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Labour would ‘radically transform economy’ to focus on climate change

December 26, 2018
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By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Robin Guenier

  

It is truly frightening that this lot might actually get into power soon.

From the Guardian:

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A future Labour government would oversee an economic revolution to tackle the climate crisis, using the full power of the state to decarbonise the economy and create hundreds of thousands of green jobs in struggling towns and cities.

Rebecca Long-Bailey, the shadow business secretary who is driving the party’s climate agenda, said the UK’s “entire society and entire economy” needed to be refocused to meet the looming challenge of ecological breakdown.

“It could not be made clearer to us and people are starting to realise how incredibly dangerous this situation is,” said Long-Bailey, a close ally of the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and the shadow chancellor John McDonnell. “There is no option but to radically transform our economy.”

But in an interview with the Guardian she said the crisis was also an opportunity to bring well-paid, highly skilled jobs and economic regeneration to some of the most marginalised communities in the country.

“We have to tackle climate change in a really radical way, the evidence is crystal clear,” said Long-Bailey. “But this is also a wonderful opportunity to invest in those towns and cities that have felt neglected for a very long time … this has to be – and will be – a genuine transformation of the economy.”

Labour’s plan has echoes the Green New Deal being advocated by leftwing Democrats such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders in the US.

‘There is no option but to radically transform our economy,’ said Rebecca Long-Bailey.

And Long-Bailey said the experience of the French president Emmanuel Macron – who has faced widespread protests in part over new environmental taxes – showed that action on the environment must be part of a wider programme of social and economic regeneration.

“If you knocked on a door in Salford, where I am from, although most people care about climate change it is not going to be top of their list of priorities. Most people just want to know how their life is going to be improved.

“So it is important for us to position ourselves as a party that is going to tackle climate change but turn that into an economic opportunity for the vast areas of this country that have seen decades of underinvestment and provide jobs for the future and provide that revitalisation that communities want to see.”

Corbyn put a radical green agenda at the forefront of his conference speech this year and a senior source in the leaders office said both he and McDonnell were “100% committed” to implementing the transformative agenda laid out by Long-Bailey as soon as Labour were in office.

The party’s current target is to get 60% of the UK’s energy from renewable sources by 2030 and to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to zero by the middle of the century.

But Long-Bailey said they needed to be “even more ambitious” and set targets for areas of the economy beyond energy, from heavy industries like iron, steel and chemicals to agriculture and land use.

“[Tackling climate breakdown] is one of the central pillars of our industrial strategy … it will take a huge amount of work and we know it is ambitious – but we also know it is not ambitious enough in light of what we heard from the IPCC report – so we know we have got to move very, very quickly on this.”

Labour has brought together a team of experts including leading industry figures, engineers, scientists, consultants and academics, who will report back with a comprehensive plan in the new year, outlining what a sustainable energy mix would look like, how to achieve it – and what benefits in terms of jobs and investment it would bring.

Initial findings from the group suggest that to meet its current targets, Labour would by 2030 need to:

  • increase the UK’s installed offshore wind capacity sevenfold

  • bring all 24m homes in the UK up to the highest efficiency standard

  • triple the UK’s installed solar capacity

But Long-Bailey said this was just the start, with next year’s report likely to add a raft of new radical policy proposals.

“They are working on a very detailed report at the moment about what our future energy mix needs to look like to hit these targets – we are talking about offshore and onshore wind and solar – but it is obviously going to go much further than that.

“This is about so much more than just the energy supply, it is about developing the supply chains and the manufacturing base so we can export our expertise around the world.”

a senior source in the leaders office said Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell were ‘100% committed’ to implementing the transformative agenda laid out by Long-Bailey.

Long-Bailey, seen as a rising star in Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party, said the influx of new, often younger members, had energised the party’s environmentalism and said it could no longer be viewed as “luxury item”, to be dealt with as a separate policy issue.

Instead it was “now embedded into the DNA of every of every single department and every single economic decision we make”.

