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Cumbria Mine To Face New Public Inquiry

March 12, 2021
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By Paul Homewood

 

 We have been closely following the saga of the proposed Cumbria coal mine, which Roger Harrabin and his green cronies have been fighting hard to stop. Unfortunately it now seems likely that they will succeed in their efforts:

 

 

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Robert Jenrick has bowed to pressure in long-running row over a new coal mine in Cumbria tonight – ordering a fresh inquiry into whether it can go ahead.

Cumbria County Council was due to review the decision to open the first new coal mine in Britain for decades, after approving it twice.

After an outcry from green campaigners, ministers have u-turned and it will now be subject to a local public inquiry.

But a furious row erupted in Westminster after Tory MPs complained they would miss out on massive investment in their local area

An independent head of planning will make the final call on whether it can go ahead, taking the decision out of local chiefs’ hands.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/14312998/cumbria-coal-mine-ministers-intervene-cop/

 

Naturally Harrabin and others will be delighted:

 

Labour’s shadow business secretary, Ed Miliband, welcomed the news tonight. He said: "The truth is that this mine is terrible for our fight against climate change, won’t help our steel industry and won’t create secure jobs.

"The Government must now block the mine and focus instead on real solutions to secure the long-term future of UK steel – and create low-carbon jobs in Cumbria and across the country with a proper green stimulus."

Nearby MP Tim Farron added: "It’s fantastic news that the Government have at long last finally woken up to the fact that this mine would be an alrighty backwards step in our fight against climate change.

"In the year that Britain hosts COP26, it is blindingly obvious that we won’t be taken seriously on the world stage with this coal mine hanging round our neck.

"I hope this public inquiry leads to these plans finally being axed."

I just hope they can look themselves in the mirror, because there are many who will suffer as a result of their actions:

 

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Almost a quarter of children in Copeland are living in poverty according to a shock report.

Figures from End Child Poverty show that  after housing costs more than 3,000 children – 23.12 per cent – are living below the breadline.

And the Citizens’ Advice Bureau Copeland has revealed that some families face a stark choice between heating and lighting their homes, and feeding their children.

https://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/news/17256953.nearly-quarter-copeland-children-living-poverty/

 

The new mine would have created 500 well paid jobs, with maybe an extra 2000 in the supply chain. Investment in infrastructure would almost certainly have followed. There are 12,000 unemployed in Cumbria, many in Copeland and the area around it. Many more are in low paid jobs, and would have been desperately hoping for a job at the mine, or at least to benefit from the extra wealth brought into the area.

Now, thanks to the likes of Harrabin, Deben, Miliband and Farron, those hopes now appear to be dashed. I hope they feel proud of themselves.

85 Comments
  1. LeedsChris permalink
    March 12, 2021 3:08 pm

    This is how the mainstream parties operate – we voted Conservative but actually have a Green Government. How come at every election the Green Party gets maybe 2-3% of the vote, yet the other main parties now implement the Green Party agenda.

  2. 1saveenergy permalink
    March 12, 2021 3:09 pm

    Roger Harrabin was cock-a-hoop on R4 this morning.

  3. Lez permalink
    March 12, 2021 3:16 pm

    But Milliband and his deluded chums will be all in favour of despoiling the beautiful Hampshire countryside with 22,000 solar panels.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/12/alan-titchmarsh-slams-plans-build-22000-solar-panels-pristine/

  4. William Birch permalink
    March 12, 2021 3:22 pm

    I think we are in a political game. The Local people of West Cumberland want the mine because they want the Jobs. Their council have been pressurised by Harrabin and his Eco-warriors to think again. Boris was hoping that the Ludicrous UN COP 22 Glasgow event had come and gone by now but unfortunately for him it has been rescheduled to November 2021. To save face, he needs the “ball to be in row Z of the stand” rather than appearing to score an “own goal”. What better way of dong this than calling for a public inquiry? Months to get all the stakeholders to prepare their cases. Weeks for them to present at the public enquiry. Months for the inspector to write his report. Months for the secretary of state to come to a decision. Ergo we will now be well past the November 2021 Eco- jamboree by the time the decision is announced on whether to approve the mine or not. The game is far from over.

