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Wind farms could be built along HS2 route under confidential Government plans

January 27, 2019

By Paul Homewood

 

 

h/t Ian

 

This will put the cat among the pigeons!

 

 

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Wind farms could be built along the route of HS2 in a major resurrection of onshore turbines in Britain, under confidential Government-commissioned plans.

An official strategy document seen by The Sunday Telegraph proposes powering the controversial rail line using lucrative onshore wind farms spanning the equivalent of 19,000 football fields.

For some stretches of the line the majority of electricity would come from solar or wind farms built "on or near" the track, according to the plans. The document indicates that the move would require more land being purchased by developers along the route of the line, and could tip the scheme over its £56 billion budget.

The plan is likely to spark fury among MPs and residents who already fear the line will blight landscape.

The strategy sets out prices that would be pre-agreed with energy firms, at rates experts claimed would lead to passengers or taxpayers effectively paying a new "hidden subsidy" for wind farms, after formal subsidies were ended four years ago following a revolt by Conservative MPs.

The disclosure comes amid growing calls for the project to be scaled back or scrapped. Earlier this month The Sunday Telegraph revealed that HS2 Ltd, the Government-owned firm behind the scheme, had raised the possibility of slashing the number of trains in order to keep control over its budget

John Constable, director of the Renewable Energy Foundation, which publishes data on wind farms, said: "The proposed arrangements would amount to a hidden subsidy that would have to be funded by passengers or taxpayers or both. They could easily make HS2 the world’s most expensive railway."

The document, which was produced for HS2 Ltd by KPMG, sets out four options for powering the three phases of the Y-shaped line, which is due to run between London and Birmingham and then on to Manchester and Leeds.

The "preferred option" would see HS2 Ltd initially striking "power purchase agreements" (PPAs) with energy firms to provide electricity for the first two stages of the line using dedicated "assets", such as sections of solar farms as well as onshore and offshore wind farms, via the National Grid. 

For phase ‘2b’, the stretches between Crewe to Manchester and the West Midlands and Leeds which are not due to open until 2033, the firm could then adopt a "private wire solution" under which it would make use of dedicated solar or onshore wind farms directly connected to the line.

"Private wire agreements offer an alternative to corporate PPAs in that companies can invest directly in a renewable electricity generation asset on or near their own site; or alternatively commission the construction of the asset by a third party", the document states. If HS2 decided to develop the wind farms itself "it is likely there would be additional capex [capital expenditure] requirements beyond the pre-agreed budget.

"We envisage that the electricity generated under the private wire solution would be made up of solar or onshore wind," the document says.

It recognises that onshore turbines could lead to "a degree of resistance at the local level as onshore wind turbines have been considered an ‘eyesore’ by communities." But because of the unreliability of the wind, "onshore wind cannot be the only technology employed to meet HS2’s needs."

Last night an HS2 Ltd spokesman said: “We are taking a strategic long term approach for assessing how we will source electricity for HS2 operations. We commissioned an initial study of the range of potential electricity supply options, including generating renewable power from dedicated plants.

“By starting this process early we can use the time available to develop the right solution that both secures the supply of electricity to Britain’s new high speed rail network and helps reduce the railway’s carbon footprint."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/26/wind-farms-could-built-along-route-hs2-confidential-government/

 

HS2 is already hugely unpopular amongst communities living near to the line.

But I cannot think of anything that will annoy them more than miles of wind turbines lining the route.

As for the economics, John Constable is right that direct purchase arrangements will simply push wind subsidies onto passengers, for most of  whom HS2 is already set to be unaffordable.

It is suggested that the Stage 2 could obtain electricity direct from wind farm operators should save the railway money, as it would cut out payments to the middle man for grid costs, which ironically include renewable subsidies.

However, whatever saving accrues to HS2 would simply mean that other electricity users had to pay more than their share.

Given budget constraints, I see no possibility the government will pay for the turbines themselves. But given their mindless obsession with renewables, anything is possible.

33 Comments
  1. John Palmer permalink
    January 27, 2019 2:07 pm

    Before anyone else says it…. you just couldn’t make it up!!

    • HotScot permalink
      January 27, 2019 2:46 pm

      John Palmer

      But they did anyway.

      Of course you do realise it’s just an extension of leaves on the line and the wrong type of snow.

      Ticket Nazi – “Sorry sir, there’s not enough wind to move at the moment”.

      Passenger – “I didn’t know we were effing sailing to Manchester!”

      • Ben Vorlich permalink
        January 27, 2019 3:32 pm

        My wife reckons that a train whizzing by at 150mph should spin the turbines enough to keep everything running just fine.

    • January 27, 2019 3:04 pm

      I thought it was April 1st!