“It can no longer be a message that if you want to help the climate it is enough to buy sustainable products or source your energy from renewable providers – we have gone beyond that.

“It is critical that our entire society and our entire economy is centred around this mission to tackle climate change … and the really exciting thing is if we do it right we can also improve the long-term prospects of people in this country.”

Part of the challenge, Long-Bailey said, is to paint a picture of the positive future that is possible if society successfully meets the challenge of climate breakdown, as well as being honest about the potentially disastrous consequences of failure.

“When I was little I used to get this magazine called Quest,” she said. “It had science and glimpses into what the future might be like and I used to get excited and think … “Wow, I could be a scientist or an explorer.”

She said it was time to create that excitement and optimism about the future again.

“So in Salford we need to be telling people that by tackling climate change we can have a factory that is going to create wind turbines, is going to manufacture parts for offshore wind and show them that their child in the local school can become an engineer, that they will get proper pay and be in a job that is secure, well valued, with trade unions involved so they have that security and a collective voice,” she said.

“Ultimately people need to know that their kids can have a really good, full and interesting life if we get this right.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/24/labour-government-tackle-climate-change

   

It is hard to know where to start with such drivel.

Long-Bailey has no experience of expertise in energy, or for that matter industry in general. She studied politics and sociology at university, before training to be a solicitor.

The only reason she is Shadow Business Secretary is that she is a fervent acolyte of Jeremy Corbyn, for whom most serious Labour MPs refuse to work for.

The Labour manifesto at last year’s election included the same promise, to ensure that 60% of the UK’s energy would come from zero carbon sources by 2030. My analysis earlier in the year showed that this was pure fantasy. (See here.)

Moreover, the manifesto contained little in the way of concrete plans of how this could be achieved.

  

It is important to remember where we are starting from. (The table below is in Mtoe):

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 https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/energy-trends-december-2018

Fossil fuels accounted for 80% of energy consumption last year. Of this, approximately 64% is for non-electricity use.

Mtoe Total Electricity Domestic Transport Others
Coal 12 6 6
Oil 69 0 2 50 17
Gas 75 25 26 24
TOTAL 156 31 28 50 47

Even if you could eliminate fossil fuels from electricity generation, which even the CCC admit is impossible by 2030, you would still need to make mammoth cuts in the other sectors. (The Guardian article mentions that “the party’s current target is to get 60% of the UK’s energy from renewable sources by 2030” I assume they actually mean “zero carbon”, as the manifesto stated).

To hit the 60% zero carbon target would mean reducing fossil fuel consumption from  156 Mtoe to 62 Mtoe a year.

There is simply no way that natural gas for domestic heating could be replaced in such a short period. Nor is there any chance that EVs could make much of a dent by 2030, given the enormous infrastructural problems they pose. And if industrial users are compelled, one way or another, to abandon oil and gas, they will most likely shut down and transfer their operations abroad.

The three suggestions listed by the Guardian hardly inspire confidence:

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1) Offshore wind poses several questions.

The first is the cost. It may be that the wind industry claims about falling costs are correct, but what if they are not? How much are labour prepared to pay out in subsidies to achieve their target.

There is then the problem of integrating such large amount of intermittent wind power. Even the Committee on Climate Change does not believe it is practical going beyond 25 GW of offshore capacity by 2030, an increase from the current capacity of 8 GW.

And even then the CCC say we would still need 97 TWh of generation from CCGT.

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https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/02/20/labours-low-carbonpromise/

 

2) Home insulation will cost a lot of money. Where are the costings, and where will the money come from?

The Green Deal, which offered cheap loans for energy saving schemes at home, has been a total flop, as the numbers rarely stack up. The reality is that such schemes usually cost much more than they save.

  

3) Triple solar capacity.

This is the biggest joke of all.While solar power currently supplies around 3% of total generation, the figure drops to under 1% in winter months.

And what power is produced is so variable as to be virtually worthless to the grid.