    • Cheshire Red permalink
      March 12, 2021 4:21 pm

      Hope you’re right, however it’s clear we’re being governed by total lunatics.

      I despair at the direction this country is headed.

      • Chaswarnertoo permalink
        March 12, 2021 6:18 pm

        Yep.

      • Tonyb permalink
        March 12, 2021 6:47 pm

        According to the BBC environmental correspondent on the news at 7 this morning we can use coffee grounds in some magical process to create carbon to harden the steel, so the coking coal is not needed

    • Ian Miller permalink
      March 12, 2021 4:40 pm

      It’l take GUTS and a lot of it, and LEADERSHIP, to tell the truth and call out the Global Warming Climate Change fraud that it is, Nevertheless the Woke crowd will be astonished at the weight of public opinion rapidly forming against it.
      As with Brexit so also will our astonished politicians living in today’s bubble, not know what the hell has hit them, not will they understand the size of the public opposition to their insane policies being currently pursued.
      They should make a start by listening to REAL people.

      • Adam Gallon permalink
        March 12, 2021 5:29 pm

        Well, that rules out Borisconi.
        Trump didn’t do it either.
        Too many vested interests at work now. From the wind & solar subsidy farmers, to the vehicle manufacturers.
        Public opinion isn’t rapidly forming against it, the majority of the public believe what their hear & see on Attenborough’s programs, for example.
        They believe that 97% of scientists agree & those that don’t, are paid by “Big Oil/Coal”.
        They believe that wind & solar produce cheap electricity & their bills are rising due to evil power companies fleecing them.

      • March 12, 2021 9:19 pm

        It also rules out Smarmer and the rest of the Labour, Lib Dims and SNP, so why make it all about Boris?

        As you well know, this climate nonsense started with the Bliar, and continued with the walking disaster Brown, the Blair Wannalike Cameron, and the useless May. And of course Labour have even more extreme policies.

        The biggest mistake we make is to personalise this around one person, who you strangely happen to dislike, as it gives the impression that if we get rid of Boris all the problems go away.

      • March 13, 2021 7:12 am

        Tony,

        your comment illustrates a problem,

        Coking coal is used to make iron, not steel, there clearly is a confusion in a lot of people’s minds between the two materials. They are different materials used for different purposes. Yes steel is made of iron, but iron has much more carbon in it than even high carbon steel, which comes from the smelting process and the fuel used.

      • Robert Christopher permalink
        March 13, 2021 8:09 am

        Adam Gallon: Trump didn’t do it either.

        Trump did change US Energy policy, then he was ‘voted out’.

      • Robert Christopher permalink
        March 13, 2021 8:17 am

        Paul Homewood: It also rules out Smarmer and the rest of the Labour, Lib Dims and SNP, so why make it all about Boris?

        And then there’s the BBC. And we pay for it!!! 🙂

        (Thanks Paul for continuing the fight. My earlier post has a quote from Professor David Blake, Professor of Economics at City, University of London about the dangers of a dysfunctional energy policy.)

    • billbedford permalink
      March 12, 2021 9:02 pm

      Well, yes. but which side does Carrie play on?

    • Robin Guenier permalink
      March 13, 2021 11:50 am

      I agree William. We should welcome his inquiry.

      The UN climate summit in November (COP 26) is certain to fail (although no doubt weasel words will be found to minimise that failure) and, were this project progressing, you can be sure the UK would have been blamed – conveniently obscuring the non-Western world’s lack of serious concern about continued GHG emissions.

  5. 1saveenergy permalink
    March 12, 2021 3:26 pm

    We just switched electric suppler from Octopus to
    Symbio Energy
    Low Fair and Green 12M Fixed SE01 v22
    14.2p per kWh
    15p per day standing charge

    at that price it’s worth a look
    https://symbioenergy.co.uk/

    I note that ALL the suppliers now “only use renewable energy”
    but last yr renewable energy was ~25% of demand who did what with the other 75% ???

