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Who Needs Icebreakers!

January 25, 2017
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By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Joe Public

 

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http://thediplomat.com/2016/12/china-begins-construction-of-polar-icebreaker/

 

As we know, Arctic sea ice is rapidly disappearing. That is why China is building a new icebreaker.

 

This will join at least 14 new Russian ones:

 

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https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/2015/12/these-are-russias-new-icebreakers

 

And the US has plans to build its own $1bn ship.

 

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https://www.adn.com/politics/2016/05/24/congress-takes-a-big-step-toward-funding-a-new-1-billion-arctic-icebreaker/

 

Think of the money they could have saved if they had asked Prof Wadhams!

 

 

Meanwhile it looks as if the Russian icebreakers stuck in the East Siberian Sea will stay there until May.

 

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4152532/Two-Russia-s-icebreaker-ships-marooned.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

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29 Comments
  1. Don B permalink
    January 25, 2017 11:52 am

    Icebreakers for the Arctic? They are needed on the Danube, as well.

    “Ice on the Danube at the so-called Dalj Bend is four meters thick, says MUP Emergency Situations Sector chief Predrag Matic.

    “According to Maric, two more icebreakers will arrive in Serbia, to reopen the river to navigation all the way to Belgrade.

    “He told state broadcaster RTS that two Hungarian icebreakers worked until late on Wednesday and would continue today, helped by a drone that will be used to observe the area and coordinate the vessels.

    “Maric said that the whether will be unfavorable with low temperatures until January 23, that will result in more ice forming on the river.

    “Serbia’s own two icebreakers – the Greben and the Bor – are deployed downstream from Belgrade, defending the hydro-power plant Djerdap (Iron Gate).

    “According to Maric, “it’s been a long time since Serbia has had ice this thick on its rivers.” He added that “this should serve a lesson – Agriculture Minister Bratislav Nedimovic is serious in his intention for something to change there.”

    https://www.sott.net/article/340326-Ice-on-Danube-River-4-meters-thick-in-Serbia

  2. peejos permalink
    January 25, 2017 11:58 am

    Read this report from the US Coast Guard ice breaker in Antarctica ~ ice thicker and more extensive than recently http://gcaptain.com/ship-photos-u-s-icebreaker-polar-star-reaches-mcmurdo-station-antarctica/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Gcaptain+%28gCaptain.com%29

  3. NeilC permalink
    January 25, 2017 12:06 pm

    But, there is a 97% consensus of climate scientists telling us that all the Antarctic is melting rapidly due to global warming. When will these stupid people stop telling lies?

    • Broadlands permalink
      January 25, 2017 2:52 pm

      Neil.. They are not stupid. Like most of us they are not given accurate information on which to make an informed conclusion. How many people, scientists or not, know that the average global temperatures reported by NASA to the media in the early 1990s were warmer than those just reported to us by NASA and NOAA? Would that knowledge affect the “consensus”?

      • tom0mason permalink
        January 25, 2017 6:41 pm

        NASA’s Orwellian method —
        “Who controls the past climate records controls the future scenarios.
        Who controls the present climate records controls the past (climate records). “

  4. AlecM permalink
    January 25, 2017 12:07 pm

    I have for seven years warned people close to the centre of Government that by 2020 the UK will need inshore ice breakers to keep the Northern ports open in mid-winter. This is because by then we will be entering the new Little Ice Age, which will last between 30 and 50 years depending on the nature of the Solar magnetic field downturn.

    As background, IPCC pseudoscience is based on an horrendous science mistake first by Arrhenius in 1896, to assume surface radiant exitance is a real instead of a potential IR energy flux. This went via Simpson in 1926, then Manabe et al from the 1960s to an assumption of 40% extra energy than reality in Earth’s radiation budget.

    To cope with this, Manabe then GISS assumed negative convection, which cannot exist. This mistake was hidden by UKMO via a Kirchhoff’s Law of Radiation approach based on incorrect cloud aerosol physics, which also crates imaginary ‘positive feedback’.

    Real CO2 Climate Sensitivity is maintained near zero by the water cycle. Net insolation is the major factor controlling climate with a strong influence from biofeedback.

    • January 25, 2017 10:41 pm

      Yes. Water is the basic thermostat for the planet. A quick calculation. from the steam tables reveals that every kilogram of water evaporated from the earth’s surface dissipates roughly 680 Watts into the atmosphere before returning back to earth. A proportion of this dissipation winds up in the cirrus clouds, way above CO2, nudging the tropopause as ice crystals. Hence into space.
      Pesky CO2 doesn’t get a look in .
      The earth sweats, just like you and I, to keep cool and has been doing it for millions of years.

  5. January 25, 2017 1:24 pm

    Norwegian icebreakers are also hard at work:

    https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2015/10/04/ice-house-of-mirrors/

    • 1saveenergy permalink
      January 25, 2017 2:50 pm

      Known as ‘Little Willy’

      • Joe Public permalink
        January 25, 2017 3:13 pm

        Alternatively: oh what a big chopper that guy’s got.

