Brighton’s New Bin Lorries Look Like Being Diesel
By Paul Homewood
h/t Mr GrimNasty
By total coincidence, this news appeared in Brighton this week:
Old rubbish trucks in Brighton and Hove are likely to be replaced with diesel rather than electric vehicles.
The ageing fleet of 53 bin lorries is overdue to be replaced, according to a report going before a Brighton and Hove City Council committee next Tuesday (26 November).
Repeated breakdowns have resulted in extra spending on repairs, replacement vehicle hire and overtime to cover missed work.
Missed collections are also described in the report as “damaging the council’s reputation”.
Diesel is the chosen option as electric refuse collection trucks are expensive and the power drains quickly if the trucks have to go uphill – a necessity in Brighton and Hove.
The electric bin lorries also cost an extra £143,671 each which would mean spending £792 more to save one tonne of CO2.
Cityclean tested bin lorries fitted with electric lifting and compressing gear but these were found to be too slow and unreliable.
Members of the council’s Environment, Transport and Sustainability Committee are being asked to approve a fleet renewal strategy.
Something we often forget about HGVs is that they don’t only need an engine to move them around. They also need to power various equipment. In rubbish trucks it the lifting and compressor gear.
The Green Party are well represented in Brighton, 19 town councillors out of a total of 54, not to mention a Green MP.
Unfortunately bin lorries don’t do politics!
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
There’s nowt for Brighton Council to be embarrassed about choosing diesel-engined refuse collection vehicles.
Greenpeace chooses diesel engines for ALL its boats, including its flagship ‘sailing’ vessel Rainbow Warrior3:
Bio-diesel from recycled cooking oil perhaps 😎
Or destroy the habitat of orang utans.
Only as B20 – i.e. must have at least 80% fossil fuel diesel. 😉
https://caterpillar.scene7.com/is/content/Caterpillar/C10419422
And the Polar Rovers it runs in conjunction with a wildlife travel firm in Churchill, Manitoba:
Sorry got Gpeace confused with WWF, same difference.
Denis….ahh, WWtF. They’re all the same. 🙂
“Unfortunately bin lorries don’t do politics!”
OR virtue signalling
….except for the virtue of getting rid of our rubbish – for which we all pay a virtuous amount of tax.
When they get round to it. The collection of the recycling is so unreliable here in South Oxfordshire that i now separate all combustables from recycling (paper, card, plastics) and burn them in my garden firebin so the recycling bin only has metals and glass by and large and doesnt overflow when routinely uncollected. That said i managed to bury alot of glass this summer. Its rock after all and makes good soakaways.
And then they scratch their heads over why fly-tipping has increased. And then throw in what happens if you live on the boundaries where your nearest dump won’t accept you because it is a different council to where you live. Then try it also if you happen to own a van but not for any work reasons.
(Currently broken down) Rampion looking to triple in size!
https://www.spiritfm.net/news/sussex-news/2993913/offshore-windfarm-could-be-expanded-as-far-as-bognor/
Thanks to our EU membership, a super-trawler was allowed to decimated life in the channel a few days ago, I noticed all the dead bycatch washing up (never seen anything like it before) – Dolphins, rays, various sharks.
Rampion windfarm will just as effectively trawl the skies for migrating birds and bats.
The way things are going, it’s looking like soon there will be no approach to the UK where flying wildlife doesn’t have to run the gauntlet.
The PR campaign is winding up – apparently the Argus believes the windmills are good for/encouraging Dolphins! No mention of the plastic blade erosion or dead birds etc.
People always doubt that windmills can so effectively kill birds – so what are the odds that one watched bird would be killed then?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13111346.rare-migrating-bird-dies-after-flying-into-wind-turbine/
Rampion seems to have had a very poor capacity factor ever since it started up. Doubtless for the extension they want to build even taller hubs to accommodate the latest 10MW turbines to try to make up for it all. Just one chimney at Shoreham power station for the 400MW of CCGT there. Already 118 turbines supposedly capable of providing the same 400MW, but in practice struggling to average 100MW.
Were I fighting the planning application I would have a big section questioning the economics give me the poor performance of the existing farm, and the risk that the enterprise would go bankrupt, leaving no funding to remove the unsightly towers.
I would also point out that with the planned enormous expansion of interconnector capacity to France there is no need of the capacity. If the idea is supposed to be that UK bill payers subsidise the wind farm to export to France when they shut too much nuclear, then we need to see the wind farm charged with capacity reservation costs on the interconnectors, and a guarantee that they will get no export subsidy from UK bill payers.
Very well discovered and publicised P.H.
The green mentality comes into contact with reality and reality wins. Tell me again how electric vehicles reduce carbon emissions. Tell me again how carbon emissions make the climate go really hot. Tell me again how there is no difference between carbon and carbon dioxide.
Reblogged this on Climate- Science.press.
How about having a local referendum about declaring a “Climate Emergency” before doing it? Explain to the local citizens how much their rates and taxes would increase. See how much enthusiasm that would generate.
looks like the sh*t is about to hit the fan! It is nice to dream but reality hits eventually. Should be fun from hereon in.
Paul,
This is the preliminary analysis for the 2019 Yorkshire etc flooding from CEH, they seem to say the records don’t show a trend but really surprisingly climate model attribution studies will show it was all down to AGW.
https://www.ceh.ac.uk/news-and-media/blogs/severity-of-november-2019-floods-uk-preliminary-analysis?utm_source=cehsocial&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nov19floods
Terry Marsh has retired so the younger breed takeover. I will now go back to sleep! as all hope is lost, they have to find a trend so they will. The model will prove the model.