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      March 12, 2021 3:44 pm

      Before I switched him off, as I usually do – ‘cos the man is a thicko, I heard Vine on BBC R2 about to discuss the numbers of people going for green energy accounts. He admitted that he had thought it was odd how green suppliers didn’t offer really green energy but that green suppliers bought credits to offset the supply of ff energy! I think he really believed green was really green- as, it seems is he.

      • March 12, 2021 4:24 pm

        There is a general naivety regarding what green means. Saying it over and over again together with “sustainability” for some seem to mean everything. There is a vagueness to it all and that is deliberate Ask anyone and 99 out of 100 will have the same response as Vine because they “believe” green means good so no need to question the dark and unscrupulous forces at work here. People are now educated to be children, taught what to think not how to think. and certainly those under 40 behave like children.

        I listened to a brilliant quote the other day but unfortunately I missed the name of the person making it. Person 1 “When I grow up I want to be a socialist”. Person 2 “You cannot be both”.

    • Adam Gallon permalink
      March 12, 2021 5:31 pm

      They all buy their “Carbon Offsets”

      • Duker permalink
        March 13, 2021 12:19 am

        Its really a ‘Green Pantomine’, as something thats all dressed to to appear as something different with charades added for chuckles

    • Gerry, England permalink
      March 14, 2021 11:12 am

      I used to be with Symbio Energy until they put their price up and I moved to Green Energy. With Symbio you just need to understand their system of paying in advance as opposed to the more common system. There is nothing wrong with it and as they say you do only ever pay for what you have used in the end. I did have an ongoing battle with them over their sometimes ridiculous estimates which often saw me not reach their reading until halfway through the next month which did mean the payments kept fluctuating. They could not grasp that there was barely any change between winter and summer as I have no electric heating. They did offer to fix a monthly amount to their credit.

      I then had to complain when one of their minions accused me of not giving an accurate annual use figure when I signed up to them and that since March 2020 I was using more electricity. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to something that happened in March 2020 that might have increased my use? Gold star for those who said lockdown and working from home and nothing for Symbio who couldn’t see that. unfortunately for them I keep good records and could clearly show them that at the time my annual figure was correct and that from March last year it had increased to be 500kwh higher.

  6. Mark Hodgson permalink
    March 12, 2021 3:31 pm

    That quote from Milliband is a disgrace. “”The truth is that this mine is terrible for our fight against climate change, won’t help our steel industry and won’t create secure jobs….”

    Every one of the three parts of it is untrue. It is not terrible for a fight against climate change – it will probably reduce net CO2 emissions, since it would replace coking coal that will otherwise be imported from some distance away, with GHG emissions associated with transporting it. In any event, the CO2 emissions associated with it (even if net positive rather than negative) are utterly insignificant in the context of global emissions, and will in reality make no difference one way or the other. It will help our steel industry; and it will create secure jobs.

    For a Labour MP – a Labour MP, whose seat is a former coal-mining constituency – to say “[t]he Government must now block the mine…” is nothing short of a disgrace. He needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

    I live in west Cumbria. Those jobs are much-needed, and the consensus of opinion here is that the mine should be allowed to go ahead.

    • William Birch permalink
      March 13, 2021 4:41 pm

      Remember the Labour Party did nothing to save the uk coal mining industry. It was BLiar who refused to help keep the Shelby complex going and actually paid our tax payers money to shut it down. At the time Shelby was the most advanced coal mine in the world

  7. Penda100 permalink
    March 12, 2021 3:32 pm

    Miliband thinks the mine would not help the UK steel industry but banning the mine will surely help the Chinese steel (or should that be steal) industry. If the ban stands the so-called Conservative Government should be utterly ashamed.

    • March 12, 2021 4:14 pm

      Minibrain you mean….

      • March 12, 2021 5:52 pm

        Minibrain and Harebrain make a perfect couple; idiots both

    • Gerry, England permalink
      March 14, 2021 11:19 am

      The question is for how much longer will we actually have a steel industry given the huge extra costs for electricity they have over even European competitors. The only way will be to have it propped up by the taxpayers but then that might fall foul of state aid rules.

      Petrochemicals won’t be too far behind as electricity cost was an issue for Grangemouth and now they have the botched Brexit to deal with and BASF are looking at closing down its Seal Sands plant.

