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David Viner’s Thing Of The Past Comes Back To Haunt Him (Again!)

December 10, 2017

By Paul Homewood


David Viner – March 2000

“Within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event"”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,"


Police forces and highway agencies across the UK have urged people not to travel unless 'absolutely necessary' as they deal with surging calls (pictured: An overturned van in Titley, Herefordshire

Titley, Herefordshire – Dec 2017




Leadhills, South Lanarkshire – Jan 2017

Nekko Sammann sledges in the snow at Alexandra Palace in north London, 17 January 2016.

Alexandra Palace, London – Jan 2016

Lancashire – Jan 2015


Sheffield – Dec 2014



Snow in Scarborough

Snow in Scarborough, North Yorkshire – Jan 2013



Snowy scenes as freezing conditions come to the UK – Feb 2012



snow to return to southern UK

Large parts of England and Wales could get as much as 10cm of snow today – Jan 2011



Thigh deep snow in Sheffield – Dec 2010



Winter weather: Baboons at Knowsley Safari Park

Baboons at Knowsley Safari Park try to keep warm with hot potatoes – Jan 2010




London  – Feb 2009



A man walking dogs in snow in Co Durham on 5th April

Snow falls across much of UK – April 2008 



A postman in the snow in Newport Pagnell, Bucks

Snow hits schools and travellers – Feb 2007





David Viner – March 2000

“Within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event"”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,"



As the saying goes, “Pictures speak louder than words”.


Or, as the other saying goes, “What a prat!”

  1. Brooke permalink
    December 10, 2017 8:37 pm

    Sow in London today is disrupting roads and public transport……

    • December 10, 2017 9:00 pm

      These pigs get everywhere!

      • AlecM permalink
        December 11, 2017 1:01 pm

        Ms Dent-Coad no doubt?

  2. David Richardson permalink
    December 10, 2017 8:40 pm

    Yes judging by the amount of snow we have had Paul – Children just aren’t going to know what a real Climate Scientist is,

    • Joe Public permalink
      December 10, 2017 9:42 pm


    • December 10, 2017 9:59 pm

      Hah, real data is so last-century, models are supreme, and science now has obligatory courses on emoting and social justice, you won’t get that degree if you mention unhelpful data, and you won’t get mega-bucks from the BBC if you’re not “concerned” about something.

  3. Chris Lynch permalink
    December 10, 2017 8:43 pm

    The snow that was a thing of the past is covering most of Ireland today too.

    • Graeme No.3 permalink
      December 11, 2017 5:05 am

      Perhaps if David Viner had said “Within a few years NO winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event” he might have got more respect.

  4. HotScot permalink
    December 10, 2017 9:04 pm

    I wish David Viner were correct.

    As much as I like the look of the stuff, and much prefer a cold climate to a hot one, I see little benefit of snow other than kids having fun. But the health & safety brigade have infected even that.

    • John189 permalink
      December 10, 2017 9:18 pm

      If i remember correctly a lot of the no snow nonsense emanated from the University of Reading. Bangor University chipped in with a ‘no snow on Snowdon ‘ prediction in 2006 or 2007. No snow was all the rage until 2008-9, 2009-10 and December 2010, and not forgetting huge falls of snow in the cold March of 2013.

      • HotScot permalink
        December 11, 2017 8:00 am


        They caught a cold on that one.


  5. johnbuk permalink
    December 10, 2017 9:11 pm

    I think you’ll find the Met Office will have this down as the hottest day of the century (or it soon will be).

    • Athelstan permalink
      December 10, 2017 11:49 pm

      I like to walk, I’ve got all the heavy gear and used to enjoy tramping in the my trossachs – nuff of that.

      Hmm, anyway long story short, I nipped out on Friday just to stick a letter in the post box and to get some stuff from the local butty shop, I only put on a relatively thick but inadequate Nike top, as I walked up and around a corner into the norther, crikey everything went smaller and my eyes – teared, I couldn’t see and I thought for flippen ‘ells sakes, that’s cold……………………Saturday the winter trousers and cag’, scarf, fleece and layers went on. Ice axe?……………….. not needed just yet.

  6. quaesoveritas permalink
    December 10, 2017 9:40 pm

    To be fair, snow has always been a “rare and exiting event” in the UK.
    His mistake was saying that “climate change” was the cause of that.

