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Brexit Party Climate Fudge

October 1, 2019

By Paul Homewood

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Apart from their ongoing difficulties delivering Brexit, by far the biggest worry about Boris Johnson’s Conservatives is their craven subservience to the green sky fairy.

I’ve just been watching one of their panel discussions on energy and environment, broadcast from the Tory conference in Manchester, and it made me feel quite ill.

Even MPs that you know are secretly sound on green issues and know the whole climate change scam to be hogwash have to go through the motions of pretending that Net Zero — decarbonising the UK economy by 2050 — is a practical, achievable and conservative policy. And it is, of course, none of those things.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/09/30/vote-conservative-get-more-green-crap/

 

Dellers is none too impressed with the Tory conference!

But the interesting bit concerns the Brexit Party, about which he writes:

I just hope, for karma’s sake, that plenty of the “Ooh look at us. See how much we worship Greta Thunberg” Conservative MPs now embracing this nonsense will still be around in government to witness – and suffer for – the consequences of their idiocy.

And what about the Conservatives’ conscience, the Brexit Party? Surely we can rely on them to set a better example?

I’m afraid not.

Paul Homewood recently wrote a piece headlined ‘Brexit Party Deceived By St Greta’.

It quoted an email circular sent out by one of the Brexit Party’s prospective parliamentary candidates, outlining the party’s ‘stance’ on energy and environment:

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I asked the party for a response to this. Initially, it was claimed that the story was fake news and that the party had never said any such thing. Then they changed their tune. The party’s chairman Richard Tice told me that this was merely a discussion document which had accidentally been put out as if it were policy – but which it now planned formally to withdraw.

When I suggested to Tice that if the Brexit Party wanted a sensible energy and environment policy there were plenty of wiser heads it could consult — the Global Warming Policy Foundation, say, or Paul Homewood, who had offered his services but been rebuffed — Tice got testy and defensive.

“I’ve had 50 different people calling me up to offer their views on what our environment and energy policy should be,” he said.

This was not, he insisted, a “left/right issue” but one on which all sorts of people, not least his party’s own MEPs, have different views.

Had I been thinking on my feet, what I should have said is, “Not a left/right issue, maybe. But definitely a right/wrong issue – and the Brexit Party should be setting an example by taking the right side.”

But I didn’t.

The distinct impression I got was that Tice was rather hoping for the issue to disappear. I sympathise, up to a point: the Brexit Party has one real job – to keep Boris Johnson’s Conservatives honest on Brexit and to ensure they don’t try to fob us off with a warmed over version of Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement.

At the same time, though, I can’t pretend I’m not slightly disappointed that the Brexit Party is either too frit – or too ill-informed – to take a principled stand on this most important issues.

What it means is that of all the political parties in Britain right now only one tiny fringe party — UKIP — has a sensible, science-driven, economically practical policy on energy and the environment. By ‘sensible’ I mean the one both truest to the evidence – and also the one most likely sympathetic to the majority of British people. Truly, this is a crazy state of affairs. But such are the times we live in.

There are a couple of messages here.

Firstly, I can understand the Brexit Party’s reluctance to move away from their core message on Brexit. But if they want to do that, they cannot afford loose cannon like the PPC Colin Lambert, whose freelancing could cost votes.

Secondly, Tice talks about many views on what our environment and energy policy should be. But it is not “views” on which policy should be based, but “facts”.

As far as politics go, as Dellers points out, millions of people who don’t agree with current climate policy (not to mention more who would change their minds if given all of the facts) have nobody but UKIP to speak up for them.

If the Brexit Party continue with their policy of fudge, they will be scoring a disastrous own goal.

37 Comments
  1. Rupert Wyndham permalink
    October 1, 2019 5:58 pm

    Yes, bearing in mind that the UKIP manifesto, under the leadership of Nigel Farage, was plainly and explicitly sceptical of this issue, it is disappointing indeed to see apparent back pedalling by the party he now leads.

    • Hoong-Wai permalink
      October 1, 2019 6:12 pm

      It shows how little Nigel cares about the ‘small’ issues. And how little involvement he had in the greatest manifesto of modern British history.

