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Labour Unveils Carbon Neutral Plans

October 26, 2019
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By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Robin Guenier

 

 

Labour have just published their plans for a zero carbon Britain.

It is basically just a rehash of the CCC’s plan, but accelerated with an objective of zero carbon by 2040. Nowhere is there any mention of what is happening to global emissions.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/23/labour-unveils-plans-for-carbon-neutral-energy-system-by-2030s

 

 

Below are the targets for 2030:

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https://labour.org.uk/press/labour-welcomes-report-putting-uk-onto-the-path-to-net-zero-energy-emissions-in-the-2030s/ 

  

The report is remarkably short of any data on costs, unsurprising for Corbyn’s party, but it does offer this:

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1.9% of GDP amounts to roughly £40bn a year. Bear in mind, this is just the annual cost up to 2030. The CCC reckon that costs will increase as we get closer to 2050, because the easy actions will already have been carried out.

But, with the help of a magic pen, the report calculates that there will actually be a net benefit to the UK economy of £800bn by 2030. It’s amazing how spending money ends up saving a fortune! You would have thought every country would be doing the same if it was so easy!

But more on that later.

First, the four elements to the plan:

1) Energy wastage

This involves retrofitting almost all of the UK’s 27 million homes by 2030. It is not clear who will end up paying for this. Will the government, for instance, pay for the well off to insulate their own homes?

If we guesstimate a cost of £10000 per home, you would be looking at a cost of £270bn, or £27bn a year if we start now.

Given that many homes are already well insulated, have condensing boilers and double glazing, any further improvements won’t be cheap.

And, of course, the real question is how do the energy savings stack up against the costs?

 

2) Decarbonising heating

The report merely follows the CCC’s route of heat pumps and hydrogen for heating, although it acknowledges that hydrogen cannot be rolled out in bulk until well after 2030.

The first part of the plan therefore is to convert all homes to electrical heating by 2030. This will mean more than 25 million homes. According to the CCC, the cost of installing air heat pumps and associated equipment is around £10000, so we have a cost of £250bn for this part of the plan.

We also know that heat pumps are more expensive to run than gas boilers, so there will be no offsetting saving.

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Homes will still need their existing heating systems, as neither heat pumps nor the grid can meet peak demands in cold weather. For that, they will eventually need to convert to hydrogen. As the report notes, there are huge obstacles in the way of a hydrogen solution, and we are a long way from even rolling it out.

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One particularly interesting section of the report has this to say about electrolysis, which is often bandied about as the answer to all our problems, not least energy storage:

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It is something I have been arguing for a long time – that electrolysis is not a large scale or cost effective solution, either to heating requirements or as a store of surplus renewable power. 

  

3) Renewable electricity

This is based around increasing wind and solar capacity to 82 GW and 35GW respectively (currently 22 GW and 13 GW):

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Wind and solar are projected to provide 74% of total generation by 2030:

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Dispatchable capacity, from gas, nuclear and biomass, is set at 55 GW, well below likely demand. The report does not appear to mention what peak demand will be, but based on total generation, it would look to be about 65 GW.

Arithmetically, the generation numbers broadly stack up, but this assumes that all of the renewable output is usable and available when it is actually needed. More on this in the next section, but first a quick look at costs.

The report mentions a recent study by UCL, which looked at how the grid could run stably with a high renewable penetration. Based on a similar mix to the Labour one, UCH reckon the Levelised Cost of Electricity will work out at £90/MWh. This includes the extra cost involved of transmission grid enhancements, storage etc.

Current wholesale prices are around £50/MWh. With projected annual generation of 392 TWh, the extra £40/MWh will cost £16bn a year. This tallies with the report’s finding that higher energy prices could cost between £10.6 and £16.4bn a year. (Though they claim that this will be offset by reduced energy usage, this does not factor in the extra cost of insulation etc):

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4) Balancing the system

The $64000 question!

The report goes into some detail on all of the problems with weather dependent renewables, but offers little idea how it can be managed, other than trotting out the usual mantra of battery storage, smart meters and interconnectors.

There seems to be no recognition of the enormous storage which would be needed to meet seasonal variations in supply and demand, a problem which smart meters cannot help to solve. Nor is there any concern raised about our reliance on imported electricity.

There is a lot of wishful thinking in the report, that viable solutions will be found. Nevertheless, it accepts that we will need to maintain the current backup gas generation, just in case!

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5) The Economics

We must now return to the claim that, despite spending hundreds of billions on decarbonisation, the economy will actually be £800bn better off.

