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Hottest In 125,000 Years?

December 23, 2023
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By Paul Homewood

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https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/this-year-virtually-certain-be-warmest-125000-years-eu-scientists-say-2023-11-08/

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Just about all of the media have been peddling the “Hottest for 125,000 years” claim, which suggests a very concerted effort by the climate establishment in the run up to COP28.

The claim is self evident and baseless nonsense for a number of good reasons:

  • There is no such thing as “a global average temperature”
  • Even now we have very sparse coverage of temperature measurements. Prior to satellites, we had virtually no data  outside of the US, Europe and a few other built up areas
  • The temperature record we do have is thoroughly corrupted by UHI, and only dates back to the late 19thC
  • Natural variations, including ENSO, volcanic activity etc, can easily cause temperature swings of a degree Celsius from year to year, and decade to decade. But historical proxies don’t have the fine resolution to pick these up, they merely give an idea of average temperatures over decades and even centuries. Consequently you cannot compare one year now with the general climate of, say, 2000 years ago.

      But forget about all of these theoretical objections, because the climatic evidence we do have is overwhelming, and it tells us that the climate has been much warmer than now for most of the last 10000 years, since the end of the ice age.

      Here are ten powerful, incontrovertible pieces of evidence:

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      1) Greenland

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      https://archiv.klimanachrichten.de/temperatures-over-the-past-10000-years/

        

      I agree totally we have had a global temperature increase in the 20thC – but an increase from what? ..Probably an increase from the lowest point in the last 10,000 years.

      We started to observe meteorology at the coldest point in the last 10,000 years. – Professor Steffensen

      https://vimeo.com/14366077 

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      As Professor Steffensen explains in the above video, temperatures in Greenland have been much higher than now for most of the last 8000 years.

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      2) Arctic

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      Briner et al 2016

      https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379116300427

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      Many other studies confirm that the temperature trends found in Greenland ice cores also exist elsewhere around the Arctic. For instance, Briner et al, above. analysed a wide selection of proxies in the Canadian Arctic and Greenland, and identified a long running decline in temperatures over the last 3000 years.

      They also found that the Greenland  ice sheet has grown since since that time.

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      3) Russia

      Summer temperatures were between 2.5 and 7.0C warmer 7000 years ago in northern Russia:

       

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      https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2021/07/21/northern-russia-summers-2-5-to-7-0c-warmer-7000-years-ago/

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      Other studies indicate that temperatures in central Russia were 2C higher in the late-Atlantic period, about 5000 years ago.

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      4) The Baltic Region

      Temperatures were between 1.0 and 3.5C higher 4500 years ago.

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      https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-16006-1_2/figures/6

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      5) Iceland

      During the mid-Holocene, some of the present day ice caps in Iceland had completely melted:

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      https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1571086609013049

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      Meanwhile, remains of a 3000-year old forest underneath melting Icelandic glaciers confirm the climate used to be much warmer then:

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      Ancient tree stumps found under Breiðamerkurjökull glacier in Southeast Iceland are confirmed to be roughly 3,000 years old. RÚV reports.

      A specialist believes the remarkably well-preserved stumps were part of a massive forest that disappeared after a long period of a warm climate.

      https://www.icelandreview.com/news/3000-year-old-trees-excavated-under-glacier/

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      6) Tree Line Studies

      Tree line studies offer strong evidence that temperatures in the White Mountains of California and the Alps were 2 degrees higher than now from 5000 BC to 2200 BC.

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      HH Lamb: Climate History & The Modern World

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      Lamb also writes about other tree line studies encompassing the Alps, Carpathians, Rockies, Japan, New Guinea, Australia, New Zealand, East Africa and the Andes. These also show similar results, with a climate that was 2C warmer around 5000 BC.

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      7) North America

      There is ample evidence that Alaskan glaciers were smaller than now in the Middle Ages, easily proven by the remains of forests carbon dated back to then, which are being uncovered as the ice melts.

