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Increase Taxes On Cars & Home Heating, Says Gummer

June 25, 2020
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By Paul Homewood

h/t Philip Bratby

 

Yet another one sided piece from Harrabin:

 

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Car taxes should be increased to help fund the battle against climate change, government advisers say.

They say ministers should bring forward the date for ending sales of new conventional cars from 2035 to 2032.

The Committee on Climate Change (CCC) says the chancellor should also consider increasing the tax on gas for home heating.

It says the changes should be made as the UK looks to recover from the Covid-19 crisis by creating jobs.

The CCC also recommends the country aim to cut carbon emissions as part of a “green recovery“.

It says the government has a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to change society for the better.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-53169600

 

Gummer qualifies it by saying that fuel tax should be increased while oil prices are low, but what happens when they go back up to normal again when the economy picks back up?

The simple fact is that the cost of decarbonisation is huge and will have to be paid by somebody. Higher taxes on motorists and people who have the temerity to own gas boilers is just the beginning.

 

As ever with Harrabin, he makes no attempt at all to elicit alternative views. Apart from the GWPF’s Benny Peiser, who states that he doubts the government will follow the CCC’s advice, Harrabin’s idea of balance is Baroness Brown, of the CCC, the climate activist ECIU (run by Harrabin’s predecessor Richard Black), and potty Kevin Anderson of the Tyndall Centre, who says that we need much more extreme policies.

This is a blatant breach of the BBC’s impartiality rules.

50 Comments
  1. Ray Sanders permalink
    June 25, 2020 10:19 am

    “This is a blatant breach of the BBC’s partiality rules.”
    Does anybody really still believe the BBC has “impartiality rules”
    i have three adult offspring aged 22, 26 and 28 who all live independently from me. None of them (quite legally) have a TV license nor do they consult the BBC website. When i asked my eldest why he was not interested in watching the BBC he replied “cos it’s all crap”!

    • Tom Scott permalink
      June 25, 2020 10:30 am

      This is a blatant breach of the BBC’s impartiality rules.

      I’d already copied the same piece of text to make broadly the same point. We need to tackle the BBC because it no longer speaks for the country. Harribin is an activist and should not be presenting what is supposed to be unbiased reporting.

      The problem is that lots of well educated people still believe that the BBC broadcasts facts and therefore they believe this nonsense.

      If we want to stop net zero, we need to stop the BBC first.

  2. Al Davies permalink
    June 25, 2020 10:32 am

    Is there a committee for sunrises or tides? It would make as much sense as allowing this bunch of posturing fools to dictate policy

    • June 25, 2020 11:20 am

      the battle against climate change

      Only exists in the heads of deluded alarmists like Harrabin.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        June 25, 2020 3:20 pm

        Not really as it also exists in the heads of politicians and those who make the rules and that is worse than a moron like Harrabin.

  3. June 25, 2020 10:34 am

    What happens when an electric car is plugged in to be recharged? What happens is that a fossil fuel power station increases its output, to meet the increase in demand.

    • Ray Sanders permalink
      June 25, 2020 11:47 am

      I endlessly bang on about this but it seems to be incredibly hard to get this point through some people’s heads. Renewables have never met (nor almost certainly never will) total demand. So as soon as an incremental load is plugged in, it can only be met by a fossil fuelled plant. The average “carbon intensity” of the grid is an irrelevant notion in these circumstances.

      • Mike Jackson permalink
        June 25, 2020 1:34 pm

        Ray, electricity is something that comes out of that three-hole white plastic panel on the wall. Innit?! What’s all this stuff about carbon and emissions got to do with it? You don’t make electricity. It just sort of is. Innit?

    • In the Real World permalink
      June 25, 2020 4:29 pm

      A government committee concluded , [ several years ago ,] that the idea of electric heating for domestic properties was impossible because , even if all houses were insulated up to the highest standards , it would need another 200 GWh of generation capacity .
      file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Terry/My%20Documents/Downloads/Parliamentary_Advisory_Group_on_CCS_-_Final_report%20(1).PDF.
      [ Lot of reading , or go to page 65 ]

      And if we went all electric cars that would need another 100 to 200 GWh on top of that .
      There is no way it would be possible to get 100 plus nuclear power stations built here , & the cost would be many £trillions .

      So the whole thing is just more Green bovine scatology .

      • In the Real World permalink
        June 25, 2020 4:53 pm

        It looks like my link to the ” Parliamentary Advisory Group On CCS 2016 Final Report “, does not work . I have it on file , but it might be that it has been made to disappear from the net because it shows up how they are lying now .

