in the middle of lakes “for security.” It never seemed to occur to anthropologists that there is nothing secure about lake dwellings when other people have boats. Our ancestors were probably like us. They enjoyed to live by the water, for the fishing like as not, but did not care to get their feet wet.

  17. Tim Spence permalink
    June 27, 2024 10:09 pm

    Off Topic but I’m hearing that motor manufacturers will be forced to install ‘black box’ recorders in all vehicles, so that accidents can be fully analysed. Well, that is the pretence.

    With all new cars already having a huge quantity of microprocessors and microcontrollers it was obvious that big tech would want to cream that data and government would want it because they’re really just ‘Big Brother’ and want to issue more fines and have more control.

    They’re going to take all the enjoyment (freedom) out of driving whatever the future of EV or ICE.

  18. Phoenix44 permalink
    June 28, 2024 7:51 am

    “Scientists completely wrong about doom-mongering” would have been a more accurate title.

  19. europeanonion permalink
    June 29, 2024 10:17 am

    The Maldives seem eminently shrinkable, a volcanic base overlain by 3 Km shallow water carbonate deposits. There’s nothing like a continent if you want solidity. Can an island be washed away and can the world’s mighty rivers dump enough sediment to raise sea levels? Perhaps in some future that none of us will see that may be the case.

    • Gamecock permalink
      June 29, 2024 11:26 am

      Sediment? There is a 40,000 mile line of volcanoes in the oceans.

      Yes, sediment is a factor, but I think volcanoes dwarf it.

      The big fallacy with CC SLR is the assumption that the oceans are a fixed basin. Think the size of the glass keeps changing, half empty today may not be half empty tomorrow.

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