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https://www.solar.sheffield.ac.uk/pvlive/# 

And, as with wind power, there is the little matter of cost. Since the ending of subsidies for new projects, new investment in solar has virtually dried up. In the last 12 months, solar capacity has increased by just 1.8%.

How much will Labour have to spend in subsidies to achieve its target of tripling capacity?

Apart from all of these technical issues. other, more fundamental questions need to be asked.

According to Long-Bailey, a future Labour government would oversee an economic revolution to tackle the climate crisis, using the full power of the state to decarbonise the economy and create hundreds of thousands of green jobs in struggling towns and cities.

But even if the UK stopped using fossil fuels completely, what effect would it have on climate, given that our emissions of CO2 only account for 1% of the world’s?

The ides that government can create jobs, or that you can create them through subsidies, is economic illiteracy.

As for this economic revolution, heaven help us all. She goes on to say, “the UK’s entire society and entire economy needed to be refocused to meet the looming challenge of ecological breakdown.”

Forget about ecological breakdown. It is economic and social breakdown that we should fear if Labour get their way.

60 Comments
  1. Kenneth Farrar permalink
    December 26, 2018 10:40 am

    If the whole of UK industry closed down it would have no effect on climate change as we only produce 1% of the world’s output of CO2

    • Alan Taylor permalink
      December 26, 2018 10:59 am

      It’s only 1% of manmade CO2 WORLDWIDE and not one word of proof it contributes to Planetary warming, though there is plenty of proof of what does, such as the Milankovitch Effect! http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/milankovitch-cycles

      • 1saveenergy permalink
        December 26, 2018 11:27 am

        Alan, from your link –
        “The natural cycle is range bound and well understood, largely constrained by the Milankovitch cycles. Since the beginning of the industrial age, humankind has caused such a dramatic departure from the natural cycle, that it is hard to imagine anyone thinking that we are still in the natural cycle.”
        “This departure is so dramatic that it has instigated a new era. According to some studies, there is enough evidence to state that we have departed the Holocene and entered the Anthropocene.
        Simply put, based on the evidence, mankind has forced the Earth climate system to depart from it’s natural cycle forcing.”

        Do you really beleive that ???

    • Henning Nielsen permalink
      December 26, 2018 9:00 pm

      Would it not be wonderful to see Britain return to the happy halcyon times of an archaic farming society? Happy serfs and happy beggars.

  2. December 26, 2018 11:12 am

    She won’t have heard of Milankovitch.

    • dave permalink
      December 26, 2018 11:18 am

      There have been cultures which regarded insane people as being infused with the wisdom of the Gods [Gaia now]. Therefore, they chose as rulers the most obviously mad. This did not always end well.

      • Sheri permalink
        December 26, 2018 12:43 pm

        That’s the best explanation for the current insanity I have heard. i shall have to study further. I would guess it generally ends very poorly. “not always ends well” seems overy optimistic.

    • Steve Borodin permalink
      December 28, 2018 9:49 am

      According to the IPCC, of course, Milankovich Cycles ceased in the mid-20C, along with ocean currents, cosmic rays and all other physical phenomenon that affect climate. They were all replaced by wood fires and the internal combustion engine.

      But of course, to quote the IPCC, “This has nothing to do with the climate!”

  3. tim leeney permalink
    December 26, 2018 11:17 am

    Looks like an ace election loser.

    • dave permalink
      December 26, 2018 11:29 am

      “…ace election loser.”

      One would hope so. But the triumphant, and virtually unopposed, Long March of Marxism through the institutions of the West, means that the Left always has a head start. The BBC can be relied upon to direct the attention of the young sheep onto totally trivial matters, and away from the doors of the mobile abattoir parked in front of them.

      • Sheri permalink
        December 26, 2018 12:44 pm

        Sheep follow the leader and if the leader is preaching suicide….

    • Silver Dynamite permalink
      December 27, 2018 10:37 am

      Sadly the so-called Conservatives are incapable of describing the consequences of Labour insanity.