  8. March 12, 2021 3:49 pm

    The present stance of almost all of our politicos in this area of policies is not only ignorant, stupid and Ill conceived that it amounts to bone-headed treachery to their electors and the nation.

    • March 12, 2021 4:15 pm

      The Conservative Party is now left of Teflon Tony and his band of merry men.

    • bobn permalink
      March 12, 2021 6:12 pm

      Given the Libs, Lab, Cons, Greens and Scot and welsh Nats have all gone far left gooey green woke, Is there any sensible political Party in UK? Cant vote for any of the above.
      UKip seems to have dissolved, Reform and Reclaim may become good but I dont know their views on the fake green religion.
      Anyone know any Party that can be voted for?

      • March 13, 2021 7:17 am

        Bob,

        I sent an e-mail to the Reform party asking what their policy is on climate change, sent on the 10th of this month, to date not even an acknowledgement.

        Perhaps they are overwhelmed so I’ll be patient?

      • NeilC permalink
        March 13, 2021 10:12 am

        Funny you should say that about Reform. I have been trying for weeks to find out what their “green” policy is. Nothing on any of their websites. I have emailed them a few times and not received an answer.

        I have a feeling one of their ex MEPs was of green persuasion and in a position to influence, They are very good at infiltration. Boris, Carney, Cameron etc..

      • Crowcatcher permalink
        March 13, 2021 11:16 am

        Simple, spoil your ballot paper at the next election telling them exactly what you think of them. 😈😡👹

  9. Ian Miller permalink
    March 12, 2021 4:09 pm

    If we must import our wind turbines because our uncompetitive renewable energy costs are so high and we can no longer produce them here, is it not obvious that we should be questioning  the viability of our renewable energy policy?
    Furthermore, importing what we can be producing ourselves, – sacrificing 5,000 Steel & mining jobs to satisfy a piece of fantasy CO2 saving virtue signaling when we actually need post Brexit, to get on and manufacture here is utter hypocrisy.
    We really need to seriously question the whole Woke Carbon bondoogle when China India Russia and Japan and the rest by their actions, clearly think it is nonsense.

  10. March 12, 2021 4:11 pm

    1. What is the relevance of the LOCAL MP’s being Conservative who pointed out the REAL loss of investment exactly? I smell socialist reporter.

    2. The simple question is…….. “IF that mine is not developed and worked will a similar product (coal ) have to be imported, yes or no. If the answer is YES then ANY obstacle to the mine is political and worse dangerously ANTI British!

    How many of you have heard of Hillsdale College in the States? They are a bit of a rarity these days promoting free speech. The reason I am saying this is there are a number of very good videos of lectures and talks given at Hillsdale on the world we live in.

    To get an idea of what we are dealing with in the media you need look further than this forensic talk entitled “Slanted Journalism and the 2020 Election” by Sharyl Attkisson where she describes with wonderful forensic detail the bought media and its treatment of Trump. Again and again I saw the parallel in the way the climate industrial complex controls the news and how it’s willing acolytes behave.

  11. Brian Smith permalink
    March 12, 2021 4:14 pm

    Tim Farron the nearby MP. Not for long.

  12. mwhite permalink
    March 12, 2021 4:18 pm

    Local MP against coal mine

    https://www.cwherald.com/news/mp-calls-on-government-to-ditch-plans-for-west-cumbria-coal-mine/

    “The Early Day Motion from South Lakes MP Tim Farron claims that the building of the new mine jeopardises the UK’s goal of achieving net-zero emissions by 2050”

    • Ian Miller permalink
      March 12, 2021 4:43 pm

      Who cares !!!

  13. ianprsy permalink
    March 12, 2021 4:39 pm

    Our mainstream politicians are a lost cause, hypocrites all. Now that Nigel Farage has quit politics, I hope he picks up this subject in general and this project in particular. Voting out people like Miliband may become possible

    • Adam Gallon permalink
      March 12, 2021 5:33 pm

      Farage is too thick to understand it.
      Plus, there’s no opportunities for him to fleece any mugs.

      • ianprsy permalink
        March 12, 2021 6:06 pm

        Don’t beat about the bush, Adam. Soeak your mind!