      For instance, the Mendenhall:

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      https://web.archive.org/web/20160313151126/http://juneauempire.com/outdoors/2013-09-13/ancient-trees-emerge-frozen-forest-tomb

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      There is also evidence that Alaskan glaciers were smaller still prior to 2000 BC, and that most of the glaciers south of 57N were only formed after that time.

      HH Lamb wrote:

      The rise of world sea level over the last 10 000 years, seen already in fig. 13.27, gives an overall view of the course of deglaciation.  It is, however, a trend which must have been lagged on the trend of world temperature in such a way that the highest sea level  — which probably occurred around 4000 years ago — should coincide with the end of the period of highest temperature, which reduced the glaciers and ice sheets to their postglacial minimum. It was after 2000–1500 B.c. that most of the present glaciers in the Rocky Mountains south of 57°n were formed ( Matthes 1939) and that major readvance of those in the Alaskan Rockies first took place.

      HH Lamb: Climate: Present, Past and Future

      https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/mono/10.4324/9780203804308-7/postglacial-times-lamb?context=ubx

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      8) European Alps

      In the same book, Lamb wrote:

      And at their subsequent advanced positions — probably around 500 B.C. as well as between A.D. 1650 and 1850 — the glaciers in the Alps regained an extent estimated in the Glockner region at about five times their Bronze Age minimum, when all the smaller ones had disappeared.

      This conclusion is backed up by the recent discovery of 4000 year old trees at the edge of a Swiss glacier by the distinguished geologist Dr Christian Schlüchter.

      Other research, including the discovery of a Swiss pass, which has been covered by snow for 2000 years, and the exposure of more ancient trees under the Tschierva Glacier in Engadin, in Switzerland, where research suggests that in the time of the Roman Empire, glaciers were smaller than today, and 7,000 years ago they probably weren’t around at all.

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      9) South America

      Ancient plant beds, radiocarbon dated to 5000 years ago, are being uncovered as the Quelccaya glacier recedes in the Peruvian Andes, according to glaciologist Lonnie Thompson, who also

      analysed ice cores from another glacier, the Huascarán in the north-central Andes of Peru, and found:

      the climate was warmest from 8400 to 5200 years before present, and that it cooled gradually, culminating with the Little Ice Age (200 to 500 years before present).”

      Other research from the Missouri Botanical Garden, which studies tree lines in the Andes, came to similar conclusions:

      During the period from 7500 yr BP to ca. 3000 yr BP temperatures rose about 2°C more, causing another upward shift in the forest line of about 300-400 m higher than today, and thereby reducing the area occupied by páramo.  Finally, at about 2900 yr BP, there was a noticeable lowering of the temperature that marked the last downward movement of the forest and páramo belts to their present-day positions.

      And as in Alaska, retreating glaciers in Patagonia have been uncovering the remains of forests, which are carbon dated to the late Middle Ages.

      10) New Zealand

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      https://niwa.co.nz/our-science/climate/information-and-resources/clivar/pastclimate

      Reconstruction of New Zealand’s past climate by NIWA, using a wide variety of proxies,

      indicate a warmer climate than now until about 3000 years ago.

      NIWA comment:

      The warmest conditions of the present cycle occurred between 10,000 and 6,000 B.P with temperatures about 1°C above modern values. This warmer climate was mild, with light winds and lush forests. Speleothems indicate a lowering of temperature after 7,000 B.P, with a resurgence of small glacial events in the Southern Alps at 5,000 B.P.

      Similarities between the New Zealand climate changes during the last millennium using tree rings (Cook et al., 2002) has been compared to the Northern Hemisphere Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age (Lamb, 1965).

       

      More direct evidence comes from the Franz Joseph glacier. Historian Brian Fagan described the changes of this glacier in his book “The Little Ice Age”:

       

      In New Zealand the Franz Joseph glacier wasa mere pocket of ice on a frozen snowfield nine centuries ago”…. Then Little Ice Age cooling began and the glacier thrust downslope into the valley below smashing into the great rain forests that flourished there, felling giant trees like matchsticks. By the early 18th Century, Franz Joseph’s face was within 3 km of the Pacific Ocean .