    • daver permalink
      December 10, 2017 10:18 pm

      No. Snow is much the very Scottish norm. Quite important is the melt component via processs. Lots of dosh depends on freezing and rates. Personally, I’d sack the bammers.

      • Mike Jackson permalink
        December 10, 2017 10:44 pm

        I lived on the east side of the Pentlands for nearly 40 years. For most of that time we expected three measurable falls — the November storm possibly giving us three or four inches and lasting about a week, the New Year storm which could appear any time from Christmas to mid-January and could be anything from six inches to a couple of feet and might hang about until late February in a cold year, and the March storm, which my old farming friends in Northumberland used to call the lambing storm, which was the most unpredictable of the lot. It might come, or not, and it might be an inch or two or it might be a couple of feet of fluff!

        The worst years I recall were 79, 81,and 96 and Viner was not altogether to blame for his comment at the time. The winters certainly appeared shorter (and Spring, we thought, was later, not earlier oddly enough) as we went through the 90s.

        Then of course we had 2007,2008, 2009,and 2010 with the infamous fall at the end of March 2010 that dumped two feet on us in the space of as many hours!

        At no time did I, or any of my neighbours and friends (with a couple of predictable exceptions!) see this as anything but weather! I would argue we have been proved right and this year looks like confirming it. We have already had about 10cm here in southern Burgundy and friends 75km away in the vineyards have had twice that much! The earliest snow in this département for at least 30 years, I’m told.

        Make of that what you will. Global warming it ain’t.

      • Ben Vorlich permalink
        December 10, 2017 11:24 pm

        Mike Jackson
        I have similar memories from my Perthshire childhood. Snow on the high tops (2500+ft) before October. Then a proper fall in November, a fall between Christmas and mid January and then a spring fall. There would be other lighter falls in between and exceptional winters when snow lingered longer and was topped up more frequently. 1963 being the most severe of the latter.

        The spring fall was the most problematic for hill sheep farmers. I can remember a kitchen full of lambs being revived, blocked roads on Good Friday. The wet heavy snow in spring was a real lamb killer if it came in the wrong week.

      • daver permalink
        December 11, 2017 1:39 am

        Quite the polar. And quite the oceanic equivalent..It’s a heat thing involving exhaust.

  7. Broadlands permalink
    December 10, 2017 10:09 pm

    Is it possible that this is just part of the “hiatus”? But, of course that was debunked as an artefact wasn’t it?

  8. December 10, 2017 10:17 pm

    ROFL and all that, but he’s still out there, working in the private sector, giving people advice on how to combat the effects of climate change…

  9. December 10, 2017 10:58 pm

    cold = weather warm = climate

  10. markl permalink
    December 10, 2017 11:00 pm

    The same can be said of all the CAGW prognistications/prophesies that have come and gone and we should be outing all of them. One could make a weekly 1/2 hour TV comedy show from them and never want for material. Why don’t people know more about these failed predictions?

    • tom0mason permalink
      December 11, 2017 11:40 am

      “Why don’t people know more about these failed predictions?”

      Twitter, the sales, Money matters, Celebrity get me …, TV drama, Diet, Strictly Come Celebrity Bake Off, Save the Blue Planet, whispered rumors, The Weather! Holiday, Facebook, Fuel/Electricity prices, School stuff, YouTube, virtualized gossip channels e.g. whatsApp, etc…
      Lives filled to bursting with the sparkling tinsel of imagined problems and oh so important distractions. That’s why.

      One Carrington event and modern lives may pay more attention.

  11. David Richardson permalink
    December 10, 2017 11:21 pm

    The worst thing is the fact that Viner is still making a really good living telling people he can forecast how the climate will change.

    December 2010 was, I think, a wake-up call for some managers responsible for snow clearance and gritting. Quite a few councils were caught with inadequte equipment and low stock of salt, having been told it would be a mild winter.

    • Broadlands permalink
      December 11, 2017 3:21 am

      David… “The worst thing is the fact that Viner is still making a really good living telling people he can forecast how the climate will change.”

      Bingo! All that is designed also to keep the tax-payers funding that “urgency”… for more research needed to confirm the science that we are told is” settled”? Gulliber’s Travels?

