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Met’s Supercomputer Predicts Storm (That The Daily Express Forecast Two Days Earlier)

October 28, 2013

By Paul Homewood

 

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/10408452/Met-Office-supercomputer-mapped-storm-long-before-it-had-formed.html

 

According to the Telegraph:

 

The Met Office’s £30million supercomputer was able to predict the size and path of the St Jude’s Day storm four days before it had formed by using calculations from millions of sites around the world to simulate the weather.

The IBM machine, which is capable of 100 trillion calculations a second, predicted the storm after spotting two areas of turbulent weather over Canada and the United States which met in the western Atlantic forming one large low pressure system.

 

This is all very strange, because Jonathan Powell, of Vantage Weather Services was forecasting the “storm of the century” on Tuesday, 22nd October, which was six days before the storm hit. I was critical at the time, as the Daily Express report was clearly overhyped. Nevertheless, they got the basics right:

 

Jonathan Powell, forecaster for V­antage Weather Services, warned that Britain could be facing the “storm of the century” next week. He said Atlantic low pressure systems lined up to roll in unchecked could trigger more tornadoes around the UK.

He said: “If you thought it was bad now you’ve seen nothing yet. There is more wind and rain this week but on Sunday and into the beginning of next week it is going to hit with full force.

“A flow of Atlantic systems will bring storm-force gusts, torrential downpours and even more tornadoes in the most unexpected places.

“Next Sunday is looking very severe, and all signs are pointing to what could be the storm of the century.

“People should be prepared for some very violent weather. Winds of more than 80mph are very likely, especially in coastal regions, and these have the potential to be quite destructive.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/438384/Bad-storms-You-ve-seen-nothing-yet-as-90mph-gales-and-rain-are-set-to-lash-Britain

  

 

Indeed, on 21st October, the day before, they were were forecasting severe weather, albeit without a firm date.

 

Jonathan Powell, forecaster for Vantage Weather Services, said gusts could hit 80mph in isolated coastal regions with winds reaching 40mph inland.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/438151/Apocalyptic-weather-to-batter-UK-expect-relentless-rainstorms-and-terrifying-winds

  

So what were the Met Office forecasting on 22nd October?

 

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https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/daily-express-forecast-storm-of-century-a-week-after-forecasting-huge-freeze/

 

Windy, with a risk of severe gales? Hardly definitive.

It was not till Thursday, 24th October, that the Met actually put out a severe weather warning.

 

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https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/uk-storm-warning-update/

 

The Met might have good reasons not to issue formal warnings more than five days in advance. Nevertheless, it is surely stretching matters to claim that their supercomputer forecast this storm four days beforehand, when other forecasters had not only forecast the storm, but had got the timing and path pretty much right at least two days earlier.

 

The Telegraph give a clue to the Met’s boasting at the end of their report.

 

But the Met Office is to get a new £100million forecasting machine in two year’s time after ministers signed off the funding last summer.

 

Perhaps the Met might be better off scrapping their new toy, saving taxpayers £100 million, and instead buy a copy of the Daily Express every day!

13 Comments
  1. winter37 permalink
    October 28, 2013 5:06 pm

    Just a heads up-BBC1 tonight 7.30pm, Inside Out, programme on climate change.May be a bit of real science for a change.Cheers .Bud.

  2. October 28, 2013 6:29 pm

    That show is on in NOT ON ALL AREAS It’s BBC 1 Yorkshire so you need to look on your satellite channels
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03flj49

  3. David permalink
    October 28, 2013 8:02 pm

    Piers Corbyn forecast this storm on 17 September, with a remarkably accurate track and intensity

    • Toneb permalink
      October 28, 2013 11:00 pm

      Right that’ll be the old snake-oil salesman who refuses to say what his “forecasting” methods are. Re his forecast: if read with any knowledge of seasonal UK weather it is merely a reasonable stab at usual late Oct conditions. His “map”, although showing a Low in the right place has it moving E to Se ( as it must with the High to the N and NE( wind the strong winds “SE’lies” ( they were SW’lies). In reality the high was a massive Low which allowed this storm to travel w to NW and continue deepening. And lets get it right – his “storm” was forecast for 29-31 Oct. It’s amazing how many people he’s fooled over the years. He’s not a clairvoyant and does not have a £100m supercomputer yet people are prepared to believe he can forecast detailed weather 30 days ahead from *solar influences* Yes, and I’m Santa claus.
      Here’s an example of his “disingenuousness”…

      Willis on why Piers Corbyn claims such a high success rate


      His page…

      Click to access WANews13No44.pdf

  4. October 28, 2013 9:49 pm

    Oh I just posted about that on the other thread .. https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/10/26/uk-storm-latest/#comment-16159

  5. Toneb permalink
    October 28, 2013 10:35 pm

    You are being churlish and misunderstand the role of a National Meteorological service vs a small independent Met company. These can, and do, gain publicity by giving out predictions made (by chiefly the American GFC NMP model), which incidentally is inferior to both the UKMO model and the European (ECMWF) model. It is easy to go out on a limb and gain publicity when it matters not a jot if you are wrong in the end. Usually in people’s mind it’s simply “the forecasters got it wrong”. Right, that would be the Met Off then. Err no. But it’s win/win for them – If correct fine – if not then we still win because people thinks its the UKMO that’s got it wrong anyway. Responsible forecasting requires evaluation of probabilities and at 5 days reasonable certainty is way off. I was surprised they went public at 4 days actually. Please realise the difference between responsible forecasting balancing crying wolf against reasonable certainty and speculative win/win paper talk. PS: I’m a retired UKMO forecaster.

    • October 28, 2013 10:46 pm

      My point was that the Met Office were not the only ones forecasting this days in advance , despite their supercomputer.

      As I mentioned last week, it was only 10 days before that Jonathan Powell was wrongly forecasting a big freeze up for the end of October into November.

      Daily Express Forecast “Storm Of Century” – ( A Week After Forecasting Huge Freeze!)

      You are quite right that these small operators can make all sorts of outlandish forecasts, and on the odd occasion they get one right, they can brag.

      On the other nine occasions they get it wrong, who remembers? Well, this time I did because I saved their big freeze forecast!!

      • Toneb permalink
        October 28, 2013 11:08 pm

        That’s correct Paul – all major centres had the right idea, which is why, I suppose, the Met were minded to “go” public at 4 days. Mobile westerlies (zonal conditions) are particularly well forecast by NWP models.
        I’m glad you take on board the print media’s Forecaster darlings bullet-proofness!

  6. October 28, 2013 11:47 pm

    Reblogged this on CraigM350.

  7. October 29, 2013 9:15 am

    Biggest ever etc. Sounds like the Express headline writer rather than Piers, I’d certainly give him this one over supercomputer met office. In Piers video a month ago he said something big is going to happen at thhe end of October. His explanation just out http://m.tmi.me/1bmCtx

  8. cornwallwindwatch permalink
    October 29, 2013 9:32 am

    Reblogged this on Cornwall Wind Watch.

  9. Helen permalink
    October 30, 2013 7:18 pm

    Looks like James Madden from Exacta Weather is about to forecast another storm before the Met Office supercomputers… So another forecast from the Daily Express that’s right in a week OMG!!! Met now have warnings out in south that will most probably be upgraded soon according to James

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/439848/New-deadly-storm-on-the-way-after-100mph-gales-claim-6-lives

  10. December 16, 2014 5:00 pm

    Only just spotted this but at least now we know the new computer makes forecasting “a little bit better” so still can’t compete with the Daily Express. Priceless – thanks for this one Paul, cheered me up no end today.

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