    • A C Osborn permalink
      December 27, 2018 11:38 am

      Don’t be so sure, with the total Propaganda from the BBC and MSM there are millions who actually believe in it all.

  4. Peter Yarnall permalink
    December 26, 2018 11:27 am

    “Making all homes energy efficient”…..just like they did at Grenfell Tower!
    As far as the environmental lobby are concerned , human beings don’t matter.

    • Sheri permalink
      December 26, 2018 12:44 pm

      Are there radon test kits in England?

      • dave permalink
        December 26, 2018 2:05 pm

        There are radon test kits in the UK, but they are fairly expensive, at a minimum of £50.

        There is only moderate awareness, of the problem. in the population.

        For those who live in the South and East of England, the risk is negligible, because the rocks do not contain radon.

        https://www.ukradon.org/cms/assets/gfx/content/resource_2686cs3a0844cee4.pdf

        If people live in Cornwall, Wales or Scotland, where the underlying rocks are old worn-down granite mountains, they are advised by Public Health bodies to check the air they breathe, especially if they smoke.

    • A C Osborn permalink
      December 27, 2018 11:39 am

      And introduce Condensation, Damp and dangerous Mould in many of them.

      • Up2snuff permalink
        December 27, 2018 7:13 pm

        Rebecca Long-Bailey will also have to explain how she will get over the objections of the Heritage bodies in England, Wales and Scotland to having modern double or triple glazing, insulation and solar panels forced on to and into Grade 1 and Grade 2 Listed buildings.

        If I recall correctly, only a fraction of the UK’s housing stock is suitable for item 2 on this list:

        “Initial findings from the group suggest that to meet its current targets, Labour would by 2030 need to:

        increase the UK’s installed offshore wind capacity sevenfold

        bring all 24m homes in the UK up to the highest efficiency standard

        triple the UK’s installed solar capacity”

        and every new build since about 2000 should have been built to the ‘Prescott standard’ set by the previous Labour Government anyway. Any alterations to them would be a total waste of money.

        But then, that’s what Governments (both national & local) do, often irrespective of their political ‘colour’.

  5. Mack permalink
    December 26, 2018 11:29 am

    Hey ho, running the economy on wishful thinking, pixie dust and unicorn farts. That’ll end well.

    • December 26, 2018 2:23 pm

      Venezuela here we come. Corbyn’s policy is based on his belief in Venzuela being a socialist paradise.

  6. 1saveenergy permalink
    December 26, 2018 11:30 am

    Yet another reason to NOT vote Labour

  7. Jon Scott permalink
    December 26, 2018 11:32 am

    Any excuse to impose marxism. Venezuela on acid is what you will get

  8. Graeme No.3 permalink
    December 26, 2018 11:44 am

    Why would firms employ people to build wind turbines when they could buy them cheaper from China? Much the same objection to solar panels, electric cars. And agricultural emissions? The roast parsnip of England?

  9. Doug Shield permalink
    December 26, 2018 11:47 am

    No debate, just endless repetition of the mantra that we must act with urgency to save the planet from catastrophe. When will people demand to see unanswerable evidence of impending doom? The fact that none exists doesn’t bother the alarmists. And this current Labour Party are the most dangerous, and economically illiterate in my lifetime. If they ever get into power and attempt to carry through this utter nonsense, we’re finished as industrialised country.

  10. David Parker permalink
    December 26, 2018 12:08 pm

    It is interesting to note that the ideas of the Labour party and its leader Jeremy Corbyn are diametrically opposed to the leader’s brother, the astrophysicist Piers. Yet Piers campaigns for JC to be PM. I am not sure that hypocrisy covers this. Happy New Year to all.

  11. roger permalink
    December 26, 2018 12:13 pm

    Forty odd years ago as a stop gap job whilst setting up my new business, for a few weeks I installed contraceptive machines on pub toilet walls around the country and I distinctly remember Salford being a port of call, not only for the glazed bricks that defied penetration (sic) but also for the dereliction where vast swathes of slums were being demolished.
    I often wondered later in life how many locals had availed themselves of the facility to avoid bringing their progeny into such bleak surroundings, and whether that was related to parental IQ.