    • Gerry, England permalink
      January 28, 2019 2:09 pm

      There is a reason why political satire has died out – the scriptwriters keep being outdone by the politicians when it comes to laughable ideas. Dispiriting to come up with a great comic script only to find it is about to become government policy.

  2. January 27, 2019 2:12 pm

    Presumably, the wind from the slipstream of the trains will turn the turbines …

    • HotScot permalink
      January 27, 2019 2:52 pm

      johnfromcabanyal

      You do realise our governments keep their beady little peepers on sites like Paul’s to see if they can pick up any good ideas don’t you.

      Oi! Theresa, tell you what, stick sails on the trains, shrouds on the wind turbines and direct them at the sails to make the trains go faster™®©.

      There, that should make me a pretty penny when they implement it.

  3. Adrian permalink
    January 27, 2019 2:16 pm

    How fast will it be if it has to wait for the sun to come out, or the wind to blow. I suppose the alternative will be to ask those one board to contribute to buying some real ‘lekky’, not that there will be a lot.

    Perhaps there could be a sliding-scale offered to a ‘public vote’ (not to be confused with a referendum that might have already asked the same question and got a result not wanted by undemocratic forces e.g. BBC, labour party etc etc) to those on the train. Mebbe a tenner each per extra 10mph? Debit card readers by every seat?

    Anyway an absurd project for a country as small as the UK, now to be powered by fairy dust.

    In a world awash with dystopian literature, film etc. has anyone written a story where a country is run by a government that actually dribbles, is unfit to wipe it’s own arse, and actually get’s elected every few years?

    • Russ Wood permalink
      January 28, 2019 4:06 pm

      “Has anyone written a story where a country is run by a government that actually dribbles, is unfit to wipe it’s own arse, and actually get’s elected every few years?”
      Yes – it’s called “Idiocracy” and it’s a pretty fair extrapolation of the way the West is going! Mind you, Kornbluth did that YEARS ago with his “Marching Morons”.

  4. Charles Wardrop permalink
    January 27, 2019 2:16 pm

    “Mindless” is the word, and /or brainless and/or corrupt.
    Perhaps it is an idea from a combination of the likes of Huehne, Davey, Ed Milliband, Bryony Worthington and, heaven help us, Claire Perry.
    Why are any of their ideas ever taken seriously?
    Surely anyone with any numeracy, business sense or patriotic sense of financial and political responsibility and insight could see such a dopey scheme for what it is, a waste at best, like the HS2 project itself.
    However, the wind turbines represent yet another insane, hopefully fatal, flaw in its folly.

    • HotScot permalink
      January 27, 2019 2:42 pm

      Charles Wardrop

      This one looks like it’s straight out the Diane Abbott book of really, really good ideas that only cost the country £5,000.

  5. Getti permalink
    January 27, 2019 2:20 pm

    Surely, putting a sail on each carriage would be as energy efficient…. and cheaper?

  6. Jackington permalink
    January 27, 2019 2:55 pm

    What happens when the wind doesn’t blow at night?

  7. Bidefordcamel permalink
    January 27, 2019 2:58 pm

    I’m struggling with this remarkable idea.Build swathes of turbines to help meet the cost of er, subsidised turbines. The Euston terminus of this ludicrous project is currently a huge archaeological site, uncovering a mass burial ground. They should bury HS2 in it when finished.

  8. mikewaite permalink
    January 27, 2019 3:09 pm

    Let us consider the next problem: the electricity requirement for electric vehicles, which are the only type that you will be able to buy in a few years’s time. Current power sources will be completely inadequate to power up to an eventual 20 million vehicles.
    The obvious solution is to locate a wind farm at each of the service stations along the motorways and major A roads. There is plenty of room near the Warwick and Stafford service stations for example and the M4 runs mainly through high, windy downland – perfect for wind energy.
    A suggestion that should bring a sparkle to dear Claire’s eyes – if the Govt have not already planned for it.

    • Ben Vorlich permalink
      January 27, 2019 3:37 pm

      A lot of French motorway service stations have windturbines, frequently inoperative for months at a time.

  9. January 27, 2019 3:11 pm

    The wind turbines will have to be built at least fall-over distance from the railway line otherwise the risk of a major catastrophe would be too high. They would probably need to buy a swathe of land at least 200m wide on one or both sides of the track. Given the high population density and other infrastructure along the railway corridor, it is doubtful that they would be able to install many turbines.

    I wonder how far this country (the establishment, ie politicians, bureaucrats, green NGOs, troughers) is from reaching peak insanity.