    • Bitter&twisted permalink
      December 11, 2017 8:11 am

      Are you really saying that the prat, Viner, is still employed?
      His employers must be as moronic as he is.

      • waterside4 permalink
        December 11, 2017 2:45 pm

        So who employs him?
        BTW another beautiful bright (blindingly bright) December day here in Carnoustie. No snow or snowflakes here.
        Golfed on Saturday and again tomorrow, with underwear to suit and pink balls.
        The only downside – we are on winter temporary greens.

  12. John F. Hultquist permalink
    December 10, 2017 11:49 pm

    Within a few years …

    Numerically “few” is a fuzzy thing. Perhaps Bill Clinton can help.
    With a thought given to “Deep Time”, few could mean 80,000 to 10 million years.

    Just for the record, here in central Washington State, under high pressure we are cold (-3°C) with no snow.

    That’s a nice collection of snow photos.

    • Broadlands permalink
      December 11, 2017 4:40 pm

      John…Washington State? Coldest November was in 1985. The warmest 1899 (in a tie with 2016). Data from NOAA, but they lower older temperatures so these numbers are uncertain.

  13. December 11, 2017 1:11 am

    Someone told me this new BBC page on plastics has errors
    he didn’t say what

  14. L. Douglas permalink
    December 11, 2017 2:05 am

    “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,”

    Given how Orwellian the CAGW gang is, I suppose they’ll just brand the word “snow” as racist (etc.), ban its use (the “s word!!!”) and replace it with some new color/gender neutral term. Then future children won’t know what snow is and they can claim to be right.

  15. December 11, 2017 2:39 am

    Reblogged this on Climatism and commented:

    Hot = Climate
    Cold = Weather

  16. L. Douglas permalink
    December 11, 2017 2:48 am

    Now I understand.

    David Viner or D. Viner for short.

    And what does a D. Viner do? According to Bing, which has added an “i” for some reason, they


    discover (something) by guesswork or intuition:
    “his brother usually divined his ulterior motives” · [more]
    synonyms: guess · surmise · conjecture · deduce · infer · discern · intuit · perceive · [more]
    have supernatural or magical insight into (future events):
    “frauds who claimed to divine the future in chickens’ entrails”
    synonyms: foretell · predict · prophesy · forecast · foresee · prognosticate”

    Maybe the chicken entrails climate models are a little off.

  17. AlecM permalink
    December 11, 2017 6:25 am

    Another bleedin’ climate fraudster, unable to understand that his prognostications are based on 5 basic errors in radiative physics.

    It really pees me off that these unprofessional people have been rewarded to tell scientific lies to enrich the oligarchs who manipulate the lefty, greenie politicians to deceive, on behalf of their owners, the public.


  18. December 11, 2017 6:51 am

    “David Viner’s Thing Of The Past Comes Back To Haunt Him (Again!)” I don’t think so. These climate alarmists just carry on regardless of the truth.

    • Bitter&twisted permalink
      December 11, 2017 8:13 am

      All water off a duck’s back to fraudsters like the AGW mafia.

  19. December 11, 2017 9:48 am

    So a few extra parts per million of CO2 couldn’t stop Arctic air travelling south now and again.

    What a shocker for know-it-all climate alarmists.

  20. Green Sand permalink
    December 11, 2017 10:24 am

    Power gen getting a little tight:-

    Coal flat out and CCGT near peak, nucs limited – outages at Sizewell, Heyshamand Hartlepool. No solar, not much wind, not much on the interconnectors so already using pumped storage.

    • Athelstan permalink
      December 11, 2017 12:37 pm

      Thanks for the heads up, Green Sand,

      although……….actually I didn’t dare look because, I fear it, the longer the cold snap endures the nearer we are to freez-a-geddon and a outage and perishing thought is that, it will cause such a spike in the deaths of vulnerable people it is barely imaginable certainly never desirable and, I really mean that, my ma ain’t getting any younger……………she’s strongish at the minute but very susceptible to chest infections.

    • Alaskan Sea permalink
      December 11, 2017 3:48 pm

      I was looking at Gridwatch this morning, think I’ll get the generator out the shed!