This is based around the fallacy that all of these new green jobs will boost GDP, incomes and government revenues:

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This is a nonsense.

All of the resources needed for the decarbonisation programme, labour, materials and capital, all have to be taken from elsewhere in the economy. GDP growth can only result if they are used more productively.

All the evidence, of course, points that other way. The hundreds of billions spent will not create extra wealth, as it will only replace what we have already got.

By coincidence, Jeremy Warner wrote a piece yesterday, claiming that fighting climate change could reboot the world’s economy, just as Roosevelt’s new deal did, (rather missing the point that there was mass unemployment back then).

It earned this riposte:

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6) Green jobs

As mentioned, the report peddles the green job illusion:

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I noted earlier that no costs were given for the retrofitting of homes for energy saving. But the new jobs projection offers a clue. At an annual cost of say £50000, 459,500 jobs would cost £23bn a year. My guesstimate was £27bn.

£50000 per job may sound high, but is not unreasonable when employment costs, travel and materials are added.

And there is a further drawback – what happens to these 459000 workers, when all homes are retrofitted in 2030? Back on the dole queue?

The obvious question though is where will all of these new employees come from? In practical terms we pretty much have full employment.

In fact the report actually notes that these are not necessarily additional jobs:

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Moving workers around from one industry to another may look good on a socialist economic planning board, but is quite another thing in the real world.

But will a worker at an oil refinery or car factory be happy to lose his job and become a double glazing fitter instead? Or move to Grimsby to work on offshore wind farms? And the idea that the new jobs will be better paid is pure fantasy.

And let there be no doubt about this. This plan will cause massive dislocation to UK industry and impose intolerable costs.

I find it extraordinary that the Labour party would come up with proposals which will inevitable result in massive upheaval, heartache and loss of income to so many workers up and down the country.

And all at a cost of over £50bn a year!

43 Comments
  1. October 26, 2019 1:33 pm

    Reblogged this on Climate- Science.press.

  2. john cooknell permalink
    October 26, 2019 2:08 pm

    Labour is going to ban fracking so how does this work?

    why insulate homes at great cost when they believe the UK climate will be like Barcelona?

    • Chaswarnertoo permalink
      October 26, 2019 10:49 pm

      You and your logic. Factmonger!😇

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      October 27, 2019 8:05 am

      The basic error is taking a meaningless figure – average global temperature – and using it for local policies. Most days at most times in the UK the temperature is indistinguishable from “normal”. The terrible climate change we are suffering here is only visible in statistics – and dubious ones at that. Is thus morning half a degree warmer that it would have been without CO2? Impossible to know. Has this week been wetter or dryer than it should have been? Impossible to know. But it has not been outside natural variation in any way.

  3. Broadlands permalink
    October 26, 2019 2:08 pm

    This is essentially governments attempting to rapidly reduce carbon emissions with the goal of net-zero. The only way that this can be accomplished is by cutting off the supply of fossil fuel energy with the hope that the demand dwindles. This is unlikely to happen given the many needs for transportation alone. When, if push comes to shove, the pressure on economies will become intense and something will have to give. The suppliers…refineries and coal mines will have to close or lay off people? The buyers are the public and will have to dramatically change their lives and standards of living. Burning the candle at both ends? Not a well conceived idea. Remember, reducing carbon emissions does not lower the CO2 already added…now at 415 ppm. It serves to keep carbon in the ground and little more. If lowering some of what has already been added is a goal, the alternative energies will have to do the job. They are ill-equipped to store the billions of tons needed…especially if 350 ppm is that goal… half-a-trillion tons of oxidized carbon.

  4. Douglas Brodie permalink
    October 26, 2019 2:24 pm

    Labour’s plan is the economics of the madhouse, made all the worse through being based on technological and political wishful thinking and climate pseudo-science, the latter needless to say unverified by empirical evidence or even any plausible observational evidence.

    The cost of net zero emissions has been estimated at over £1 trillion (some say much more) yet the best it could give us in the unlikely event that it were pursued to completion would be an energy infrastructure which is ultra expensive (at least £50 billion per year), uncompetitive (most other countries will not hobble themselves in this way), insecure (insufficient baseload, reliance on uncertain electricity imports), short lifespan (offshore wind), technically unstable (low inertia), dangerous (CCS, household hydrogen) and in reality not particularly green.

    Yet these same nutters think they also know better than the electorate on Brexit! Whatever the outcome of Brexit it will surely be a stroll in the park compared to the pointless damage and suffering resulting from net zero emissions.