  14. Ian Miller permalink
    March 12, 2021 4:51 pm

    It’l take GUTS and a lot of it, and LEADERSHIP, to tell the truth and call out the Global Warming Climate Change fraud that it is, Nevertheless the Woke crowd will be astonished at the weight of public opinion rapidly forming against it.
    As with Brexit so also will our astonished politicians living in today’s bubble, not know what the hell has hit them, not will they understand the size of the public opposition to their insane policies being currently pursued.
    They should make a start by listening to REAL people.

  15. Mad Mike permalink
    March 12, 2021 4:56 pm

    I never thought I’d say this but where’s Arthur Scargill when you need him?

    But, seriously, when was the Government ever going to let this project go ahead. It was never going to happen even if they had to destroy local democracy to do it. Tories they ain’t.

  16. Mack permalink
    March 12, 2021 6:17 pm

    After this decision Hairbrain laughably says that ‘pressure will now be on the government to create green jobs in West Cumbria’. Actually, pressure from the natives was on the government not to torpedo the coal mine in the first place but, if he wants some green jobs, how about another nuclear reactor to mirror Sellafield? That’ll give the eco nuts something else to hyper-ventilate about whilst producing lots of reliable energy and well paid jobs. A win win. Then, once the Glasgow climate carnival is over, the mine can get the go ahead. Unfortunately, its’ backers might not hang around that long and there are few votes in Cumbria for virtue signallers, as Tim Farron MP and the Tories will no doubt discover at the next election.

  17. Malcolm Skipper permalink
    March 12, 2021 6:48 pm

    Jonny Dymond interviews Mike Starkie (Con Mayor for Copeland) on R4 World at One today.
    Positive and sensible from the Mayor who’s worry is that investors will walk away because they’ve had enough.
    39m 38s in https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000t03l

    • William birch permalink
      March 13, 2021 4:51 pm

      Only “saving grace” is that the investors have already ploughed millions of pounds into the project so scale back the project and wait for the public inquiry to deliver should be the smart move rather than pulling out and losing their investment

  18. Ken Pollock permalink
    March 12, 2021 6:59 pm

    As has already been observed, I think this is a clever strategy to get the decision deferred until after COP26. If challenged, HMG can say it has ordered a public inquiry and they have not yet decided. Once the conference is over, the inquiry decides, but HMG does whatever it wants – pro or anti. So let’s not prejudge, but work behind the scenes to make sure HMG, in whatever personage, makes the right ultimate decision: build the mine, create jobs, save imports, increase exports and save CO2 – that is a genuine win/win/win/win situation. And ignore Labour, Lib Dems and especially the Greens. None of them have a sensible word to say on the subject!

    • bobn permalink
      March 12, 2021 10:21 pm

      Sorry Ken, what you are saying is the Govt are a spineless, gutless bunch who are scared of Greenpeace and thus try to evade decision making. They (like all the other traitors in westminster) are gutless anti -British turds. A plague on all their houses. The Conservative Party is no-longer conservative. Its a hollow sham and wildly leftie like the rest. There is no Party in Westminster I could vote for.

    • Robin Guenier permalink
      March 13, 2021 11:56 am

      Well said Ken: see my reply to William Birch.

  19. Mal Fraser permalink
    March 12, 2021 7:27 pm

    Its not scargill that’s required, Mr Joe Gormley would be the man, a ‘sensible’ union leader, unlike the anarchist aforementioned. However, until we get back to educating students to think, challenge and do proper research we’re up against it. Cunning old blair suckered generations of students/parents with his 50% of people to go through university, those leftie establishments ready to sell their customers short with useless degrees and indoctrinate all and sundry with emotive bad science. Next lets give votes to even younger people, sorry but much more easily led, the SNP and PC now on that ruse. A thought…. until you start paying tax you probably have little grip on reality. Sadly the media seem to have little stomach to challenge all this tosh. Brighter note when their phones’ can’t charge because its calm and dark, the penny might drop! Keep it up folks.