      The high tide of glacial advance at Franz Joseph came between the late 17th Century and early 19th Century, just as it did in the European Alps.

      This does not directly relate to the early and mid Holocene, but is strong evidence of the LIA and the MWP, which NIWA say was not as warm 3000 years before.

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      The World Was Hotter

      Let’s be absolutely clear.

      These events were not “regional” or “transitory”, as Holocene Optimum deniers would like you to believe.

      Large scale retreats and advances of glaciers don’t happen as a result of a few years of weather. Neither do advances of tree lines hundreds of feet up mountainsides. The evidence from these events and the likes of ice cores is irrefutable and clearcut.

      It is well established from these studies that the Holocene Optimum lasted for thousands of years, during which time there would have been the same sort of climatic cycles we see today, whether short term events such as El Nino, or centuries long ones like the LIA, all bringing warmer and colder intervals. But throughout, the overall climate was still warmer than the current one.

      And it is equally apparent that this warmer climate was worldwide. Even where there are no proxies, there is still evidence in places like the Sahara, where the lush climate there a few thousands of years ago is indicative of an expansion of the Tropics resulting from a warmer world.

       

      Anybody who claims that this year is the hottest for 125,000 years is fraudulent.

      38 Comments
      1. December 23, 2023 5:24 pm

        We must all write to newspapers and our MPs, and hit Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, The Guardian (yes, confront the enemy!) EVERYWHERE in 2024 calling out this MASSIVE HOAX. There are two types of people pushing this messaging a) the truly evil who know it’s nonsense and b) the useful idiots who have fallen for it and can’t see through it.

        • Gamecock permalink
          December 23, 2023 6:00 pm

          True, foxbarn. They can’t convince us to give up our freedom. But they can convince enough useful idiots to force it.

          The currency of democracy is votes. Useful idiots vote.

          • December 24, 2023 11:30 am

            These days we don’t have democracy of course, we have policy dictated by what the mob is led to believe, and which persuades government to do. So we have to a) humiliate the idiots and b) give the few good people in government the feeling that there ARE sensible people out there to support them.

        • John Brown permalink
          December 24, 2023 9:29 am

          Foxbarn : You’ve ommitted possibly the largest group, the grifers, who don’t know or care if CAGW/Net Zero is a hoax or not but know they can make lots of money from it.

          • December 24, 2023 9:49 am

            Wouldn’t we just love to know the total CO2 caused by flying those grifters to COP28? Not that CO2 is a problem but the grifters keep telling us it is.

      2. ancientpopeye permalink
        December 23, 2023 5:31 pm

        So basically, as we all suspect, they are lying through their teeth again?

      3. Curious George permalink
        December 23, 2023 6:14 pm

        I agree enthusiastically. Surely that does that make me an EU scientist 🙂

        • Nigel Sherratt permalink
          December 23, 2023 6:23 pm

          And Nobel Prize winner (like Michael E Mann)

        • Phoenix44 permalink
          December 24, 2023 9:38 am

          What is an “EU scientist” anyway?

      4. John Hultquist permalink
        December 23, 2023 6:20 pm

        This report appears to be from statements of Samantha Burgess (SB) of the
        EU’s Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S).
        Insofar as the claim is nonsense, I will assume both C3S and SB are full of bs.

      5. John Palmer permalink
        December 23, 2023 6:35 pm

        There you go again, Paul. Sorry, but your boring old facts and detailed historical data are completely trumped by our computer modelling and almost complete control of the MSM. Now, back to your hovel and eat you gruel. Oh, so sorry, that’s after 2050………

      6. December 23, 2023 6:38 pm

        Maybe super-tough Vikings enjoyed being on freezing mountainsides – or maybe they weren’t quite so freezing at the time?