  5. JimW permalink
    October 26, 2019 2:24 pm

    Ah ,Wrong-Daily does it again!
    A little detail Carney and his cohorts may have missed. Faced with ridiculous expenditure on the housing stock, guess what will happen to house prices. And what keeps the banks from catering, the very thing Carney et al have been spending the years since 2008 protecting?
    As Mr Bland so eliquently put ‘ and they wonder why we’ve all lost faith in the experts’.

  6. Gamecock permalink
    October 26, 2019 2:32 pm

    I knew this would happen! They couldn’t let May’s 2050 stand; they had to one-up her!

  7. Gamecock permalink
    October 26, 2019 2:39 pm

    2) ‘The first part of the plan therefore is to convert all homes to electrical heating by 2030.’

    3) ‘Wind and solar are projected to provide 74% of total generation by 2030’

    Millions will die.

  8. October 26, 2019 2:56 pm

    Simply follow these cut out and keep guidelines for a low emissions lifestyle;

    Private cars need to be impounded and assuming journeys are necessary in the first place, travel only by bus, cycling, walking or train. For students, no parents taxi service. No flying except in an emergency so obviously no foreign holidays and forget ski-ing. No spring water in plastic bottles, No imported food or food out of season when there is a local alternative.

    No Burgers and little other meat, dairy or fish, no hot daily showers, an embargo on throw away fashion clothes and shoes, no cotton. Infrequent washing of clothes in tepid water and no artificial drying. Drastic reductions of energy guzzling internet and social media, with environmentally damaging smart phones and computers rationed to one a household and kept for years, and curtailment of consumer good purchases. Accept carbon rationing.

    Curtail consumption of habitat destroying coffee and forego endless home deliveries, whether fast food or shoes. Cease attendance at festivals or sporting events, especially overseas or with floodlights. .

    Boycott new content on tv or film especially when made overseas,Minimal home heating. No cooking or heating with gas, expect regular power cuts. Curtail vegan foods which have achieved mythical planet saving status, despite many vegan ingredients being imported –often by air-bearing huge carbon footprints.

    Presumably the local young activists believing in this ‘climate emergency’ and the various groups agitating for zero emissions by 2025 have already taken their own drastic steps to try to prevent it by selflessly regressing to the 18th century and might like to inform the rest of us which measures they have personally implemented?

    Contributions from publicity seeking but hypocritical celebs and Royals especially welcome.

    tonyb

    • Bertie permalink
      October 26, 2019 9:35 pm

      Socialist nirvana!

  9. Dave Ward permalink
    October 26, 2019 3:12 pm

    Implantation of demand side response” Not even the correct word – unless they are planning to “chip” everybody, and link those chips with smart meters? But in any case we all know what it means – cutting millions off when supply isn’t up to the job.

    “But will a worker at an oil refinery or car factory be happy to lose his job and become a double glazing fitter instead?”

    They probably won’t have any choice in the matter…

  10. David permalink
    October 26, 2019 3:36 pm

    In our miserable chilly climate MORE domestic heating should be encouraged, both for reasonable comfort and health reasons. Many elderly people die of hypothermia.

    • Chaswarnertoo permalink
      October 26, 2019 10:52 pm

      That’s a feature, not a glitch. Must make room for those new voters, somehow.

  11. A C Osborn permalink
    October 26, 2019 3:53 pm

    Solar Panels are made abroad, so are most of the components of Wind Turbine, so all those jobs won’t be here.
    Since when has having 10 times as many people making what 1 person used to make a good thing?

  12. Athelstan. permalink
    October 26, 2019 4:10 pm

    Mmm luvly jubbly and journey to a cold hard place just, right next to in fact the very big rock of economic insanity – the beeb and roger horrorbin will be wetting themselves at this, easy ride on the sofa from marr and the talking head ‘experts’ – wot’s not to like, huh?

    Climate airhead policy from the Bolshevik mental party.

    The very worrying thing, some people will vote for them.

    The other very, very worrying thing, the tories, yellows and greens, also all signed up to this ‘zero carbon’ lunacy.

    If you can, emigrate: get out of Britain asap.

    • October 26, 2019 4:28 pm

      trouble is that the eu are just as carbon mad

      • Athelstan. permalink
        October 27, 2019 11:47 am

        Not in Poland and the Visegrad members.

        Germany is revamping its lignite burning electrical generation plants, the lies go on, thus do not believe that aught the eu say, in the UK the EU emissions limitations b0ll0x is the pretext for our simpleton mps and the corporate blob who kick their arses.