    • Sheri permalink
      December 26, 2018 12:46 pm

      IQ and common sense, the ability to actually think, etc are not really correlated at all. High IQ people can be as stupid in matters of poltics, marriage, and raising kids as low IQ ones. In fact, I saw a couple with IQ’s in the range of 70 that were better parents than those at 180.

  12. December 26, 2018 12:39 pm

    My generation has much to answer for. ( I am 83). Not only have we burdened future generations with inordinate debt; but we have obviously failed to educate them to the level where they have the necessary expertise to cope with it.

    Bless her heart ; but Rebecca Long-Bailey’s “If wishes were kisses” policies is a good example of the impending disaster.

    In my view; politics and common sense make tumultuous bedfellows. It is a matter of who gets the duvet. Sadly with the likes of Rebecca in charge the duvet will wind up on the floor.

  13. CheshireRed permalink
    December 26, 2018 12:54 pm

    What EXACTLY are these ‘hundreds of thousands’ of green jobs?
    Name them, precisely, explicitly.
    What sectors?
    How are they not prevalent now but would be if we called them ‘green’?

    What a pipe dream of total nonsense this climate change racket is.

    • John F. Hultquist permalink
      December 26, 2018 8:37 pm

      In Portland, Oregon (or some other leftist city) they added batteries to city buses and changed the driver category to a “green” job. Most of the time the battery would not do the job and so the diesel engine was still used.
      The point is, it is easy to create green jobs.
      Imagine, in a few years you can be employed to hand out organic veggy sandwiches to the out-of-work crowd, and feel good about yourself being a green worker.

  14. A C Osborn permalink
    December 26, 2018 1:10 pm

    Paul, instead of the 1 week of Sheffield Solar you should have shown 1 month of National Grid, a half an hour a day of 2GW from the 13+GW of solar capacity.
    Totally useless.
    The other point is the increase in Bio Energy & Waste is actually burning wood chips in DRAX.

  15. Chilli permalink
    December 26, 2018 1:11 pm

    Long-Bailey’s rhetoric here is little different from that regularly spewed by Claire Perry, Amber Rudd, Leadsom, Ed Davey, Huhne or any other previous occupant of the department for economically-ruinous virtue-signalling and environmental scaremongering. In office her actions would likely be constrained to the moderately economically damaging regime we are already suffering under. So, in other words, this is no excuse to Vote Tory for fear of something worse. All the main parties are just as bad on this issue.

    • Jon Scott permalink
      December 26, 2018 3:28 pm

      It is however not really advancing the discussion to deliberately say “others are or were bad” as some way to excuse the puppet corbyn and his marxist master’s intentions. Marxism which the puppet fronts murdered 100 million people in the 20th century (mostly their own) The marxist model does not work, never has worked. never will work and leaves only misery death and destruction in its wake. Why would any sane human being vote for economic suicide and politically motivated ruination of lives for the ideologically bankrupt cause? The definition of insanity is repeating the same failed experiment and expecting a different outcome.

      • Chilli permalink
        December 27, 2018 12:24 am

        Not disagreeing with you – just saying the Conservative’s rhetoric is just as bad / worse on this issue. The problem will continue as long as there are votes to be won and no electoral penalties to be paid for virtue signalling on this issue. So far the politicians have sucessfully shifted blame for rising energy prices caused by their ‘green’ mandates onto the energy companies – who have been happy to take the blame so long as gov policy allows them to wet their beaks in the various green taxes added to everyone’s bills. It’s unclear how long the house of cards will stand – we’ve already seen how fast things can switch around when Milliband promised his energy price freeze – a policy now adopted by May. Once gov policy is seen as driving the price rises the electoral calculus may change.

