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What The Weather Channel Don’t Want You To Know About Glaciers

December 7, 2016
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By Paul Homewood 

 

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https://weather.com/news/news/breitbart-misleads-americans-climate-change?cm_ven=T_WX_CD_120616_2

 

At the bottom of that rather flawed article from the Weather Channel is a series of photos of glaciers, all designed to suggest that they have been melting rapidly because of your SUV.

 

For instance, Alaska’s Muir Glacier:

 

 

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For some reason, they forgot to mention what the USGS had to say about the Muir in 2001:

 

The glacier that filled Glacier Bay during the Little Ice Age began its retreat from the mouth of the bay more than 200 years ago and has exposed a magnificent fjord system about 100 km long. The massive glacier retreated past Sitakaday Narrows ~190 years ago, retreated past Whidbey Passage ~160 years ago, and reached the upper end of the main bay by 1860 (~140 years ago).

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https://soundwaves.usgs.gov/2001/07/fieldwork2.html

 

Perhaps Ms Parker would care to apologise on behalf of the Weather Channel for deliberately misleading Americans.

And maybe in future, if she wants to do some fact checking, she should give me a ring.

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23 Comments
  1. December 7, 2016 8:29 pm

    It retreated ~ 40 kM in 19 years (1860-1879) [2kM/yr] up the West Arm with CO2 at 280ppm.

    & only ~ 5kM in 50 years (1966-2016) [0.1 kM/yr] in Muir Inlet with CO2 at 300-400ppm.

    So from that data, we could say ‘greater CO2 slows glacier melt’ !!

  2. The Old Bloke permalink
    December 7, 2016 8:30 pm

    A careful study of the two photo’s (printed off and cut and overlay) will show that from where the top photo was taken the bottom photo would show just the same as the top photo. The lake on the bottom photo would be behind you.

  3. December 7, 2016 8:43 pm

    I began to have second thoughts about TWC when (~ 2 yrs ago) a lady [Dr.] meteorologist stated erroneously that CO2 is a toxic substance….

  4. December 7, 2016 9:06 pm

    She should read this from the National Park Service – the Glacier Glacier – where Obama went to visit last year and made his usual ill-informed predictions of doom. Seems that the trees that were growing up at altitude some 846 years ago (per carbon dating) got wiped out when the glacier started advancing (after what hundreds of years of warmth?) for the next 600-700 years. Finally recently, the glacier had retreated back far enough for the shattered buried remains of the trees to be found. Hopefully this wonderful warmth will last long enough so that the trees will begin to take root once again and grow into magnificent trees, before climate change takes them down once again.

    http://www.nps.gov/kefj/learn/nature/upload/The Retreat of Exit Glacier.pdf

    • December 7, 2016 10:06 pm

      Thanks – Goodness – I copied it from the url box and pasted?? Anyway – it’s a good piece for warmists who’ve not learned yet how to think.

  5. tom0mason permalink
    December 7, 2016 10:03 pm

    Sound to me like The Weather Channel is just touting for headlines and more visibility, following in the tracks of others making publicity by badmouthing Breitbart — sheesh these advocates have so little imagination. Ignore the reason, tout the meme.
    Childish me-too thought processes of the advocates in action.

  6. John F. Hultquist permalink
    December 7, 2016 11:02 pm

    The Weather Channel?
    I did not know this still existed.
    If I want to watch something funny I look for the video
    Abbot and Costello – Who’s on First

  7. December 7, 2016 11:32 pm

    Reblogged this on Climatism and commented:
    Half of the 10% of glaciers we study have been growing, the other receding.

    Glaciers including the mile-thick ice that once covered Chicago have been receding (melting) for the past 20,000 years, since the end of the last ice-age.

    That said, receding or growing glaciers are a bad and deceptive metric to determine “anthropogenic” global warming because their growth or decline is largely dependent on precipitation – snowfall.

  8. Joe Public permalink
    December 8, 2016 12:28 am

    If The Weather Channel wants to know what existed before the glaciers formed, to subsequently melt, perhaps it should consult Ötzi.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ötzi

  9. December 8, 2016 3:09 am

    In Alberta, Canada, the Athabasca and Saskatchewan Glacier melting has been portrayed as the tragic result of CAGW. The recent exposure of 3000 year old tree stumps as the ice receded has received zero press as it physically demonstrates climatic shifts in the past greater than that being experienced today – and without apparent cause, including CO2.

    A warmer, more CO2 world is a better world for the biosphere. Do the eco-greens not turn up the thermostat when the temperature drops?

    Who, exactly does Al Gore strive to protect, and do they want his help?

    Al is a solution seeking a problem to solve.

  10. December 8, 2016 7:23 am

    The BBC will make it all clear in the last episode of the BBC4 programme “Dangerous Earth”, which is about icebergs. The radio Times says “There’s no climate change denial here…” I think we might have guessed that from the BBC and one if its alarmists, Helen Czerski, who seems to have forgotten that she used to be a scientist, a physicist to boot.

  11. December 8, 2016 9:28 am

    You have to wonder if natural variation even exists in the minds of these types of climate propagandists.

