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New petrol and diesel cars could be made £1,500 more expensive to subsidise electric vehicles

September 11, 2020

By Paul Homewood

 

 

h/t Patsy Lacey

 

 

Of course, if we won’t do as we’re told, we will have to be punished!

 

 

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A feasibility study commissioned by minsters on ways to accelerate the uptake of electric vehicles has suggested making new petrol and diesel cars £1,500 more expensive.

The report, published by the Department for Transport this week, said the funds generated by the additional cost of motors with internal combustion engines could be used to subsidise battery vehicles, which are generally more expensive to buy.

But the motor industry’s trade body has blasted the suggestion, saying such a move would penalise those who can’t afford electric cars currently, or don’t have the facilities to charge them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-8719073/Petrol-diesel-cars-1-500-expensive-fund-electric.html

 

 

The report was co-written by the Behavioural Insights Team, who have this to say about themselves:

The Behavioural Insights Team exists to improve people’s lives and communities. We work in partnership with governments, local authorities, businesses and charities, often using simple changes to tackle major policy problems.

The Team has grown from a seven-person unit at the heart of the UK government to a global social purpose company with offices around the world. Our work spanned 31 countries in the last year alone.

Our mission remains the same. We generate and apply behavioural insights to inform policy, improve public services and deliver results for citizens and society

We are jointly owned by the UK Cabinet Office, innovation charity Nesta and our employees.

https://www.bi.team/about-us/

In other words, they are just another parasitical quango, puffed up with taxpayers’ money, who want to tell us how to live our lives, whether we like it or not.

42 Comments
  1. jack broughton permalink
    September 11, 2020 11:44 am

    Reads a bit like Big Brother who asos set out to “improve” citizens life whether they wanted it or not. They are also trying to impose their morality on 31 other countries! Doubleduckspeak!

  2. September 11, 2020 11:57 am

    Are lawsuits possible?

  3. johnbillscott permalink
    September 11, 2020 11:58 am

    As a quid pro quo, EV’s should have a surcharge to cover all the costs of providing all infrastructure required to distribute electrical power. This would range from extra generator capacity, incremental cost of grid improvements local distribution systems right down to domestic and public charging stations.

    • In the Real World permalink
      September 11, 2020 4:40 pm

      Unfortunately they will never admit the true cost of changing to EVs .

      At the present level of generation capacity , no more than about 5% of cars could charge up each day in the winter months , but possibly nearly 10% per day in the summer .
      Along with the insanity of all electric home heating , mass EV charging would need something like another 20 to 40 Hinckley C power stations , plus an enormous upgrade to the grid . So several £Trillion .

      Then , along with the increasing cost per KWh as we go to more ” Unreliable ” generation , the cost per mile for an EV will be more than for an ICE car . Just like in Germany .
      So , very expensive to buy , very expensive to run , loses huge amounts of value when they need replacing in a relatively short time .

      The whole thing is just part of the UNs plan to take as much money of the Western world as they can to bring about their ” New Order , One World Government “

  4. Jackington permalink
    September 11, 2020 12:03 pm

    It’s the same dubious logic that has been used in the energy sector : put up the price of fossil fuels and use the money raised to promote renewables; then later they say, look how much the price of renewables has come down. Now the same with cars, look how much the price of EVs has come down!

  5. September 11, 2020 12:08 pm

    The climate industrial complex. Just as Eisenhower had warned.

  6. JimW permalink
    September 11, 2020 12:15 pm

    They are one of the ‘persuaders’ in the 3rd Dimension world described by Dilbert’s author, Scott Adams. The persuaders are the ones used to change the mindset of 90% of the population who are governed by emotions not logic. Fear is one of the main tools of the persuaders. People who believe logic makes the world go round live in the 2 Dimension World. Mr Adams believes we live in a 3D world, increasingly I think he is right.

  7. DMS permalink
    September 11, 2020 12:18 pm

    I have had dealings with the BIT through their dealings with taxpayers. It is not pretty, and they really do like to play mind games. Across a group of 1500 taxpayers with a similar problem, they divided them up into 5 groups and sent them different letters to see what effect they had. The range was from asking politely for co-operation to aggressive threats if they didn’t comply. They constantly advise government on policy implementations and how to get people to comply. They have been active in Covid manoeuvres, along with 77 Brigade. This is no longer a democracy, I’m afraid.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      September 11, 2020 12:46 pm

      If you read Peter Hitchens article in the Mail on Sunday about the legislation enacted to prosecute Piers Corbyn for holding an anti-lockdown demonstration you will see how the UK is now a No.10 controlled dictatorship. It was barely a democracy before as only one part of the word applied – lots of people vote but they have no power.

      • Martin Burlin permalink
        September 11, 2020 2:02 pm

        To quote Mark Twain, “If elections really made a difference they would never let you vote.”

      • Chaswarnertoo permalink
        September 11, 2020 2:15 pm

        They can Foxtrot Oscar.