        Viking ‘treasure’ of rare artifacts revealed on a long-lost mountain trail

        As climate change melts Norway’s glaciers, pockets of history hidden for centuries or millennia are finally seeing the light of day. Melting along a high-altitude trail in the Lendbreen glacier has revealed hundreds of artifacts dating to the Viking Age, the Roman Iron Age and even the Bronze Age.
        https://www.livescience.com/viking-treasure-lost-mountain-trail.html

        *Finally* seeing the light of day — sounds like a hint 🤔

      7. December 23, 2023 7:03 pm

        You are 100% correct Paul in stating that there is no such thing as “a global average temperature”. Temperature is an extrinsic property and thus the very idea of an average temperature is nonsense (but try telling that to a climate “scientist”). Even if there were such a thing, the uncertainty would be several degC.

        • gezza1298 permalink
          December 23, 2023 10:30 pm

          A map of where there are weather stations across the globe is incredibly sparse. And then there are the oceans. So the global temperature concept is completely flawed when looked at rationally.

          • December 23, 2023 11:21 pm

            No that is the wrong reason, cos they use satellites not weather stations

        • mervhob permalink
          December 24, 2023 1:01 am

          You are absolutely correct Philip, the idea of a demonstrable mathematical ‘average’ came with the development of linear algebra and ‘steady state’ ideas in the 18th century, largely by mathematicians who lacked the skill to solve the very valid problems raised by Newton in his ‘Principia Mathematica’, of modelling physical systems. The idea of a ‘steady state’, around which perturbation can be factored does not occur in his System of the World and when the work of Continental mathematicians was introduced in this country in the early 1800s, writers were at pains to point out that these new algebraic methods were only valid for very small pertubations around a very large dynamic mean. The method of small perturbations limited the physical manifestation of change to the simple addition and subtraction from the presupposed ‘steady state’ as the model was dominated by the assumed dynamics of the underlying system. Thus it worked well for the motions of the planets, where the underlying energy of motion is huge and the perturbations weak and acting over long periods of time. Even here, it was discovered that the simplistic assumptions underlying the algebraic relations could lead to behaviours called ‘secular terms’, which could lead to terms that increased with time without limit. Furthermore, assumptions about the masses involved and their distribution, made formulating simple comprehensive equations exceedingly unreliable. They termed such problems ‘non-linear’; not solvable by the means of the software of linear algebra. Weather and climate are such problems – their dynamic behaviour cannot be reduced to such a simplistic basis – they are large perturbation ‘non-linear’ systems.
          As Paul has made convincingly clear, the time series data preserved in icecores, fossils and archelogical evidence, as well as the historical record of the development of human civilisation, shows that opinions based on the belief in anything approaching a ‘steady state’ around which we can formulate a reliable model is completely false and has never existed. As Rudyard Kipling stated in his poem, ‘The God’s of the Copybook Headings’ mankind’s febrile reasonings always fail, and those Gods will return with terror and slaughter to reimpose the horrors of reality!

        • Phoenix44 permalink
          December 24, 2023 9:40 am

          And it’s fraudulent as an average anyway in most cases as it simply takes the maximums in lots of places which obviously occur at different times.

      8. December 23, 2023 8:00 pm

        The concept of accurate temperature records stretching back 125000 years defies belief.

      9. arfurbryant permalink
        December 23, 2023 9:04 pm

        I’ll say it again.
        You can’t fix stupid!
        Do these idiotic climate so-called scientists honestly believe they can objectively compare platinum electric thermometer data with ice core proxy data? Have they ever heard of homogeneity?
        The weird thing is there will be a few XR and JSO pillocks who will actually believe this cr@p!

        • Phoenix44 permalink
          December 24, 2023 9:47 am

          Comparing maxima that happen in tenths of a second with averages over ten years or longer…

          It’s deliberate. They know what they are doing and they know it’s fraudulent. But they also “know” they are right thats its warming so its fine. Noble corruption.

      10. Derek T permalink
        December 23, 2023 10:48 pm

        Thank you Paul for such a thorough debunking of this absurd claim. To make such a claim is to show desperation

        • John Brown permalink
          December 24, 2023 12:01 pm

          DT : Yes, thanks Paul for this excellent post. It will be very useful for my emails to my MP and many others over the coming year.