  20. Jack Broughton permalink
    March 12, 2021 7:31 pm

    COP 26 is giving the nut-nutters a winning card. I could resolve the problem in one:- Westminster is in need of massive repairs (about 5 years work apparently), why not build a temporary H of C at say Sellafield so that these southern-softies could see life in the fast lane for a few years.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      March 12, 2021 9:10 pm

      They (MPs) could be on Zoom or Boom!

  21. Jackington permalink
    March 12, 2021 7:43 pm

    The big stumbling block here is the COP meeting in Glasgow – we must be seen to be doing something. I think it’s called Virtue Signaling – how did we ever get stuck with this for 2021? It’s a bit like being stuck with hosting the Eurovision song contest. I guess that T. May is somehow to blame. Can’t we wash our hands of it in order to save the country we love?

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      March 12, 2021 9:12 pm

      It’s called grooming.

    • bobn permalink
      March 12, 2021 10:26 pm

      You can host it, but do you need to bend over and invite it to shaft you?! The Cabal of Propagandists jokefest doesnt mean the Govt has to be a gutless suckup.

    • Dave Gardner permalink
      March 14, 2021 1:49 pm

      Theresa May is not just somehow to blame, she is very largely to blame. Even Tony Blair, who could be regarded as the biggest climate grandstander of all UK prime ministers, didn’t apply to hold a COP conference, but TM managed to blunder into applying to host one.

      I would imagine it would be difficult to pull out of the hosting of COP26 because it wasn’t just a UK bid to host the conference, it was a joint UK-Italy bid (with Italy hosting a related conference). So it may strain diplomatic relations with Italy if the UK pulled out.

      One commendable thing that Boris did was he got rid of Theresa May’s appointee for the COP26 President, grandstander Claire Perry, and replaced her with the much lower profile Alok Sharma. I’ve got a suspicion that if Sharma was white, there would have been a campaign by now by the Green Blob to have him taken off the job (due to his lack of grandstanding), but being BAME means his job is fairly safe.

  22. Ben Vorlich permalink
    March 12, 2021 8:00 pm

    German steel powerhouse turns to ‘green’ hydrogen produced using huge wind turbines

    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/12/german-steel-firm-uses-green-hydrogen-produced-with-wind-turbines.html

    • It doesn't add up... permalink
      March 12, 2021 9:49 pm

      The development in Germany is centered around seven new wind turbines operated by Avacon and two 1.25 megawatt (MW) electrolyzer units installed by Salzgitter Flachstahl, which is part of the wider Salzgitter Group. The facilities were presented to the public this week.

      The turbines, from Vestas, have a hub height of 169 meters and a combined capacity of 30 MW.

      The hydrogen produced using renewables will be utilized in processes connected to the smelting of iron ore. Total costs for the project come to roughly 50 million euros (around $59.67 million), with the building of the electrolyzers subsidized by state-owned KfW.

      So that is 2.5MW of electrolyser, probably capable of producing about 300Nm^3 of hydrogen an hour – 25kg/hour. Since the power used is just 10% of the turbine capacity we can probably assume if it has first call it will at least manage to operate most of the time. Note there is no description of what the hydrogen will actually be used for – just a very vague indication. But if it produces say 200,000kg of hydrogen a year at an optimistic 8,000 hours of utilisation, it’s going to take a very long time to pay off a $60m investment. In short the real news is that they have organised a virtue signalling subsidy.

      • March 13, 2021 10:03 am

        You would expect the Germans to recall the airship Hindenburg’s 1936 demise from a hydrogen explosion.
        Though the other basic cause was flammable envelope material, is using hydrogen now what the Greennies favor?

      • It doesn't add up... permalink
        March 13, 2021 3:46 pm

        The Shell Rheinland refinery at the Wesseling site, which is Germany’s largest refinery, requires some 180,000 tonnes of hydrogen each year for fuel production. Around 70 to 80 per cent of its overall requirements are produced as a by-product of the refinery’s processes. Until now the company has produced the remaining 20 to 30 per cent from natural gas via steam reforming. The plan is for the REFHYNE plant to take over a small part of the hydrogen production in future

        That is some 1,300 tonnes a year from a 10MW electrolyser, or less than 1% of the refinery’s usage. Yet it’s an act that everyone wants to get in on. Look at the promo photos.

        https://refhyne.eu/

  23. Ben Vorlich permalink
    March 12, 2021 8:17 pm

    A Tory minister has confidently claimed that “British wind” will power the UK’s new offshore power projects, and help the nation’s home run on renewable energy. It was only recently Jacob Rees-Mogg said fish were happier now they can be caught and killed under the banner of the Union Jack.