  12. AlecM permalink
    December 8, 2016 9:57 am

    Suchan article definitely proves that such humans are facing a process of devolution back to the original single-celled organism.

  13. RAH permalink
    December 8, 2016 2:53 pm

    There will be no apology. Just as the press is doubling down on their claims of racism, homophobia, and zenophobia, in their attempt to cast Trump and any who support him in the light they desire. They are going to ramp up their lies about climate and weather up to try and turn public opinion against Trump in order to save the climate change scam and “green energy”. Both efforts are going to fail and the left and their press are going to lose as their claims get ever more outrageous.

    The left and their press in the US is not even close to hitting the bottom of the abyss they dove into. They remain in the political campaign mode and it will take at least one more election with very possibly the emergence of a Republican super majority in the Senate (a more highly likely outcome to the midterms in 2018 than many realize right now) before they may realize that their 24/7/365 smear campaign is hurting them with the majority of legitimate voters in the US.

    The democrats have no bench. No emerging leaders in part because they have no depth in flyover country. Republicans hold overwhelming majorities in governorships and state and commonwealth legislative seats and that dominance continues down through county seats. There are only five states where democrats hold governorships and majorities in the state legislature. The other reason the democrats have no bench is because their hard left leaders that continue to grasp the reins of the party in an iron grip with their aged hands quash anyone that will not without question toe the party line.

    The implications for the democrats in all of this besides a weak bench at the national level is that the next US census (Required every 10 years) is coming up in 2020. What this means that If Republicans continue to dominate at that time and they almost certainly will, it will be Republicans setting the boundaries of the voting precincts and that will set them up for domination well into the future.

  14. Bloke down the pub permalink
    December 8, 2016 4:34 pm

    Congrats on passing the 4 Million hits mark.

  15. December 8, 2016 5:46 pm

    So sorry Weather Channel, didn’t realise you had the monopoly on misleading Americans.

  16. dennisambler permalink
    December 8, 2016 5:52 pm

    Note the date:

    Glaciers Advancing or Retreating?, Alaska Science Forum July 27, 1976

    http://www2.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF1/102.html

    “Glaciers Advancing or Retreating?”
    Article #102 by T. Neil Davis

    “When Vancouver explored the southeastern Alaska coast in 1794 he found Glacier
    Bay filled with ice. Today it is mostly ice-free, but glaciologist William 0. Field predicts
    that it may fill with ice again over a period of hundreds of years.

    Though many Alaskan glaciers are retreating, quite a few others are advancing.
    Dr. Pield, still active after fifty years of glacial observation, cites examples
    of glaciers nearly side by side, some of which are retreating and others
    advancing. He concludes that factors other than climate change must be
    responsible.”

    Thirty years on:

    Alaska Science Forum March 8, 2006
    Article #1793 by Ned Rozell
    “Glacier, Bay, Glacier, Bay, Glacier, Glacier Bay”

    http://www.sitnews.us/0306news/031106/031106_ak_science.html

    “During the last 11,000 years, Glacier Bay has been filled with ice and has lost its ice at least three times, according to scientists who sample the remnants of ancient forests first identified by naturalist John Muir in Glacier Bay National Park.

    Early results on Reid Inlet, where Reid Glacier has now backed up out of the ocean, show that the glacier had retreated beyond where it is now more than 10,000 years ago, advanced to the sea by 8,000 years ago, again retreated beyond where it is now about 7,000 years ago, and the ice once again advanced to Reid Inlet beginning about 5,000 years ago.

    Other glaciers in the bay have followed the same here-and-gone pattern over the last 1,000 or more years.

    Why would Glacier Bay fill up and empty so many times in a relatively short amount of time? Lawson, Finnegan, and Richard Alley of Penn State University think fluctuations of the sun may be responsible.”

    Just seven years later Richard Alley was onboard the global warming train:

    “Has the Big Melt begun?”

    Note the same photographs as those in the current Weather Channel piece, Muir Glacier feeds into Glacier Bay.

    Check out Icy Bay:

    http://www.sitnews.us/0607news/062707/062707_ak_science.html

    “Icy Bay, located just west of Malaspina Glacier on Alaska’s dynamic southern coast, is like a smaller version of Glacier Bay. Like Glacier Bay, Icy Bay didn’t exist when captain George Vancouver sailed past in the late 1700s. Vancouver’s ship artist painted a portrait of an ice wall where the mouth of the bay is currently.”

    “The main glaciers in Icy Bay crept forward up to one-third of a mile sometime between August 2006 and June 2007. “At least three glaciers in the same bay have advanced in one year,” said Chris Larsen, a scientist at the Geophysical Institute at the University of Alaska Fairbanks…”

    “Tidewater glaciers-glaciers with tongues that dip into salt water-advance and retreat regardless of the warmth, or coolness of the air. Hubbard Glacier, for example, is threatening to bulldoze its way into Gilbert Point, north of Yakutat, as it keeps advancing.”

  17. Deneen Tomayko permalink
    December 8, 2016 6:26 pm

    Great find! But the headline has a grammar typo. The word Don’t should be Doesn’t. 🙂

  18. December 12, 2016 10:53 pm

    Reblogged this on Climate Collections.

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