        A south sea Island looks good, one which still believes in God, Samoa might do and they don’t need so much coal to keep warm – either.

      • October 27, 2019 5:14 pm

        Athelstan

        True, but Poland is not calling the shots. I am aware of German hypocrisy but they manage to somehow have this aura of virtue. Personally I would reopen the coal seams under Drax but I suspect that would not be popular in the salons of Islington.

      • Athelstan. permalink
        October 27, 2019 8:06 pm

        I hear you, no argument – either.

        😉

    • M E permalink
      October 28, 2019 8:17 am

      Don’t come to New Zealand. Jacinda Ardern subscribes to the same methods of ‘carbon’ reduction. No MPs or Councillors seem to want to reply when asked to define Carbon.
      Boycott news sites and printed press and tell them you are doing it. They depend on advertisements for revenue.

  13. NeilC permalink
    October 26, 2019 4:58 pm

    Have they even thought about the fact the UK supposed contribution is only 0.23ppm. Also the fact the correlation between the CET and CO2 for the last 21 years has been negative.
    Lunatics.

    • Chaswarnertoo permalink
      October 26, 2019 10:44 pm

      Evil, lying lunatics. FTFY.

    • October 27, 2019 5:17 pm

      According to Nature Magazine if we become a zero emission nation by 2050 that would have the effect of lowering temperatures by 3 hundredths of a degree.

      Personally I can’t understand all the fuss about brexit when May-without any debate-signed us up to throwing a trillion pounds away. Why was there no scrutiny?

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 1, 2019 10:12 pm

      “Have they even thought about the fact the UK supposed contribution is only 0.23ppm.”

      Ridiculous lie. It’s 0.04%.

      96%+ is natural. UK production is 1% of man made contribution.

  14. A man of no rank permalink
    October 26, 2019 5:35 pm

    On hydrogen, yet again!
    I presume most of it will be combusted with air to provide heat. So we will produce tonnes of the IR adsorbing water vapour. As the atmosphere warms up then more surface (liquid) water will evapourate and even more IR will be adsorbed, ad infinitum.
    The NOAA, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, admit that the effect of atmospheric water vapour is not understood.It may well turn out to be a more potent greenhouse gas than our loathsome CO2.
    When the air, which is used to combust hydrogen, is subjected to high pressures and temperatues – how much NO2 will be produced? More or less than that from the combustion of fossil fuels?
    At least hydrogen will not generate lots of fine carbon particles – but don’t tell this to the Politicians.
    It will leak being such a small molecule, will cost a fortune to make and contain, and it is highly explosive. Dream on.

    • Iain Reid permalink
      October 27, 2019 9:09 am

      A man etc.,
      you say “It may well turn out to be a more potent greenhouse gas than our loathsome CO2.”

      Water vapour is the prime greenhouse gas, at about 2% or so of the atmosphere (Versus 0.04% CO2). It has a complex and largely ignored effect by the climate modellers. Where it blankets the earth it retains heat and at other times absorbs large amounts of heat and cools the atmosphere, rain, snow etc. Warm the atmosphere and more water vapour is produced.

      • A man of no rank permalink
        October 27, 2019 9:10 pm

        Thanks for your reply Ian and I agree with your comments.
        The bit about cooling the atmosphere is a line I rarely follow as I nerdishly search for information about IR absorption of say 1000 molecules of CO2 vs 1000 of H2O. I read that a molecule of water can absorb IR at 5 different wavelengths and CO2 at 3, but this doesn’t get me very far.
        What I am really trying to do is find simple explanations that warming by man-made CO2 is wrong.
        For instance, when telling an ex lorry driver that man-made CO2 represents one molecule in a thousand in our atmosphere and how hot does this one molecule have to be to warm all the others up by 1oC, he replies “it’s a scam isn’t it”.
        I search for a simple and accurate explanation along the lines that the water molecules swamp the man-made CO2 molecule to insignificance and even if the ratio was 1 to 1 the water molecule absorbs a lot more IR. (That last bit may not be true.)

  15. GeoffB permalink
    October 26, 2019 6:13 pm

    All because CO2 is considered a pollutant. They actually teach that in school to 8 year olds
    No wonder all these children and their parents are out campaigning, how do we educate them that the science of CO2 emissions increasing temperature to dangerous levels is just a theory and so far not proven. Warming only took place 1975 to 1995, for the past 24 years there has been no increase. Thanks Paul for exposing the fallacy of this plan. We can only hope when Boris gets Brexit over he goes back to his friend Piers Corbyn and resumes his cynical approach to climate change emergency.