          • Vernon E permalink
            December 24, 2023 9:02 pm

            JB: Yes, it is an amazing piece of research (as usual) by Paul. But for whay? Nobody is listening, Emailing your MP is futile. Not so many years ago one wrote a letter to one’s MP in Westminster and if it had merit it was forwarded to the responsible Minister then the latter’s reply was forwarded to the constituent. That’s all gone now. Emails only go to the MP and the response reflects his or her personal opinion. I’ve given up now.

      11. December 23, 2023 11:20 pm

        Is the story PR or truth ?
        It was released on Nov 8th (that’s too early)
        It used “scientists say” (instead of “this science says”)
        Reuters tweeted that story 5 times that day .. so that is CAMPAIGNING

        • December 23, 2023 11:28 pm

          In total about 165 Reply Tweets mock the article
          The tweets got about 20 Likes in total

      12. December 24, 2023 6:40 am

        I disagree with the notion that the instrumental temperature record is significantly corrupted by UHI, that is a dead end that has consumed way too much effort. Attention should be focused on homogenisation errors.

        We know from “multiple lines of evidence” that temperatures in Europe have been similar to those of today in the past 5000 years, human settlements in Greenland, Orkney, Dartmoor, human remains appearing from under melting glaciers, to name but a few.

        • Phoenix44 permalink
          December 24, 2023 9:18 am

          I haven’t looked at the claims in detail but I have seen data series for long-term rural stations in the US that show no warming but warm temperatures in the 1930s.

      13. Phoenix44 permalink
        December 24, 2023 9:37 am

        It’s obvious nonsense as we have absolutely no idea what global temperatures were before 1800 at best. Anyone claiming we do is simply lying.

        • December 24, 2023 11:33 am

          Averages are a very dangerous thing. A man with one foot in a bucket of ice and the other in a bucket of boiling water could be said, on average, to be comfortable.

          • Gamecock permalink
            December 24, 2023 5:00 pm

            Too bad me and my buddies can’t take the average of our golf shots. We’d be pretty good, then.

      14. W Flood permalink
        December 24, 2023 5:37 pm

        Most of the 125000 years was an ICE AGE!

        • Hugh Sharman permalink
          December 25, 2023 4:40 pm

          …which was receded by the Eemian interglacial, much warmer than any time during the Holocene. The sea level was 5 meters higher than today. I suppose but don’t know for certain that the polar bear had evolved by then??

      15. Gamecock permalink
        December 24, 2023 8:10 pm

        OMG. Walking da ‘hood, got into “discussion” with neighbors over global climate warming changing. It ended badly.

        Family dinner this evening. I pray I’m not the bad uncle. I’m going to bite my tongue if the subject comes up.

      16. nevis52 permalink
        December 24, 2023 8:22 pm

        Hope you all manage to stay cool tomorrow, as apparently it could be the hottest Christmas Day ever. Oh, apart from 1920 that is.

      17. John Raw permalink
        December 25, 2023 5:53 am

        Refer to Tony Heller for the data.

      18. Javier permalink
        December 26, 2023 11:06 am

        Not to forget that I wrote a chapter about the evidence that the Holocene Climate Optimum was warmer than the present for thousands of years in the Clintel report “The Frozen Climate Views of the IPCC,” and a small section in my latest book “Solving the Climate Puzzle.”