    Paul Scully, a minister at the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, made the bizarre assertion in an interview with Sky News, in which he was seeking to promote a new government pledge of £95 million in funding for offshore wind farms in northwest England.

    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/best-reactions-that-blew-over-tory-mp-who-wants-uk-wind-turbines-to-use-british-wind-256997/amp/

  24. MrGrimNasty permalink
    March 12, 2021 9:07 pm

    Harrabin gloats, but the fools allowed comments, showing massive support in favour of the mine.

    No doubt the comments will disappear, or a flurry of support for stopping the mine and a load of green crazy comments will arrive just as it is locked, to be immortalized at the top of the thread. (The usual trick.)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56364306

    e.g. Tigger says:

    “Question is….

    As we need coal to make steel, do we want to mine it locally & ‘cleanly’, or import ‘dirty-mined’ coal.

    My vote is local ‘clean’ coal rather than dirty coal from thousands of miles away which has additional climate impact.”

    601 thumbs up, 117 thumbs down.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      March 12, 2021 9:21 pm

      Seems to me, the solution is to tell the inquiry that the foreign (Chinese, perhaps) mined coal will be produced with slave labour. That should cause a few green coniptions.

      • Mack permalink
        March 12, 2021 11:51 pm

        Good point Harry, I think it will soon be known as the ‘Uighur Sanction’ (with apologies to the cracking Clint Eastwood film from the 70s with a very similar title!). If in doubt, chuck the ‘slavery’ allegation about and watch the greenies and liberals squirm as they try and defend the indefensible.

    • March 13, 2021 8:10 am

      Mrgrimnasty

      Wouldnt it be interesting to find out why 117 want dirty mined coal? Or do they mean no coal at all and lets stop making steel?

  25. Mr T permalink
    March 13, 2021 12:19 am

    All I read in the comments is a lot of hot air. What is needed is facts that support the argument for the mine, details of what groups are actively involved in supporting it and who we should all write to to put pressure on to listen to the arguments.

    What are the facts? Who would use the coal to make steel? Where are they getting the coal from now? Is it imported and if so how is it transported to the steel works and at what cost?

    Is there a local group campaigning for the mine? Have they assembled all the arguments in favour of the mine? Can we collectively or individually help them? Have they started a petition in favour of the mine with the facts laid out clearly? If not why not?

    If the arguments are strong enough, is there a movement for in independent MP to threaten the current MP by fighting for local jobs to reduce the carbon footprint of using imported coal?

    Is this a marginal case or are there genuine strong arguments in favour and if so let’s get involved in their fight. If not let’s forget about it and continue patting ourselves on our backs because we all agree everything is terrible and continue to write pointless comments in this blog.

    Paul can probably help with some of the facts but he can’t be seen to be actively involved in any fight as he is well recognised as a “ denier” and anything he says will be just written off as more rubbish from a well known denier. Face up to the facts, the deniers have lost the argument, but the war must now be to stop economic suicide by making disastrous economic decisions in the pretence of reducing the CO2 output when doing the opposite.

    Where to start? Any ideas? In am potentially angry enough to get involved are you? But first I need to know if the case is strong enough.

    • March 13, 2021 12:34 am

      You are quite right about the need for facts to inform the argument but how much would they impress politicos, blindly in love with the hypnotising but entirely irrational ideologies of the present day?

    • March 13, 2021 8:08 am

      Mr T

      Sadly, I do not think a group marching to bring the project to fruition under the banner “Cumbria supports coal mining” would receive much sympathy!

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        March 13, 2021 3:42 pm

        How about: ‘Cumbria supports UK steel making!’

      • March 13, 2021 4:06 pm

        Harry

        I like it!

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      March 13, 2021 8:14 am

      The facts have already been assembled, presented, and assessed by all interested parties – several times over, and the project approved.