    • Chaswarnertoo permalink
      October 26, 2019 10:46 pm

      8 year olds believe in Father Xmas. This is child abuse.

  16. Graeme No.3 permalink
    October 26, 2019 9:53 pm

    The Labor party lost the last Australian election with a policy less lunatic than this, and is in the process (under a new left wing leader) of “re-adjusting” its policies.

  17. martinbrumby permalink
    October 26, 2019 10:03 pm

    I wouldn’t worry too much about all the green jobs.
    You forgot the brilliant other policy, totally open borders, close all detention centres, stop all deportations, give full benefits, full NHS access and (for those over 16 years old), the vote from day one.
    No doubt they will continue the current policy of having the Navy work with the people traffickers by picking up anyone off the coast of North Africa.
    So, there will be plenty of hands.
    Whether many will be willing to, or capable of, carrying out these jobs, is another matter.
    But hey! It is just another example of how much the Labia party hate the UK.
    Venezuela here we come!

  18. Douglas Brodie permalink
    October 26, 2019 10:59 pm

    In the course of an ongoing war of words with UK Climate Secretary Andrea Leadsom and the BEIS on the vexed subject of climate change I belatedly realised that if the greenhouse gas theory of global warming has any relevance at all to climate change, which observational evidence indicates it does not as far as man-made CO2 is concerned, the UK long ago stopped contributing to alleged man-made global warming. So why are our politicians so hysterical about needing to tackle their imaginary climate emergency?

    As a layman I could be wrong on this, in which case I would be grateful if anyone could show if I am mistaken. My full correspondence to date, which I have defied Mrs Leadsom to rebut – which I don’t believe she can so I doubt if she will reply – is online here: https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/the-case-against-net-zero-co2-emissions-2/

    • October 27, 2019 1:48 am

      I suspect you will never receive a scientific reply by any of these leaders and their minions. I read their response to your letter and it was a pathetic packet of stock ACC talking points, unsupported by current facts.

  19. October 27, 2019 1:50 am

    In terms of item# 1, are we not still worried about buildings catching fire with hideous results from previous attempts to insulate the the buildings to make them more ‘green’?

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 1, 2019 10:15 pm

      I was under the impression that the problem was firemen . . . uh . . . firepersons . . . saying, “Nah, you don’t need to leave this burning building.”

  20. Steve permalink
    October 27, 2019 4:58 am

    The capacity for transport and industry seems to have been omitted. The CCC estimate for peak is 150GW. If 90% electricity is to be wind and solar, there needs to be storage for 2 weeks midwinter or gas reformed to hydrogen or carbon capture and nuclear for 100%. The scheme does not remotely work and could have been designed by Abbot and Long Bailey. By the way, retrofitting older houses will cost over £40k for insulation and over £20k for a hybrid heat pump.

  21. Phoenix44 permalink
    October 27, 2019 7:56 am

    If it costs £10,000 per home and payback is ten years, you need to save £1,000 a year from your heating costs. That’s more like 120%!

    As for “growth”, the claims take no account of opportunity cost. If this plan gives us the highest growth we could have, under all the scenarios then we would do it anyway. If it does not, then it gives us lower growth than what we would otherwise do – there is therefore an opportunity cost. Its obviously the latter and so will make us poorer than the alternatives – it might make us richer than we are now, but that’s not the test of investment.

  22. Nick permalink
    October 27, 2019 8:57 am

    Stage 1 worries me more than the rest. This is likely to affect me as a victorian/edwardian house owner. The house already has 25mm double glazing, loft and cavity wall insulation. Yet it is still expensive to heat. What would improve the property without destroying the architectural merit. Will Labour achieve their goals by compulsion. Will we be living in a grey concete clad soviet style block?

    • Steve permalink
      October 28, 2019 11:19 am

      For an eco house suitable for heat pumps with lukewarm temperature output, it will be necessary to use 7 inches of insulation on the inside or outside of the external wall with plasterboard or cladding. If multifoil is used instead the thickness is less but Building Control often does not accept this. Ground floor insulation is also necessary, involving taking up the floorboards. For loft rooms BC require insulation to party walls too. Glazing will be triple. Flues will be sealed and doors insulated and draughtstripped. A lobby to external door will be needed. Air heat exchangers will also be required.

  23. swan101 permalink
    October 27, 2019 6:05 pm

    Reblogged this on ECO-ENERGY DATABASE and commented:
    Terrifying and timely whistle blowing on these plans….

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