      • Stuart Brown permalink
        June 25, 2020 6:12 pm

        Looks like the link is to the file on your PC. This one?
        http://www.ccsassociation.org/news-and-events/reports-and-publications/parliamentary-advisory-group-on-ccs-report/

        Probably not the most direct link – but with the way WordPress is screwing up PDF files at the moment….

      • In the Real World permalink
        June 25, 2020 6:34 pm

        Stuart Brown . yes , that is the one .
        Thought the link would work , but then tried & could not find it except on my computer .
        Thanks for that .

  4. Graeme No.3 permalink
    June 25, 2020 10:43 am

    Tax all those who view the BBC. Oh! too late, you’re taxed whether you use it or not.
    Cancel that wild idea about raising revenue.
    How about a road mileage tax replacing the tax on fuel? No, won’t work as electric car drivers will scream and hold their breath until they turn blue in the face. Fortunately they will soon recognise they could be mistaken for Tories so will soon stop complaining.
    Cancel that revenue raising idea.
    How about giving all BBC announcers and environmental commentators a FREE EV (provided their household has no other type of vehicle) and make them charge up in daylight hours (when there is plenty of solar). That should keep them away from the mike or camera for long hours of peace.

  5. Howard Paul permalink
    June 25, 2020 10:43 am

    I am neither scientist nor engineer, but I love coming to this site, now from a land far away, and marvel at Paul’s research and the incredible knowledge of most commenters. A genuinely humbling experience. My background is a useless arts degree.

    But once a flood, it comes in useful. Because reading today’s BBC article by Harrabin took me back sixty years to my A Level English study of Hamlet when, returning incognito from being exiled in England, he asks the gravedigger why Hamlet was sent to England in the first place

    Gravedigger: Why, because he was mad. ……..’Twill not be seen in him there, for there the men are as mad as he.

    Reading Harrabin, Debden, et al, and recalling the pusillanimity of parliament on climate issues, we can but admire Shakespeare’s insight.

    • Bertie permalink
      June 25, 2020 11:56 am

      Useless ‘Arts Degree’?! (cough, cough)

    • C Lynch permalink
      June 25, 2020 5:19 pm

      Arts degrees are far from useless. I did one in history and English then a law degree and though I have no scientific qualification my humanist, history and legal training means I have an excellent nose for when someone is trying to spoof me. This CAGW movement has set off my bullshit alarm repeatedly from the get go.

  6. cajwbroomhill permalink
    June 25, 2020 10:58 am

    The UK’s MANMADE CO2 OUTPUT AS A PROPORTION OF THE PLANET”sTOTAL BEING ONE-THIRD OF 1%, THERE IS NOTHING TO BE GAINED BY THE PLANET FROM DECARBONISATION.
    HOWEVER, the crooks and chancers like Deben and probably Harrabin gain filthy lucre from the scam, like so many more, such as wind turbine snake oil merchants.
    That fact, along with ignorance and deception, keeps the fraud going, but “honest” politicos and scientists and environmental “charities” don’t want to know: what a disgrace and folly, especially in our nearbankrupt country..

  7. Chaswarnertoo permalink
    June 25, 2020 11:10 am

    Dear Ecomentalists, FOAD!

  8. June 25, 2020 11:10 am

    “The CCC also recommends the country aim to cut carbon emissions as part of a “green recovery“.
    It says the government has a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to change society for the better.”

    Does the CCC want a P?

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/05/18/12479/

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      June 25, 2020 12:24 pm

      While I get what you mean by asking if the CCC want a P (CCCP), I think that far from wanting one, they are taking one!

      • June 25, 2020 8:33 pm

        Sad but true. It’s where things are going on the back of the climate camel.

    • A man of no rank permalink
      June 25, 2020 1:03 pm

      On the CCC’s comments “home heating must shift from gas” they should have a word with my plumber.
      When he was servicing my gas boiler he asked me how thick would a cable have to be to deliver electric home heating? Then he added How thick will a cable be under your road to feed all the other houses on your street? HS2 funding will be a pittance.
      I seem to have missed the cost of copper and road digging in this advice document.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        June 25, 2020 3:42 pm

        You could deliver 3 phase to houses but then you get the fun of a phase to phase to phase potential difference of 415 volts. Your street supply already is 3 phase they just connect each house to a different phase.

        Joking aside, don’t forget the extra 40 or is it 70 Amps for the battery charger for the car. In terms of copper, just equipping us with battery cars will use most of the world’s supply so there won’t be much left for the cabling.