      • AZ1971 permalink
        January 25, 2017 3:27 pm

        Oh my God, you guys made me laugh this morning! Too funny!

      • tom0mason permalink
        January 25, 2017 6:45 pm

        Surely the caption reads —

        “Climate modeler ensures observation agrees with modeled expectations.”

        🙂

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      January 25, 2017 7:10 pm

      It’s so bloody cold that that big chopper he’s holding will soon be a hand axe.

    • j martin permalink
      January 25, 2017 9:01 pm

      If it were a caption competition, my entry would be;

      Incensed at the appearance of ice that threatened to disrupt his ice free arctic narrative, professor Wadhams got straight to work to make it disappear.

      • Joe Public permalink
        January 26, 2017 1:34 am

        That could catch on:

        “Professor Chris Turney practices escaping ice entrapment, in preparation for his next expedition to Antarctica.”

  6. Bloke down the pub permalink
    January 25, 2017 1:47 pm

    Amusing, if a little disingenuous . There is little use for an ice-breaker when the ice is too thick, as demonstrated by the Russian two that are stuck. It’s only when the ice is thin enough, for long enough, that it becomes worthwhile investing in them. Whether that investment will turn out to be a good one, only time will tell.

  7. CheshireRed permalink
    January 25, 2017 4:06 pm

    O/T. Blatant fake news alert in the Guardian, claiming another ‘study’ shows a 1.5-2 metre increase in sea levels by the end of the century. I questioned this claim and naturally my post was zapped straight into cyber-jail.

    “Over the course of this century, the study expects average global sea levels to rise between 1.5-2 metres…”

    Fake news at its finest. They’re worried about president Trump alright.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/25/europe-faces-droughts-floods-storms-climate-change-accelerates#comment-91890242

    • jazznick permalink
      January 25, 2017 4:16 pm

      Guardian well on the way to becoming a ‘greenie’ pamphlet.

      http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-guardian-tabloid-exclusive-idUKKBN1572JS

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        January 25, 2017 7:14 pm

        The beautiful irony is that they may be forced to pay Murdoch (the anti-Christ) to actually print the new tabloid Guardian on his presses!

      • John Palmer permalink
        January 25, 2017 10:50 pm

        They’re going bust soon, the loonie Rusbridger is back at the helm and they’ve posted the biggest annual loss ever in Newspaper history.
        Can’t say they’ll be missed here

    • Sara Hall permalink
      January 25, 2017 7:48 pm

      I clicked on the link and would you believe it; they asked me for a donation. The cheek of it! The only thing I’d ever give them would be a piece of my mind.

  8. January 25, 2017 5:37 pm

    A new warning via the Environment Agency. https://twitter.com/davethroupea/status/824308779248451596

    Be afraid

    • John Palmer permalink
      January 25, 2017 10:46 pm

      The EA …nowadays about as much good as a chocolate teapot
      They used to be a serious and mainly science – or at least, common sense -based outfit.
      Not any more, sadly.

  9. Bulaman permalink
    January 25, 2017 5:55 pm

    I have been watching the goings on in Antarctic this year. It took 2 icebreakers to get the cargo ship McMurdo this year through 35km of ice.
    You can see it here for the next day or 2

    https://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/mcmwebcam.cfm

    My son has had a season down there this year and he says summer is over and temps are already dropping again. They had 3 or 4 days of temp above 0 this year..

    If you can stomach it there is a lot of TedX posturing on the face book link here

    http://www.antarcticanz.govt.nz/scott-base/webcams-and-weather/

  10. Windsong permalink
    January 25, 2017 6:09 pm

    The projected commissioning date for the Chinese vessel is very ambitious, maybe too much so. In any event, by 2019 the USCG may have decided what their new icebreaker should look like. Expect the wrangling over who builds it to take several more years. But, time continues to work down the life expectancy of the Polar Star. It will be permanently docked long before its replacement is in service.

  11. tom0mason permalink
    January 25, 2017 6:30 pm

    But Professor Wadhams has already said there is no ice in the Arctic so why waste money on these expensive ship that will never be used?

    /sarcoff

  12. Gerry, England permalink
    January 27, 2017 4:12 pm

    On cue, a new ice breaking LNG tanker is to begin sea trials so that it can ply the Siberian-Pacific sea route during the ice free Summer and cut through any pesky ice that is there provided it is not more than 1.5m thick or about 5ft in real money.

  13. January 27, 2017 6:38 pm

    Two Russian Icebreakers trapped in ice until JUNE 2017
    https://www.iceagenow.info/two-russian-icebreakers-trapped-may-june/

  14. January 29, 2017 7:55 pm

    Reblogged this on Climate Collections.

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