    • Michael Adams permalink
      October 1, 2019 6:32 pm

      To be fair, the BP has only one aim and they are having enough opposition to that policy. They’re doing nicely in the polls and don’t want to be dragged in to a debate where most of the population thinks CC is a fact and would them at the ballot box.. If Brexit is completed then their function is fulfilled and they will probably melt away anyway. Their other policies, if this comes about, are almost irrelevant. The circular was a mistake though and it shows a lack of discipline which I’m sure will be corrected.

      • October 1, 2019 7:34 pm

        Nigel has been fighting for one thing for 25 years and he is right to say that climate change does not come close to being as important as getting us out of the EU.
        I know that Nigel does not believe in the green crap and once we we free of the EU I hope and believe he will say so.

      • HotScot permalink
        October 1, 2019 10:09 pm

        Michael Adams

        Very well put. Had you not done so I would have said the same thing, though not as eloquently.

      • It doesn't add up... permalink
        October 2, 2019 4:54 pm

        Zero carbon policy will make a failure to secure Brexit seem like a minor policy issue. Of course, failure to secure Brexit would ensure that we are required to implement the EU’s methods and timescales for zero carbon which might also occur given the climate commitments under the WA, so it is arguably the same difference. But make no mistake, zero carbon is the most damaging policy to have emerged from any political party in the UK at any time in our history. Differences in timing – Labour now gunning for 2030 vs Tory for 2050 – don;t obscure the harsh reality.

        Sensible adaptation policy for such climate changes as do occur would make much more sense. TBP should at least look to someone like Bjorn Lomborg for advice on that. They should also take on board SEWTHA and the advice of Prof David Mackay. We must find a way out of this madness, and it will take successful politics to do so.

    • October 1, 2019 9:38 pm

      I put it to Nigel a few years ago when he gave a UKIP presentation that our “green” energy policy based on the climate change scam was a massive danger to the future of the country and he whole-heartedly agreed. UKIP had then, and still has today, the only sensible energy policy, as created by Roger Helmer.

      TBP should adopt UKIP’s energy/climate change policy lock stock and barrel. But will it have the courage once we have left the EUSSR?

      • HotScot permalink
        October 1, 2019 10:18 pm

        Phillip

        There is no point in a single policy party adopting a contentious stance on a subject as divisive as climate change.

        TBP is not UKIP, which had a longer term policy. As Michael Adams indicates above, if we leave Europe on the 31st Nigel will likely retire having fulfilled his political purpose and TBP will be disbanded.

        There is no point in sceptics haranguing Tice or Nigel on the matter because it’s of no consequence.

        Let’s get Brexit done, then we can worry about climate change. If Brexit isn’t fulfilled, we all know Nigel’s attitude to climate change, but that can wait until he’s PM, then we can lobby him and hopefully Roger Helmer will have a seat in his cabinet.

  2. Broadlands permalink
    October 1, 2019 5:59 pm

    Right here, Right Now! Ok…to do what? Be specific Ms. Thunberg. What is it you want?

    • Michael Adams permalink
      October 1, 2019 6:22 pm

      You’re asking a 16 year old to come up with a grown up solution to something beyond her comprehension. How sweet.

      • Broadlands permalink
        October 1, 2019 6:52 pm

        It appears to be beyond the comprehension of the grown-ups…those scientists she wants us to read about. They don’t have the answer either. Take bold action as soon as possible? What will that action be that could possibly make a difference to the climate?

      • Chaswarnertoo permalink
        October 1, 2019 11:27 pm

        A mentally ill 16 year old. Scoldilocks…

    • debileeblog permalink
      October 2, 2019 3:46 pm

      How about banning all weather modification planes, that would work.

  3. MrGrimNasty permalink
    October 1, 2019 6:37 pm

    There is an enormous democratic deficit/sovereignty issue in the way current green policies have been installed, which you don’t hear the EU remainers complaining about – but they use such claims to try and prevent Brexit.

    And it is/should be a left/right issue, whatever anyone says, it’s a Trojan horse for extreme globalist socialist policies.

    • HotScot permalink
      October 1, 2019 10:33 pm

      MrGrimNasty

      Whilst I don’t disagree with you on the objective of the climate change agenda from a green perspective, I think the UK governments approach is far more pragmatic.