      • mwhite permalink
        September 11, 2020 4:36 pm

        You may like to watchthis

        “Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained”

  8. mikewaite permalink
    September 11, 2020 12:21 pm

    -“In other words, they are just another parasitical quango, puffed up with taxpayers’ money, who want to tell us how to live our lives, whether we like it or not.”-
    I would be inclined to go further than “just another quango” having looked at their company accounts which includes an overview of UK and world activities
    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08567792/filing-history
    and also a frightening description of their connections with many global Common Purpose and Smart Energy organisations and how the Govt actions on Covid are basically run by the BIT team
    https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/behavioural-insights-second-team-leading-uk-governments-covid-19-response

    However if you can get hold of their shares they give a good dividend. Funny thing though the accounts are very detailed but do not seem to my uneducated eye much indication of exactly how the income is generated , ie how are they funded? Foreign aid budget?

  9. Mewswithaview permalink
    September 11, 2020 12:24 pm

    Have they considered how much more C02 we have to expend to support their virtue signalling? Considering that is coming from after tax income how much longer does the average wage earner need to work to afford a car?

  10. ianprsy permalink
    September 11, 2020 12:39 pm

    I celebrated World EV Day yesterday with a blast over the Pennines, distributing an important plant food. Meanwhile, the Germans don’t like the attack on their industry either:

    https://thegwpf.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c920274f2a364603849bbb505&id=f8b8e719d9&e=6384b6057a

  11. Ian Phillips permalink
    September 11, 2020 12:40 pm

    I would highly recommend looking at the chapter in Michael Shellenberger’s “Apocalypse Never”, titled “Destroying the Environment to Save it”.. focusing on the futility of expecting to be able to supply the world’s power needs from solar energy.
    Elon Musk claimed that a tiny square of the US desert is enough to power the US. But Shellenberg calculates that 10% of the US yearly demand, of 400 terawatt-hours, thus generated in the sunny summer months would have to be stored in lithium batteries for winter use. Cost would be $188Trillion at current prices. By overbuilding the farm by 80%, to an area of (wait for it) 18,000 square miles…. which is equivalent to the total area of Connecticut and Maryland together, the storage demand would be reduced to a capacity of 16 terawatt-hours. The battery storage would then only require one square mile, says Musk. But based on the 120megawatt storage facility in Escondido, California, needing only 1.2 Acres, to achieve even the 16Terrawatt-hours, battery storage would itself require 250 square miles.
    However this is just for electricity use. If all energy were to be supplied in this way, between 25 and 50% of all land in the US would be needed!
    Shellenberger, while not challenging the AGW hypothesis is strongly advocating the immediate resurrecting of the nuclear energy building programme, as the only way to achieve the necessary high power density in a fossil fuel free world.
    You don’t need a degree in physics to check this out. It’s all basic arithmetic.
    Apocalypse Never is an absolute “must read”. It’s very reasonably priced on eBay.
    We must keep fossil fuels going while the next generation of nuclear plants are built, and forget about round figure deadlines, such as 2050.

  12. Sensescaper permalink
    September 11, 2020 12:50 pm

    Don’t you just love living in a free and democratic market? I’ll stick with my old cars as long as possible. I’m way beyond the need to impress anyone with what I’m driving any longer. I dare say my road tax and fuel cost will soar every year as well mind you. We all have to keep our oligarch monarchy happy. After all – we’re all born to serve them aren’t we? Oligarchs, bankers & celebrities – the most important people on earth……?

  13. Athelstan. permalink
    September 11, 2020 1:24 pm

    Below bog standard thinking from a bunch of imbeciles and why do they think that they can fix the market when 99% of drivers know – electric cars are a rich man’s green run around toy.

  14. September 11, 2020 1:40 pm

    Just how many “troughers” aka thievs stealing our hard pittance. The government need to be culled, savaged if there were any justice.

  15. A C Osborn permalink
    September 11, 2020 2:02 pm

    I posted this on the other EV thread.

    Another development is this new Solar powered 30 station electric only forecourt to be opened in November.
    It has a government grant of £4.86Million, covers 3.5 acres and has battery backup.
    The charging units come from a Swiss/Sweden company.
    It has 3.50Kw charging units to recharge cars in 20 to 30 minutes.

    So 30 x 350Kw = 10Mw times 2 = 20Mwh.

    That is going to need to be one very big battery for the winter, let alone after dusk.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-8719683/UKs-electric-car-forecourt-Essex-nears-completion.html

    • Adam Gallon permalink
      September 11, 2020 3:35 pm

      30 stations & a £4.86m subsidy. £162,000/station.

    • It doesn't add up... permalink
      September 11, 2020 10:45 pm

      Bet it’s got a grid connection “just in case”. Or maybe a hidden bank of diesel generators?

  16. Harry Passfield permalink
    September 11, 2020 2:20 pm

    EVs, like the humble milk-float of old, could have their place. But they cannot, by any stretch of logic, be a total replacement for the ICE. If a policy needs the rule of law to make it so then it is the wrong policy.