      • June 25, 2020 8:36 pm

        Yes sir. They should have a word or ten with the people who actually know the technical details of what they think they know.

  9. Gamecock permalink
    June 25, 2020 11:33 am

    ‘They say ministers should bring forward the date for ending sales of new conventional cars from 2035 to 2032.’

    How bold!

    Let’s see you make it 2022.

    • Mike Jackson permalink
      June 25, 2020 1:38 pm

      Provided this also applies to ministerial limousines wef 01.01.2032 I might just give it a go.

  10. Thomas Carr permalink
    June 25, 2020 11:35 am

    One of your best Paul.
    It is extraordinary that the likes of Deben have not understood the realities of the family budget , the undermining of industrial competitiveness and the impoverishment of our economy particularly the leisure industry in his former constituency. There’s going to be enough clearing up to do without introducing new tax burdens. Most of those expected to pay increased taxes will reduce their expenditure elsewhere and the law of diminishing returns will apply.

    • cajwbroomhill permalink
      June 25, 2020 3:49 pm

      Deben understands but does not care because he is i n corrupt receipt of filthy lucre.
      Nor can he care about the UK economy.
      What punishment has he earned?
      It should hit him personally in the pocket, pour encourager les autres!
      The rest of the parliamentarians should be forced to study these columns and Nigel Lawson’s GWPF messages.

  11. jack broughton permalink
    June 25, 2020 11:37 am

    As Chaamjamal notes the CCC needs a P. The CCC, and Horrorbin’s disciples in the “i” are waxing poetic about the one-off opportunity for Britain to squander £ 1b (plus a lot more) on showing the world how to commit hari-kari. They have 3 disciples, (Cuff, Bawden and Dyke) with lots of columns of total junk about how Britain must grab the post-Covid opportunity, the fate of penguins, the arctic temperature “record” etc. etc. no attempt whatsoever to balance the fake news of course.

  12. Phillip Bratby permalink
    June 25, 2020 11:40 am

    Do as the BBC says, not as the BBC does. The BBC has an enormous carbon footprint. Just observe the amount of traveling all its reporters do by air and by petrol vehicles. They are all hypocrites, totally brainwashed and biased. Of course the BBC is no different in that respect from Channel4, ITV etc etc.

  13. John Warren permalink
    June 25, 2020 12:03 pm

    Bicycles ! That’s the answer. The Chancellor is missing a trick. Put an annual tax on every bicycle. At least that might justify the use of the damned things on the roads, and help fill the coffers

  14. Up2snuff permalink
    June 25, 2020 12:15 pm

    John Selfish Gummer needed to connect his brain before opening his mouth on that one!

    Covid-19 is said to flourish in the cold and damp of a winter, the equivalent of being inside a meat packing plant for instance. Does the rich Lord Deben really want the poor in the UK bring back a national Pandemic and jamming up the NHS purely for the sake of Global Warming and Climate Change?

  15. Up2snuff permalink
    June 25, 2020 12:19 pm

    “Gummer qualifies it by saying that fuel tax should be increased while oil prices are low, but what happens when they go back up to normal again when the economy picks back up?”

    The oil price is back to normal @ $40 for Brent Crude. It has been higher in the past ten days.

  16. June 25, 2020 12:19 pm

    Deben of the House of Lords may well have worked diligently for Mrs Thatcher . He certainly is way past his sell by date today and is part of the 1/3 of HOL members who need retiring .
    His absurd pontificating is embarrassing and will no doubt prove utterly irrelevant in years to come . Sadly the BBC echo chamber is also part of this nonsense .

  17. Harry Passfield permalink
    June 25, 2020 12:30 pm

    I’m struggling to get my head round the idea that the state – a pluralistic and seemingly democratic one – can dictate that businesses close down and put thousands out of work. Or does British Gas and Worcester Bosch (to name but two) not count?

  18. Geoff B permalink
    June 25, 2020 12:35 pm

    The Climate Change Act is law and applies to the UK. To meet the requirements of the climate change act all the measures that the CCC are proposing and MORE will be required.
    John Gummer, Lord Deben has a remit to ensure the climate change act requirements are implemented. He is just doing his job.
    The more that he bangs on about it and makes people aware of the consequences of implementing the requirements of the act, then the greater the chance of a rebellion. Let him continue to demand ever more stringent requirements to decarbonise. Let us realise he maybe our best friend in bringing out into the open the dreadful consequences and costs of the net zero requirement. The act must be repealed, it is the only way to stop the madness.