      We have a horrendous national debt. Without raising income tax, national insurance, VAT, corporation tax etc. etc……. it will never be addressed. But no one will countenance that, especially from the Tories.

      What our current Parliament (and I’m careful not to name a specific party here) see’s as an opportunity is the ability to introduce numerous stealth taxes to pay for their historic incompetence. However, the fact remains that, other than by one of two means, increased taxes or increased productivity, our national debt cannot be addressed.

      Trump is doing it by productivity. In my opinion, the correct way to deal with it. The UK can’t do that until it’s out of the EU which is determined to have every member state indebted to the bureaucracy thereby dancing to its tune.

      You might consider that the UK taxpayer is being asked to spend £5bn+ (contractors have stated double that) on refurbishing Westminster Palace, which sits mere feet away from the river Thames high water mark.

      No one can convince me that British politicians believe in climate change when they spend that amount of money on a building that close to being swamped if the Alarmist claims are true.

      • dave permalink
        October 2, 2019 7:28 am

        “…Westminster Palace…”

        Was built with bad stone. I once saw a book on building-stone published in the 1920s which had, as an Exercise, “Compare and contrast the stone of Westminster Palace with [some other building – I do not recall] and explain the implications of the differences for long term integrity.”

        It should be pulled down and replaced by a sort of hostel, where MPs of all parties will sleep in cubicles and eat bad food. They will begging to be prorogued!

        It looks as if Hurricane Lorenzo will come to Britain after all, but faded to an ordinary equinoctial gale.

      • MrGrimNasty permalink
        October 2, 2019 9:56 am

        It’s impossible to govern the country with ‘right’ leaning policies any more. The rabble rousing left just constantly objects and disrupts and goes to litigation. The Conservatives bottled austerity, such reductions in spending increases (not the actual real cuts necessary) that were carried out were pointless. Even so it is claimed they killed 130,000 people by the left? How many will die under the climate change deliberate de-growth (aka extreme austerity) measures we are expected to accept then?

        The Conservatives now seem to have gone for broke, adopted the infinite money tree approach. It’s hard to see where it will all end. It appears money is to become nothing, and all countries globally will just write-off all debt. The green-agenda is compatible with the end of money and capitalism and ‘growth’. Perhaps they think they are just accepting the inevitable?

  4. tom0mason permalink
    October 1, 2019 6:41 pm

    I’m pretty sure those children in the Congo, DRC, etc., mining minerals to make solar panels, EV batteries. And to make smart TVs, computers, and phones cheaper, phones that connect to the echo chambers of farcebook and twitterers nonsense.
    And how many children’s dreams are destroyed, their lives shortened by those mining operations.
    How dare Bill Gates, G. Soros, Al Gore, etc., or any UN NGO Greenies do nothing about the slavery that is inflicted on these children!
    How dare Greta says nothing about those ones who’ve really had their childhood stolen, and are not represented by some white, wealthy, brat Boating Around The World Making UN Speeches.

    And our spineless politicians kowtow to this nonsense from a white, juvenile, fool because they truly couldn’t care less about the world or the children in it.

    • HotScot permalink
      October 1, 2019 10:35 pm

      Those poor black babies aren’t autistic, therefore they don’t count.

    • Mike Jackson permalink
      October 2, 2019 8:43 am

      That’s a very naughty bit of photoshopping there. I like it!

    • October 2, 2019 8:50 am

      OUCH! Great Photoshop.

      That is some scorching social commentary.

    • It doesn't add up... permalink
      October 2, 2019 4:47 pm

      At lest replace her mug with one that reads “Get Brexit done!”

  5. October 1, 2019 6:45 pm

    Reblogged this on Climate- Science.press.

  6. john cooknell permalink
    October 1, 2019 7:57 pm

    I have been involved with political people trying to decide what should be done to save energy, lower carbon footprint,Save the Planet etc. The usual make up of the commitee consisted of 12 people and perhaps only 2 knew what it was all about, the rest just FofE , Greenpeace and Greta types. The Labour Party energy policy is problematic, it relies on wind and solar but they oppose gas (fracking). The Tory party says it will stop gas (a clean primary fuel) being directly supplied to homes, but has not the faintest idea how to do what would be required.