  17. September 11, 2020 3:55 pm

    Is all this nonsense going to push up the price of second hand petrol and diesel cars? If so I’m getting worried as my little old (04) Nissan Micra isn’t going to last for ever. If it doesn’t outlast me will my pension stretch to a replacement?

    • Russ Wood permalink
      September 12, 2020 3:07 pm

      When I retired, I bought a small Honda 5-door. It’s called a Jazz here in South Africa, and with regular servicing, I’ve had it for 14 years now. So, if you buy a ‘quality’ name, and look after it, you should simply outlast all of these ‘subsidised’ EVs!

  18. CheshireRed permalink
    September 11, 2020 4:08 pm

    They already have the best answer in todays marketplace; self-charging hybrid.

    * Fit for purpose
    * Reliable
    * Zero emissions in urban areas
    * Self-charging, so don’t need £multi-billion charging network.
    * So obvious a child of 10 could tell government that this makes sense.

    Clearly only a £multi-million Quango of nonsense can help government arrive at the ‘correct’ decision. Our mad world is beset with madness everywhere. I think I want to get off.

    • It doesn't add up... permalink
      September 11, 2020 10:48 pm

      Big downside of such vehicles is that so much space is taken with the dual fuel systems and motors on top of engines that you’re squeezed for boot space. As for an estate car to carry 2-3 dogs – forget it.

    • BLACK PEARL permalink
      September 12, 2020 3:54 pm

      As they age they will be a nightmare expense with all the additional electronics.
      Expect devaluation at a high rate

  19. mjr permalink
    September 11, 2020 4:40 pm

    I wonder if this outfit are also advising the government to handle the covid fraud. There seems to be a lot of dodgy insights into behaviour involved

  20. September 11, 2020 5:19 pm

    just Starting my new biz driving cars across the Irish border
    to sell as second hand in the north.

  21. Nancy & John Hultquist permalink
    September 11, 2020 5:23 pm

    Luboš Motl (The Reference Frame) has a post on Lithium reserves and the physics of energy.

    _ _ _ _
    In the USA, tax on gasoline is used for highway construction and maintenance. Any significant increase in EVs will soon find them taxed for their fair share. How best to do this has been studied. Likely a law suit will be needed to shake the lawmakers to do this.

  22. September 11, 2020 5:25 pm

    O/T Oz : activist court loss : great news for job seekers and businesses in Australia after mining giant Adani was granted an injunction to prevent environmental activist Ben Pennings’ public attacks on the company. vid
    The ongoing harassment campaign from Mr Pennings has costed Adani millions of dollars, according to Sky News host Peta Credlin who described the granting of the injunction as a “big win”.

  23. C Lynch permalink
    September 11, 2020 5:26 pm

    I wonder if you could do a bit of fact checking Paul on the usual claims by the MSM that the fires on the US West Coast are “Unprecedented”.
    My CAGW believing friends are besieging me with smug ‘game, set and match’ type comments. I know it’s the usual fake BS but I’d like some facts to go back at them with.

  24. September 11, 2020 5:29 pm

    O/T Matt Ridley talking sense about recent XR demos
    where ultimately one nutter defaced the Churchill memorial

  25. Gamecock permalink
    September 11, 2020 5:59 pm

    ‘saying it penalises those who don’t want EVs yet’

    YET??? You vill be happy mit electric car!

  26. yonason permalink
    September 11, 2020 9:57 pm

    Is there any perverse and twisted idea for imposing waste and inefficiency on normal people that Leftist politicians won’t embrace?

  27. I_am_not_a_robot permalink
    September 11, 2020 10:34 pm

    The push to expensive EVs and against fossil-fuelled is designed to reduce the use of personal vehicles altogether, just as the push to renewables is to increase the cost of electricity from all fuel sources thereby reducing consumption.

  28. Phoenix44 permalink
    September 12, 2020 8:46 am

    And did they work out the effects of having to pay £1,500 more for something on the rest of the economy?

    Semi-intelligent peoplecwho think they are geniuses playing God with our lives. Can anybody explain why this is allowed? Why a Tory government would encourage it? The whole point about being on the Right is a smaller state that stays out of our lives.

  29. September 12, 2020 11:59 am

    If you have a new energy technology that the new energy giant works, you take it to the market for energy and compete and win. If you have a new energy technology that does not work, you have to introduce sufficient barriers and inefficiencies in the market for energy to push that technology through. Conversely, if you need activism and market inefficiencies to sell your product, it is not competitive and therefore not a good product.

  30. Gamecock permalink
    September 14, 2020 1:31 pm

    Realize that £1,500 is a political number. EVs are vastly more expensive than petrol cars. £1,500 will make little difference.

    “The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing.” – Jean-Baptiste Colbert

  31. Peter permalink
    September 17, 2020 3:42 pm

    It is very striking that the learned academics who conduct such research never seem to share the wisdom shown by the members of the public they survey.

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