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RAC Finally Realise That Some EV Owners Will Be Worse Off!!

May 12, 2022

By Paul Homewood

 

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Drivers face paying nearly £1,000 more a year to charge an electric car (EV) on the public network compared to doing so at home, according to a new study.

The study, by electric car website Electrifying.com, found that UK motorists who are reliant on public infrastructure to charge their vehicles will be paying around £91.75 a month, compared to those who have off-street parking who pay around £13.75 over the same time period.

This means that the average UK EV driver would pay around £78 a month more than those who have access to a charger at home – a total of £936 extra a year – and highlights some of the cost challenges facing those who rely on charging at public charge points. 

Drivers with access to their own charge point at home can also take advantage of cheaper overnight tariffs, saving themselves money on every charge.

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/electric-vehicles-news/homeowners-without-garage-ev-charging-costs-1000-higher-year1/?mc_cid=b357ad9167&mc_eid=4961da7cb1

 

More importantly though is the fact that these EV owners, who will typically be less well off, will end up paying more for their electricity than they do now for petrol, when fuel duties are excluded. A typical driver probably spends about £800 a year currently, excluding fuel duties which all EV drivers will have to pay in one form or another in the future.

Meanwhile the cretins at the RAC still think EVs are a good idea!

 

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29 Comments leave one →
  1. 2hmp permalink
    May 12, 2022 7:31 pm

    I doubt if the RAC think EVs are a good idea – it just that it pays them to say so.

  2. David V permalink
    May 12, 2022 7:42 pm

    Someone in government is working overtime to “prove” that EVs are cheaper than ICEs – a comparison that has absolutely no long term meaning. As ICEs are withdrawn there will be no option but to increase costs for EVs one way or another. One thing is certain – government income (taxes) will not go down.

    • Ben Vorlich permalink
      May 12, 2022 10:25 pm

      The government can easily implement a mileage charge, Tesla says this “Tesla charging stations can be viewed via the car’s navigation system and by using the Tesla ‘Find Us’ map” The car knows where it is and it can easily supply that data if required by HMRC

  3. catweazle666 permalink
    May 12, 2022 8:04 pm

    Even if I had an EV (which I won’t) I wouldn’t be charging it close to my house and certainly not in a connected garage!

  4. Gamecock permalink
    May 12, 2022 8:17 pm

    If you can’t charge an EV with your own charger, don’t buy one. I’m confident no American needs to be told that. There are way more issues than just cost.

    • In The Real World permalink
      May 12, 2022 8:35 pm

      Yes , there is no way that many EVs can be charged .
      Along with the fact that there is not anywhere near enough generation capacity to charge up more than a very small percentage of them , home charging will not work as most housing is supplied on the basis that the average UK home uses 10KWh per day .
      To charge just 1 EV just once per week would more than double that loading , and the local sub mains cannot cope with that much extra .
      Which is why it is necessary to have a ” Smart Meter ” if you have a home charger , so that they can be shut down to save the inevitable Blackouts .

      So , they are now starting to admit that EVs are very expensive to have , when will they start to admit that very few people will be able to drive them anywhere .

      • GeoffB permalink
        May 12, 2022 9:14 pm

        Dont forget the 5 kW heat pump on 24hrs in winter, thats 120kWh a day and no diversity factor everyone has to have one, there is no way the existing local infrastructure will be able to cope. All cabling and substations will need upgrading by a factor of 10…..OR electricity will be so expensive that only the rich will be able to afford it….the poor will be in state managed dormitories the great reset will have taken place,

  5. Philip Mulholland permalink
    May 12, 2022 8:42 pm

    It’s time to start thinking about horses again. We already have the donkeys in charge.

  6. May 12, 2022 10:40 pm

    Except to those making money from them, the evs are totally bad and have no role in saving the planet.
    Like wind turbines, they exemplify the effect of the worst scam since 20th Century fascism and Soviet Communism.

  7. Dick Goodwin permalink
    May 12, 2022 11:57 pm

    As all new EV home charging points have to have their own Smart Meter installed from June I can’t see home charging being ‘cheap’ for much longer.

    • dearieme permalink
      May 13, 2022 10:28 pm

      I hadn’t heard that. Thank you.

      (It perhaps explains why a pal is rushing ahead to buy an EV.)

  8. David Wojick permalink
    May 13, 2022 1:27 am

    The lower night time rates will go away when lots of people start charging at night. In fact peak demand may shift to night.

    • David Wojick permalink
      May 13, 2022 1:28 am

      When there is no solar.

      • catweazle666 permalink
        May 13, 2022 1:49 am

        And no wind, especially at dawn and dusk.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      May 13, 2022 8:41 am

      Exactly. It’s only “off-peak” because nobody is using it. Once everyone is using it, the price will rise. But of course our brilliant civil servants haven’t worked that out yet.

      • catweazle666 permalink
        May 13, 2022 3:03 pm

        “But of course our brilliant civil servants haven’t worked that out yet.”

        In fact, I suspect you’ll find they have!

        They’re banking on a majority of the electorate haven’t twigged they’re being lied to – yet!

  9. Steve permalink
    May 13, 2022 7:47 am

    The remark about RAC cretins reminded me of a time when I returned from Europe and conked out on the road outside London. We called the RAC and the helper came out, looked at the car and said ” This engine is fu*ked”, then roared off on his bike. I got my spanner out and looked at the plugs, which were solid and bridged with deposits, cleaned them and drove off with the engine going perfectly. The driver had put some cheap French fuel in while I was asleep. I have used Green Flag since and it’s cheaper.