        Here it is:

        “Box 20. Are present temperatures warmer than in the past 125,000 years?
        The current global warming is a departure from the general cooling trend of the Neoglacial period. Undoubtedly, the massive amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere by human activities is contributing to this warming. Most scientists agree that it is the primary cause of the warming. However, modern global warming began 180 years ago, long before the acceleration in emissions that has occurred since 1960. In addition, the increase in temperature does not show the expected acceleration for the exponential increase in atmospheric CO2 that is currently occurring.
        Many people are alarmed by the constant stream of alarming news about climate science, and a key question is how unusual is the current abrupt climate event. We’ve reached atmospheric CO2 levels not seen on Earth in the last 3 million years since the mid-Pliocene warm period, which are 60% higher than during the Holocene Climatic Optimum. If CO2 is indeed the primary driver of climate, as many believe, then the current temperature, after so much warming, should be somewhere between those two warm periods. Some Holocene temperature reconstructions support this, and it is expressed in the IPCC’s 6th Assessment Report as “surface temperatures of the past decade were probably warmer than when the long cooling trend began around 6500 years ago.”
        The claim that current surface temperatures are warmer than during the Holocene Climatic Optimum is unreliable. This conclusion is based on a comparison of a proxy Holocene temperature reconstruction with instrumental datasets. Such a comparison deserves several important criticisms. Proxies do not record temperature changes directly but result from biological or geological processes that respond to temperature changes. Converting proxy data into temperature changes involves many uncertainties and unproven assumptions. Combining marine and terrestrial proxies to compare temperature changes is also problematic because they don’t change in the same way. Proxy and instrumental temperatures are fundamentally different and should not be compared quantitatively. Furthermore, the construction of a proxy collection or temperature dataset involves many human decisions that are prone to unintentional cognitive biases. Is there any other evidence that tells us whether the Holocene Climatic Optimum was warmer or colder than today? Yes, we have two: glaciers and trees.
        The Holocene Climatic Optimum was the period in the last 100,000 years when glaciers were at their smallest, while the Little Ice Age was the period in the last 7,000 years when glaciers were at their largest. Between 8,000 and 4,000 years ago, glaciers were generally smaller than they are today in most mid to high-latitude regions of the Northern Hemisphere. The IPCC’s 6th Assessment Report acknowledges that most glaciers in the Northern Hemisphere are now larger than before but points out that they have a relatively long time to adjust. However, 80% of the world’s glaciers are very small, with an area of 1 km2 (0.4 sq miles) or less, and glaciers are affected by the average annual temperature and precipitation at their surface rather than by global warming.
        Tropical glaciers have experienced the greatest shrinkage since 1980, although warming has been less intense in these areas. Glaciers in mid-high latitudes, where warming has been more intense, have not retreated as much. It’s important to note that glacier shrinkage is not solely due to temperature increases; anthropogenic accumulations of black carbon and debris are also contributing factors. These non-climate factors are likely to exacerbate the current shrinkage. The extratropical Northern Hemisphere has experienced the most warming from modern global warming. The presence of several glaciers and small permanent ice patches there that didn’t exist during the Holocene Climatic Optimum is strong evidence that the past was warmer than the present.
        Another way to determine whether the Holocene Climatic Optimum was warmer than today is to look at biology. Trees do not grow above a certain height above sea level, known as the treeline. Temperature is the main factor that determines where the treeline is. As a result, the treeline has moved higher in many places over the past century, especially in the extratropical Northern Hemisphere, where winter warming has been particularly intense.
        Numerous studies have shown that during the Holocene Climatic Optimum, the treeline in the Italian Alps, Swiss Central Alps (fig. B20), Pyrenees, Swedish Scandinavia, and British Columbia was much higher than today.

        Figure B20. Treeline fluctuations in the central Swiss Alps during the Holocene. Altitude in meters above sea level. The present-day treeline in the central Swiss Alps is 150-200 m below the Holocene Climatic Optimum treeline.

        The Northern Hemisphere has experienced the most climate warming in recent decades. Studies have shown that many deciduous tree species in this hemisphere have reached thermal equilibrium, meaning they can’t grow at higher altitudes because it’s too cold. However, during the Holocene Climatic Optimum, these same tree species were able to grow well beyond their current limits. This makes it clear that the planet cannot be warmer now than it was then, regardless of any proxy reconstructions or homogenization of temperature data. If the planet were warmer today, either the tree species would be out of thermal equilibrium, or their equilibrium altitude would be higher than it was during the Holocene Climatic Optimum.”

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