      In a post-fact PC world the decision that is about to be re-made will be entirely one of climate change politics and whether our politicians have the back-bone to stand up to eco-bullies, just like the decision to bow to Harrabin’s campaign, U-Turn, and call it in.

    • William birch permalink
      March 13, 2021 6:26 pm

      The uk coal industry is about to go extinct. Their are no coal mines operating in the uk that produce coking coal. The last remaining significant coal mine operating is Ffos y Fran opencast coal mine in South Wales. It produces coal for heritage steam engines & iit is used in Port Talbot steel works but it is NOT coking coal. It will complete coaling in 2022. There after the uk will have to depend on coal imports. Oil & gas from North Sea running low. Yet the uk has billions of tonnes of coal reserves that successive uk governments have refused to develop.

  26. March 13, 2021 6:51 am

    “But it was revealed last month that due to the high sulphur content of the coal itself, it might be able to be used at all – either in Britain or sold to other markets.”

    If the problem is gobal warming then the sulfate emissions they fear is a godsend.

    • March 13, 2021 6:57 am

      See for example the works of the late great stephen schneider who found that the 1970s cooling turned to warming after the EPA’s acid rain program that shut down sulfate emissions.

      • Jack Broughton permalink
        March 15, 2021 11:16 am

        Thank you, your link is an excellent summary of the imminent ice-age crisis of the 1960 – 1970s that has been so conveniently forgotten / “double-thought” by the proponents of AGW, along with the LIA of course.

        It is the reason they start history at 1970, when the temperature was at a minimum point. “Who controls the past controls the future” seems to apply well.

        Aerosols are included in the radiative forcing factor evaluations by IPCC in a totally non-scientific, biased evaluation of the components of radiative forcing, in order to come up with the numbers they wanted. The reduction in aerosols with the various clean air acts had a massive effect not just on the back radiation but also, the less understood, cloud seeding which is also conveniently forgotten.

      • March 15, 2021 11:39 am

        Thank you. Great comment as usual. The data and statistics crimes that they get away with is a thing of wonder. The science doesn’t drive the activism. The activism drives the science.

  27. Robert Christopher permalink
    March 13, 2021 8:01 am

    Here is an example that shows just how weak our Energy policy has made Britain:

    [Professor David Blake], [t]he Professor of Economics at City, University of London, warned: “What we have learned from the trade negotiations with Michel Barnier is that the EU is a nasty, spiteful vindictive organisation that cannot be trusted.
    It exploited every weakness we had to its advantage. For example, we had to trade off fishing for energy security, such is our dependence on electricity from the EU.
    It is time for the government to wake up and ensure that we have sufficient manufacturing capabilities to give us sufficient defence and energy security and resilience in the future.”
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1409300/brexit-news-germany-eurozone-euro-eu-boxer-deal-michel-barnier-defence

  28. March 13, 2021 11:34 am

    Oh dear, I suppose it was only a matter of time before Malala joined in but I hoped she was more intelligent. She is talking in connection with COP26
    “Girls’ education and gender equality can be used as a solution against climate change, so we must ensure that our children receive quality education, that includes climate education too.”
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/malala-yousafzai-cop26-scotland-chatham-house-taliban-b923874.html
    If she meant education that would be fine but of course she means propaganda as if children were not sufficiently brainwashed already.

  29. Gamecock permalink
    March 13, 2021 12:28 pm

    Too many cooks in the kitchen to get anything done.

    Brazil will be happy to sell you steel. Besides, steel production is a strategic industry only if you have a future.

  30. Coeur de Lion permalink
    March 14, 2021 4:27 pm

    I have suggested to the GWPF that the Climate Crisis deserves the same treatment as the COVID crisis and so we should have at least weekly podium-rich press briefings from the Climate Change Committee revealing ‘the science’ , the costs and benefits. Would you all please make the same suggestion.

  31. March 14, 2021 7:58 pm

    @ pardonmeforbreathing March 12, 2021 4:11 pm

    just wanted to thank you for that great vid link to “forensic talk entitled “Slanted Journalism and the 2020 Election” by Sharyl Attkisson”

    first rate talk on media bias, well worth the time taken to watch.

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