    • John Halstead permalink
      May 13, 2022 8:40 am

      I don’t use RAC either. I once bought a car with RAC Warranty that wasn’t worth the paper it was written on.

  10. John Halstead permalink
    May 13, 2022 8:36 am

    Electricity for my EV costs me nothing, I just fire up my old faithful diesel genset in the shed. It’s downwind so the black smoke drifts away quickly.
    Seriously though, the bit about tax will probably mean that existing IC car owners will pay twice, once for the fuel and again every time they pass a detector. Nice little earner, just like the double road tax when car ownership changes.

  11. Richard Jarman permalink
    May 13, 2022 10:00 am

    I must have missed this comment on BBC – good news if you live in urban high rise area with no private drive – London will be a car free city or perhaps that is the plan

  12. ThinkingScientist permalink
    May 13, 2022 11:40 am

    The fundamental issue in all this is what I call the litany. You really notice it with commentators such as the guest newspaper reviewers or the anchors on GB News in the morning, or on Question Time. A topic is picked eg cost of electricity. The speaker then prefaces their comments with something like:

    “Of course, climate change is real and a serious problem and we must do all we can to stop its impacts”

    Then they go on to discuss how we need to address the cost of living crisis by some intervention by government all the while ignoring the elephant in the room: the crisis is a direct or indirect consequence of government policy on climate change.

    No one dares contradict the litany on climate change, they just repeat it like docile church worshippers in a bygone age. Climate change is real, dangerous and must be tackled. They have to say it first, if they don’t they know they are going to be cancelled. Then their brains switch off or go into denial mode or cognitive dissonance or whatever.

    I have the same problem with my MP. I strongly suspect that he simply can’t answer in an email that Climate Change is not real, or is exaggerated or whatever, because if it got out he would be labelled a Climate Change Denier.

    I have been trying to think of how to re-phrase climate change, or sidestep the issue but it has become so ingrained in modern life (except in the comments section of the DT or DM!) everyone does it for fear of excommunication cancel culture.

    • catweazle666 permalink
      May 13, 2022 5:22 pm

      “No one dares contradict the litany on climate change”
      Two points.
      First I suspect that as Solar Cycle 25 starts to take effect it will become evident even to the most hardcore alarmists that all climate models are essentially worthless.
      Second, the activities of Mr. Putin are very clearly demonstrating that the whole concept of Net Zero is massively flawed and creating real existential problems in the here and now based on reality, not some potential problems in a hundred years.
      So I suspect that there will be some rolling back of the more harebrained predictions in order to justify the necessary pragmatic measures such as reopening of coal mines and even fracking and reassure the crackpots that their babies are not going to perish in a fiery apocalypse.

    • Gamecock permalink
      May 14, 2022 11:55 am

      Well said, TS.

      In debating, it’s called a “declaration of orthodoxy.” It’s a trick, because it’s always followed with a “but.”

      You enhance that definition by relating actual behavioral effects.

      • ThinkingScientist permalink
        May 15, 2022 8:59 am

        Thanks! I was always led to believe anything before the “but” can be ignored when debating!

    • jimlemaistre permalink
      May 14, 2022 5:20 pm

      Brilliant !

    • Micky R permalink
      May 15, 2022 6:17 pm

      ” No one dares contradict the litany on climate change, they just repeat it like docile church worshippers in a bygone age.”
      The belief that humans are responsible for dangerous climate change has a lot in common with various religions, including a zealous dislike of non-believers.

      ” I have been trying to think of how to re-phrase climate change, ”
      Climate change has always occurred. It was occurring before humans appeared and it will continue to occur long after the last humans have left the earth. It’s a natural process.

  13. Realist permalink
    May 13, 2022 12:36 pm

    What they always conveniently “forget” in EV calculations is the hourly rate. A normal car (diesel/petrol even LPG) is not available for ten minutes. An EV is not available for several hours. And even worse, the EV needs recharging more often to get the same range as petrol, let alone diesel where the latter has more miles per gallon.

  14. jimlemaistre permalink
    May 14, 2022 5:24 pm

    Electric Cars . . . The lies Exposed . . .

    If you believe that EV’s are ‘Emissions Free’
    You probably should go join the ‘Flat Earth Society’ !

    If you believe that EV’s are ‘Emissions Free’
    You probably believe that The Earth is the centre of The Universe !

    That is how stupid it is to say that Electric Cars are ‘Emissions Free’ !

    Totally. . . Scientifically . . . False !

    lies . . . Untrue . . . Ignorant Propaganda . . . Total Crap !

    Where does electricity come from?

    Sources of Electricity – International Energy Agency – 2019

    40% of Electric Cars run on Coal
    66% of Electric Cars run on Fossil Fuels
    79% of Electric Cars run on Non-renewable Electricity

    Worst of all . . . up to 31% of the Electricity Produced to run Electric Cars
    Is lost as HEAT before you ever put your foot on the accelerator

    Electric Vehicles are By Far The Worst Transportation System ever developed
    For causing excess ‘Man-Made Pollution’ on Planet Earth . . .

    The ‘Emissions Free’ status given to Electric Cars is the belief in
    Santa Clause, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy . . . All rolled into One !

    For more details see the following papers . . .

    https://www.academia.edu/62574334/Tesla_Versus_Toyota_Camry

    https://www.academia.edu/73548362/Electric_Cars_Burn_31_More_Energy_than_Gas_Cars_Revised_

    • Gamecock permalink
      May 16, 2022 11:28 am

      The Greenies are adolescents.

      It is difficult to argue with children.

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