  21. tom0mason permalink
    December 11, 2017 11:16 am

    The solar cycle is approaching solar minimum, we’re not there yet. Another 2 to 4 year (by 2020 or so) before the next solar cycle will move on to SC25, that’s 3 years or so of cooling and slightly shorter growing seasons. (see )

    Then another 2 years or so before solar cycle 25 starts to really assert some warming, there’s least 6 year before we’re into the peak from solar cycle 25 taking us to 2028 or so. Many solar researchers also believe that solar cycle 25 will be even lower than our current solar cycle 24 — we shall see. Whatever happens by the late 2030s we’ll be back on the declining solar cycle.
    I wonder what food prices will do between now and then, I wonder how reliable the UK (the whole European) electricity supply will be by then, I wonder who will control the fuel supply by then.

    I also wonder why the UN-IPCC picked 2020 as the date for the Paris Agreement or ‘Accord de Paris’ to be done and dusted? ‘Accord de Paris’ mandates, … $100 billion a year in climate finance by 2020 from Western democracies. (see )

    We live in interesting times.

  22. December 11, 2017 11:43 am

    I’m afraid David Attenborough was at it again last night at the close of Blue Planet 11. Earnestly pushing a scientist to agree that Miami would disappear under 1 to 2 mtrs of water by the end of this century. And that this could be entirely prevented just by pursuing windmills and solar energy. I’m sure he’s a voracious reader so must know that renewables can never entirely replace fossil fuels. It’s an entirely misleading message he wants to to put over. I do of course share his concern about plastic pollution. I wonder if he’s considered netting across the major polluting rivers!!

  23. Bloke down the pub permalink
    December 11, 2017 12:26 pm

    To be fair to David Viner, (I don’t know why I should, but I’ll try) his quote
    “Within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event””.

    “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,”

    is mostly correct. Snowfall is a rare and exciting event for most of the UK. Where I live, this latest offering is the first decent covering of snow in years. There will certainly be young children for whom this is a new experience, something they did not know before.

    • Athelstan permalink
      December 11, 2017 12:48 pm

      to be fair, we know well what Viner was driving at, indeed, the outre ultras globull warblers, some constantly banged on about it, as if we were going to become some sun soaked Mediterranean even sub tropical outlier. For those born in the 50’s and 60’s warm winters were unusual, in the north – snow was the norm. Needless to say, we are lucky, unless some volcano goes up [Iceland usually] we do have relatively mild winters. Also, when one is alert to the fact that our island is at +50N latitude and by comparison with the Labrador coast there is no comparison, nor in NZ which is further ‘north’ and nearer to the equator………. if you ken what I mean, we have milder winters than they. Lucky we are, viner is just another warmist squawk box.

  24. Chris Lynch permalink
    December 11, 2017 2:41 pm

    Am I correct in saying that the UK Met Office predicted that this winter would be the stormiest and mildest in the British Isles on record?

    • catweazle666 permalink
      December 13, 2017 10:24 pm

      Certainly not up here in the Yorkshire Dales at any rate.
      Mildest winter would be 1998, don’t know about stormiest, but I doubt this is it.

  25. Green Sand permalink
    December 11, 2017 4:16 pm

    Looks like the DT have got another live one! – Ashley Kirk? New to me

    ‘What is Britain doing to tackle flooding in the face of extreme weather?'</b?

    “The UK is set to be hit by a vicious combination of extreme storms, intense downpours and rising sea levels as it faces the next century……

  26. Brad permalink
    December 11, 2017 6:05 pm

    Is there any evidence that anyone has approached this guy with his CAGW prediction failure? It’s alright to bemoan his ridiculous statements but until he is confronted and makes a statement, to him, he is correct and present. If I missed it, disregard this comment.

    If he does make a statement, it will be in defense of hid prediction. CAGW believers are never wrong.

  27. Rudolph Hucker permalink
    December 11, 2017 8:39 pm

    In the Biggest Prats. Competition the politians are the winners, as they believe the tripe fed to them by ‘clever scientists’! and pay them large amounts of other people’s money!

  28. tannngl permalink
    December 11, 2017 8:47 pm

    As they say: That statement did not age well. LOL!!!

  29. JabbaTheCat permalink
    December 12, 2017 8:24 am

    “Or, as the other saying goes, “What a prat!””
    👍 👏 😹

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