  19. johnbillscott permalink
    June 25, 2020 1:56 pm

    Time for Boris to take a broad axe to all the lefty Quango’s and especially the CCC. Gummer is incompetent in all ways except lining his pockets with dirty green money – of course he does not see any conflict of interest as he like all profiteers/racketeers in the Eco-Industry being Green is an automatic pass.

  20. Broadlands permalink
    June 25, 2020 2:06 pm

    “Car taxes should be increased to help fund the battle against climate change, government advisers say.”

    Fund the battle? How will the tax money be used to accomplish that feat? Has anyone asked?

    • Gerry, England permalink
      June 25, 2020 3:35 pm

      Yes, they will train an army of people to hunt down CO2 molecules and destroy them probably using an app developed from the ‘world-beating’ virus track and trace app we have.

  21. Bill Hutchison permalink
    June 25, 2020 2:43 pm

    Please would all you commentators get involved in the political parties. We must convince the so-called political elite that the consequences of Net-Zero by 2050 will be totally unacceptable to voters. My guess is that when ordinary Joe and Joanne realise what is intended, Net-Zero will be as big an issue as Brexit. If the two main parties do not change, a Net-Zero “UKIP equivalent” party will emerge. That might even be a good thing!

    • Broadlands permalink
      June 25, 2020 3:09 pm

      it would help if they actually understood what Net-zero really means…

      ” Simply put, ‘net zero’ means achieving an overall balance between emissions that are created and emissions that are taken out of the atmosphere.”

      Taken out of the atmosphere! Captured and stored permanently. How will that be done by 2050 after emissions reach zero and in the amounts needed to do anything about the climate? Give them the numbers! Billions of tons of emissions to reach zero and then billons more directly from the atmosphere to reach net zero. Add up the costs per ton removed and stored Gigatrillions!

  22. Vernon E permalink
    June 25, 2020 3:37 pm

    We might as well all stop bleating about this rubbish – Paul does it for all of us. BUT don’t forget that politicos have to win elections and its already looking as though the next one will be close. If Farage, with some sensible policies, is snapping at the heels of the Tories then, at last, we may see some change. Keep the pressure on your MP’s, I say. Incidentally, I received a communication from mine that ALL MP’s receive the GWPF’s releases. Heartening.

  23. June 25, 2020 4:07 pm

    Yes. Heartening indeed. If only they would read them. Think for themselves instead of Westminster groupthink and, most importantly, read, mark, learn and inwardly digest Paul’s wondrous ‘notalotofpeopleknowthat’. If only. Of course Bummer, Horridbin etc won’t because they can’t.

  24. June 25, 2020 5:08 pm

    You think Westminster are bad? Try living with Holyrood. They are totally obsessed with renewables. Both have been so brainwashed by the climate change business they have lost the ability to think, if they ever had it. Wonder if MSPs get this blog? I have all their email addresses. At least English windfarms had only been paid £46.5m. to switch their turbines off when I looked three weeks ago; Scottish ones had been paid over £736m. So sensible.

    • cajwbroomhill permalink
      June 25, 2020 5:30 pm

      We must aleays remember that these parliamentarians who are intellectually and morally weak vessels are electedto get the best deal for us votersand not to govern us.

      Not surprised that the Scottish ones here are even worse than those down South.
      Wouldn’t wish ours, especially the SNP,on any freedom-loving, decent people.

  25. June 25, 2020 7:35 pm

    People are probably sick of me repeating this but it demonstrates the nonsense of AGW. In a world wide lockdown with flights car journeys greatly reduced CO2 levels are still rising at the same rate they were before lockdown. Humans therefore cannot be responsible even if we were how can an increase in atmospheric CO2 from 3 molecules in every 10,000 to 4 have any measurable effect?

  26. Rudolph Hucker permalink
    June 26, 2020 6:21 pm

    Gummer, the man from the PRU (aka) Prats are us).

    • Ajax Ornis permalink
      June 26, 2020 8:47 pm

      Correct, but I prefer to refer to him as Bummer. That was his family name, which the little popinjay couldn’t live with.

  27. Coeur de Lion permalink
    June 27, 2020 9:05 am

    The salaries of the CCC are available on line. Gimme.

  28. June 27, 2020 10:22 am

    “The CCC also recommends the country aim to cut carbon emissions as part of a “green recovery“

    Maybe they can find a way to spread that virus around to make sure we never leave our house. What could be more important than to save the planet?

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