    These type of people just want to talk about strategy, if you start to involve them in how things might be implemented, they just get bored because they don’t know, and look glassy eyed. So those who might know what should be done, give up and go and get on with something else.

    When it all goes wrong the political types just say ” we had a successful strategy, but it failed in implementation, so its not our fault”.

    I have no idea whether my grandchildren will regard the wind turbines as the saviour of our civilisation or just rusting monuments to a failed belief, and I know something about these things, in my view only god can help them when Greta’s gang decide what to do, I will be dead so don’t care.

    • HotScot permalink
      October 1, 2019 10:48 pm

      I’ll also be dead, but I do care, as I suspect you do as well.

      Whilst these people howl that we are burdening their children with the effects of climate change, the left are also howling that we are burdening our children with our (their) financial incompetence.

      I don’t, however, see them questioning the wisdom of Theresa May burdening our children with her personal legacy of £1tn, having fallen at every political hurdle she has encountered.

  7. October 1, 2019 9:42 pm

    Nobody actually cares, if they did the greens would be further ahead in the polls.

    • Mike Jackson permalink
      October 2, 2019 8:56 am

      They “care” all right; it’s just that nobody knows what to do about it. Trying to change the climate or to stop it doing something it has never done before is far too big an ask for the average punter to get his head round.

      He doesn’t dispute “the science” because he trusts scientists to get it right. What else can he do? Other people trust him to get his job right; why should scientists not be treated the same?

      But where to start? The whole thing is far too complex. Leave it to the people who are paid to know these things. Meanwhile I’ve got my own life to lead and that’s hard enough!

      Have you noticed that apart from the plethora of bird mincers and solar panels and hot air, nothing has actually been DONE over the last quarter-century?

    • Gerry, England permalink
      October 2, 2019 1:55 pm

      They care as far as when you want to get them to pay for their stupid ideas directly given that they are too stupid to realise that green policies are making their life more expensive for no benefit.

  8. MrGrimNasty permalink
    October 1, 2019 10:14 pm

    O/T but a comment on the hypocritical state of politics/media.

    Mark Field Tory MP manhandles and controls a climate protester invading suddenly striding with a purpose that no one can guess – and he is vilified.

    Gigi Hadid blocks and manhandles (clearly around the neck area towards the end of the clip) a comic interloper on the catwalk who has been strolling around for ages and is obviously no threat – not even a protester, and she is a hailed a heroine.

  9. October 1, 2019 10:57 pm

    Brexit Party are explicitly trying to pry blue collar workers away from Labour. They are the demographic most hurt by the green-progressives’ policies and by the EU, but they’ve been rusted-on Labour since hairy old Karl was buried at Highgate.

    Unfortunately they also read the Grauniad and such, so none of them will have had any exposure to climate sanity.

    Baby steps. It’s pretty clear that Farage will fold this party once Brexit has been achieved.

  10. October 1, 2019 11:03 pm

    Unlikely that greencrap will ever amount to more than a small percentage of total world energy needs, which are bound to shoot up in the next few decades.

  11. billbedford permalink
    October 1, 2019 11:58 pm

    I don’t understand why anyone should be surprised by the Brexit party espousing green policies. They are both backed by roughly similar groups of oligarchs and both have at their core the preservation of the power of existing elites.

  12. Nancy & John Hultquist permalink
    October 2, 2019 5:04 am

    Unrelated note:
    US National Hurricane Center is now expecting Lorenzo to pass over Dublin and London – but as a much reduced storm, not a hurricane. Time = Thursday.

  13. jack broughton permalink
    October 2, 2019 10:05 am

    A recent green-scheme in Scotland has installed a Reverse Archimedes-screw generator at Staughton Park, Edinburgh. The cost is “over” £ 500,000 to generate 39 kWe. Even on the most optimistic calculations for the technology, this is a 30 year simple payback scheme: i.e. impossible to justify on any sane economical grounds. It is being massively subsidised by all of us of course. I’ll visit it next year as part of my fringe festival week!

    Even worse, the machine has been made in Holland rather than Scotland, so it has the same employment benefit to the UK as all the wonderful wind white-elephants: i.e. ……….

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