  16. December 26, 2018 1:13 pm

    And Long-Bailey said …………”showed that action on the environment must be part of a wider programme of social and economic regeneration.”

    May I suggest that her “programme” will be one to intimidate and silence any who oppose. Re-education camps for recalcitrant folks.

    • Jon Scott permalink
      December 26, 2018 3:29 pm

      At first …… then more “permanent” disappearing measures to control the problem.

  17. HotScot permalink
    December 26, 2018 1:39 pm

    Empty campaign promises.

    • Jon Scott permalink
      December 26, 2018 3:32 pm

      true but the marxist corbyn has already learned that the brain dead indoctrinated millennials will suck up lies and vote upon them and not complain when he cynically smiles afterwards and says “just kidding”.

  18. Broadlands permalink
    December 26, 2018 2:30 pm

    Has anyone noticed what climate change “expert” Al Gore has said?

    https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/422117-al-gores-right-about-carbon-capture-and-sequestration

    I never thought that I would ever agree with Al Gore, but on this topic he is making sense. The amount of CO2 to remove (50 ppm) is so large it cannot be buried safely anywhere…even if it was possible to capture it at global scale.

    • dennisambler permalink
      December 26, 2018 3:14 pm

      And even if it were remotely necessary…

      • Jon Scott permalink
        December 26, 2018 3:21 pm

        CO2 is plant food. Indeed it is necessary for all life. It is fantastic that a trace gas in the atmosphere which is at a worryingly low level geologically speaking is viewed by the marxist freak show as dangerous. I know who and what is a clear and present danger and marxism coupled to global business which underpins this tissue of lies is that danger carried forward by an intoxicated mass of green useful idiots.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        December 26, 2018 5:50 pm

        Or even actually possible outside of a trial and then even economically viable.

  19. dennisambler permalink
    December 26, 2018 3:20 pm

    “Labour’s plan has echoes the Green New Deal being advocated by leftwing Democrats such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders in the US.”

    This is because it is the UN wealth re-distribution plan, espoused by former UNFCCC boss Christiana Figueres and the rest of the United Socialist Nations.

    http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/science-papers/originals/un-progress-governance-via-climate-change

    • A C Osborn permalink
      December 27, 2018 11:44 am

      +1000

  20. Curious George permalink
    December 26, 2018 4:28 pm

    After the transition, survivors will live in a real paradise.

  21. BLACK PEARL permalink
    December 26, 2018 4:58 pm

    Vote Prostitutes
    Thats all these guys are, they say & do anything to get the vote from the gullible … usually the youth market. (LibDems did the same but it back-fired on them)
    Worked a treat for Hitler with the help from his man Joseph Goebbels on their youth brigade.
    Tried & tested method over the centuries.

  22. Athelstan permalink
    December 26, 2018 6:01 pm

    “If you knocked on a door in Salford, where I am from, although most people care about climate change it is not going to be top of their list of priorities. Most people just want to know how their life is going to be improved.

    “So it is important for us to position ourselves as a party that is going to tackle climate change but turn that into an economic opportunity for the vast areas of this country that have seen decades of underinvestment and provide jobs for the future and provide that revitalisation that communities want to see.”

    wot?

    quote: Rebecca Long Bailey.

    I can feel a stonking, blinding headache coming on already, but that would be almost as if nothing by comparison to the pain of the nation undergoing a terminal financial and economic catastrophe wrought via the transport of Long Bailey’s #labour’sgreencanker.

    As has been noted, and in the face of some very fierce competition Ms Long Bailey is turning out to be front runner, chasing the prize as ‘prize’ virtue signaller SJW cultural Marxist dingbat of the year annual honour’s list. By comparison, in her lack of any useful and relevant knowledge, she (Ms Long Bailey) makes Claire Perry seem like a know-it-all in climate dynamics and Atmospheric Physics and seeing as dear Claire (Perry) knows sweet fanny adams about the aforementioned studies, that don’t say much about the credentials of dear Rebecca (Long Bailey)

    Surely, here in Britain we can do better than this, and isn’t it about time that we did?