And, interestingly, the report ignores ‘land catchment/management practices’, whose impact on the 2019 flooding events, they admit, could have been ‘significant’ but their affects have yet to be properly scrutinised. But, hey ho, despite no major deviation in recent rainfall trends, the models say that it was global warming what done it. That’ll be 21st Century science according to the nation’s top hydrologists. It makes you want to weep.
It makes you weep! I cannot believe what they are saying.
The most extreme flood of my experience was July 2007 summer flooding (I got my feet wet literally) is not and was not predicted by any of the climate models the CEH and UK Met office are now using to do the attribution studies.
Credibility ZERO. If your model does not predict it can not attribute, unless you have decided the answer beforehand! No skill in your model, no skill in your result.
Utter rubbish start to finish.
You will hear no more from me this is bl**dy pointless.
All the Brighton greenies can’t be doing what they promised.
After many years of greenery, they must be really close to their “Zero Waste ” target, surely?
53 bin lorries?
What on earth can they be for?
By now, surely they could manage with a bright young man (or girl. Or someone in between), peddling round on a hand-knitted unicycle?
No?
Please don’t tell me all their ‘refuse – reuse – recycle’ genius strategies were all in vain?
I’m devestated…
Have you seen how much rubbish is left all over the beach after they hold one of their green woke snowflake virtue signalling multigender festivals?
Yes, a lot of trucks have a PTO – power take off – from the gearbox to drive ancillary equipment. I’ve done road sweepers, sewer jetters, runway sweepers and refuse collectors and it is used on all of them. Any truck with something that moves uses a PTO. Concrete trucks, tippers, hiabs etc.
You have to remember that most councillors are ignorant morons – being greens in Brighton even more so – and sadly so are a lot of the council officers these days. They seriously think lots of cargo bikes are the way forward for deliveries in London. Or if not that, forcing deliveries to be done outside the working day which will mean more costs for delivery companies and those receiving them. Look at how much money the ULEZ charge introduced by Saddo Khan has cost London since it is a tax on business.
From bBBC
The BBC are supporting their climate change agenda by allowing Martha Kearney to report for a week from……wait for it…..Antarctica !!!!!!!
Oh the irony. She’s already there. And this morning on Toady she casually assigned the recent flooding in Yorkshire to rising sea levels!!!!!!!!!
That’s funny. Until now, I was happy to accept the BBC weather reports which put it down to a lot of rain which fell constantly when by chance a weather front pivoted and the focal point was unfortunately over South Yorkshire.
So here we have a BBC reporter sent at vast expense and CO2 production across the world to lecture us on climate change and then make a totally false accusation about a weather event to justify her stance
There’s more if you listen to last Sunday’s FooC where Dan Johnson made a number or errors and biases in his essay from Fishlake
eg he praised local things like a solar park, wind turbines and “LOWER” CO2 from Drax.
misattributed Boris’s quote about Matlock flooding not being a national immunity.
and of course mis-attributed Fishlake flooding to Global Warming.
BTW I only just realised that Fishlake is just down the road from me. It’s 4 motorway junctions down just behind the M18/M180 service station.
The thing is I do know that from November 3 there was already a minor flood problem in that area cos the trainline was closed for 3 days. That was a week before that standing weather system we got that brought constant rain to Sheffield.
link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000bdlt
Yes, I was cycling around that area just the week before the flood.
The road into Barnby Dun was closed due to flooding, which had spilt over from the adjacent fields. I got off and pushed along the top of the embankment next to the river, which seemed to be higher than the road. This was just a couple of miles from Fishlake
I think someone needs to be able to call out Harrabin on his green campaigning during the election. He should be put on a box for the duration. Unfortunately, there is Madrid coming up. Who is going to get a nice winter holiday?
They should really have gone ‘electric’. Brighton then finds out just how expensive and impractical bin collection becomes.
Let me see if I have got this straight. Brighton & Hove City Council bought 53 electric dustcarts at a unit cost £143,671 greater than the price of a similar diesel dustcart (by a paltry £7.6M) and the new machines were unreliable and expensive to maintain and repair and now need to be replaced. It seems to me that the rate-payers will want to see the Council’s CEO sacked before the decision to buy more vehicles is finalised as a starter and for the Council’s Audit department to urgently review its position.
And all to achieve a presumed reduction of CO2, a harmless trace gas which benefits the living members of the planet by bolstering plant growth? I had heard that Brighton was ‘special’, but not to this extent surely?
Brighton’s scare monger in chief in 2009:
“Caroline Lucas MEP, the leader of the Green Party, last week agreed on television that flying to Spain was “as bad as knifing a person in the street”, because air travel like this is causing people to die “from climate change”.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5177468/Save-the-planet-rhetoric-soars-to-crazy-new-heights.html
She’s standing up for Brighton: https://www.carolinelucas.com
Maybe she thinks flying to see her son in the US kills a street gang off?
As a BBC pensioner, after 22 years service, I think it is tragic that such rubbish, e.g. about rising sea levels causing inland flooding, can be broadcast by intelligent people. Did she not think it was a bit strange? Did she not query the source? Maybe being in Antarctica had frozen her senses.
Sea levels are going up by 8″ a century. I think I can still hear the hollow laughter from the poor souls in Fishlake who have been told it wasn’t rain, but sea level rise that flooded them. Not that they might have guessed it would happen from the name of the village…
It gets better Ken, I understand the BBC have managed to secure the services of St Greta as a guest editor of Radio 4 over Christmas…’How dare you cook that turkey etc etc’. Can’t wait for that. Bah humbug.
I agree! Dreadful thought but tempered by the fact that they have also given Charles Moore a day! Read him in the D Telegraph today for a more balanced view!
An ex-friend bought me a mug with a world map that changes colour to show how climate change will effect the world. Clearly based on the latest models it shows that central america and most of Spain will disappear and that Russia will become a large desert.
I guess that these mugs are standard BBC issue!