    • Ben Vorlich permalink
      December 27, 2018 11:59 am

      I doubt very much that the UK will do better. I have a very pessimistic view, what the French call functionaires in the UK are too keen on on taking guidelines and turning them into rules, rules which cannot be relaxed. As long as there’s a scapegoat to blame the public is happy with a situation they cdnt change but can moan about until the cows come home.

  23. December 26, 2018 7:02 pm

    When they say ‘radically transform economy’, that of course means ‘radically trash economy’.

  24. Saighdear permalink
    December 26, 2018 8:42 pm

    Well I dunno! ….. …but I DO KNOW that most of the jobs in the installation of the windmills were taken by FOREIGNERS – only locals were the Police and like for escorting duties on the roads and Crane operators. The ell paid Hi-tech jobs were done by the Manuf’rs people – an issue of quality control? …. will that change an awful lot?
    Watching the power gen figures over last couple of days…. no bugling of the success of lack of much wind or solar power . the NicFish bubbling on about how much wind processes ALL of Scotland’s requirements….. when and FOR HOW LONG at a time? Don’t these gonks have any idea about POWER and consumption, let alone when / IF we were all to go car electric … the inefficiency of battery charging . . they HAVE NO IDEA.
    When is this noise in the ECHO-Chamber going to break out?

  25. December 26, 2018 10:41 pm

    We need a long spell of cold windless days and blackouts across Europe this winter to knock some sense into these people before it’s too late.

    • Jon Scott permalink
      December 26, 2018 10:52 pm

      Sadly I think it is already too late. The repeated scaremongering shown to be just that has no effect. This is a religion now, empirical data based facts have no place in a faith based system. There is a fundamental flaw it seems in the human psyche desperate to put humans at the center of the Universe, to be in control of and responsible for everything which goes on around them. The shear arrogance of the activists who supported by lots of useful idiots think they can control the climate has no limit. I defer to Einstein and his view of humanity and its boundless capacity for stupidity. We WILL remove ourselves from the planet which did not notice our coming and will not notice our leaving in spite of out collective ego.

  26. December 27, 2018 10:04 am

    Why do Lefties refuse to engage with actual economics? Making stuff cheaper by increasing productivity makes us richer. That’s it, that’s all you need to know. The opposite makes us poorer. If you make energy – which all businesses use – more expensive, you make everyone poorer. No different from making food more expensive or water. Yes, we could create thousands if jobs by banning combine harvesters but we would all be poorer.

    Why do these delusionists refuse to understand?

  27. Vernon E permalink
    December 27, 2018 11:10 am

    I broadly agree with John Scott above – its too late. There is no room for complacency because all these current issues inter-link. If Brexit goes tits up for whatever reason myself and fifty million other conservative hard-line leavers will not vote in a “peoples vote” (if that’s the way it goes) and certainly will never vote conservative again. Long Bailey could be in government before the summer!

    • Vanessa permalink
      December 29, 2018 3:21 pm

      If there were to be a “people’s vote” and you did not vote then the “Remain” side would definitely win. We need to vote even more if we have to vote again so as to make quite sure they understand that it is the WILL of the majority to leave. Stuff how difficult they find it.

  28. Vanessa permalink
    December 29, 2018 3:17 pm

    Shame Jeremy Corbyn does not listen to his brother “Piers” of WeatherAction.com. ! If Labour got into power they would never have the money to do any of this. The Poland Climate gathering has agreed that the WEST will reimburse the EMERGING countries for any climate catastrophe which they experience in their countries – floods, volcanoes, earthquakes, hurricans, you name it WE PAY FOR IT !!!!! That is going to be fun!

    • December 29, 2018 4:20 pm

      I think Jeremy’s plan is to turn us into a third world country, then we can claim!

      • John Palmer permalink
        December 29, 2018 7:29 pm

        Don’t even joke about that!

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