  10. TinyCO2 permalink
    January 27, 2019 3:29 pm

    All so that over paid executives can have a big place out of London and cheap staff to clean in both locations but at the same time pretend that they’re saving the planet for us CO2 spewing peasants. Can our government get any more out of touch?

  11. January 27, 2019 3:37 pm

    This is little more than the vultures squabbling over the trough which will be kept filled up by stealth legislation imposed taxes/subsidy costs on we lessor mortals. A classic case of Austerity Creaction.

  12. January 27, 2019 4:51 pm

    Reblogged this on ajmarciniak.

  13. Coeur de Lion permalink
    January 27, 2019 5:17 pm

    I’m digging out my yellow vest. Actually, relax everybody, the scam is on the way out, EVs won’t catch on, power HS2 with diesels, there’s the answer.

  14. John F. Hultquist permalink
    January 27, 2019 5:44 pm

    I’ve got lots of popcorn. Seems I will need it.

  15. Athelstan permalink
    January 27, 2019 6:01 pm

    Powering, if that is the correct term a boondoggle (HS2) with whirlgigs and moonbeams, how fitting is it?

    Now, about the quest for the Holy grail and also finding the Philosophers Stone the dream time of illusion is there a government department set up yet? Because, I’m quite sure that HMG executive believe hard if you shove enough taxpayers money down the black hole surely it can be done, reality that’s someone else’s problem and that’s the ‘thinking’ isn’t it?

    Coming soon, even more open borders, an EU army, fiscal and monetary union and look all of a sudden there came something wicked this way, the federal superstate, teetering on the edge of insanity, or did they cross over?

    • HotScot permalink
      January 27, 2019 6:41 pm

      NO DEAL. I think May is running the clock down as it’s the least worst option for civil unrest.

      • Athelstan permalink
        January 28, 2019 12:43 am

        I do hope you are correct HotScot – and more than you could ever know, or me explain it.

  16. January 27, 2019 7:04 pm

    A simple solution would be to mount turbines on the roof of the train which at high speed should self-generate more than enough power

    • Tim the Coder permalink
      January 28, 2019 12:11 pm

      🙂
      Sadly, they are so innumerate they might actually struggle to realise this was a joke.
      How would you handle bridges and tunnels?

  17. Dave Ward permalink
    January 27, 2019 7:59 pm

    HS 2 (and Crossrail) is part of the trans EU “Ten-T” project:

    https://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/infrastructure/ten-t-guidelines/country-by-country_en

    “For those Member States where such projects are located, this also involves the obligation to align national infrastructure investment policy with European priorities

    And from this PDF link:

    Click to access ten-t-country-fiches-uk_en.pdf

    “What are the key benefits?
    The multimodal TEN-T Core Network with the Core Network Corridors will strongly contribute to European cohesion and strengthen the internal market. A more competitive economy will produce higher employment. Enhanced multimodality on a better rail, inland waterways and maritime infrastructure within the multimodal TEN-T, as well as innovative technologies in the field of transport, will induce modal shift, reduce congestion on road, cut emissions of greenhouse and polluting gases and boost transport safety and security”

    “UNITED KINGDOM:
    United Kingdom has 1 Core Network Corridor crossing its country:
    The North Sea-Mediterranean Corridor stretches from Belfast and the Irish ports of Cork and Dublin, as well as from the northern UK ports Glasgow and Edinburgh through Belgium, with a branch from Amsterdam and Rotterdam, via Luxembourg to Strasbourg and Basel and via Lyon to the southern French ports of Fos/Marseille. It covers rail, road, airports, ports, RRT’s and the Dutch-Belgian inland waterway system as well as the Rhône river.

    High Speed 2, Other Core Network, Rail: Studies & works for a high speed line London –
    Midlands

    Cardiff – Bristol – London, Other Core Network, Rail: Upgrading, including Crossrail “

    The link across Ireland, and its internal border, might be one of the reasons behind the EU’s demands for a “Back Stop”. And, of course, none of this will be mentioned by our useless government, even if we do actually manage to escape the EU’s clutches.

    • Athelstan permalink
      January 28, 2019 12:53 am

      HS2 always part of le grand projet and its long held very peculiar C19th Victorian-esque fascination of railways bringing about EUro wide cohesion – and its evident delusion, ref Spain, high speed railways bring Madrid faster to the countryside and the countryside moves to Madrid centralization they name it, economics calls it ‘economies of scale’.

      IMO, I think that the EU Ten-T is just ‘transport’ to speed apparatchiks to and from Brussels for regular updates and indoctrination programs, did I say ‘indoctrination’ – I meant brainwashing EU diktats and then spreading the poisons of indoctrination, they started this way back, before 1972 councils and councillors, government officials from the UK being boned up and readied to the big switch to the Berlin Federasy and when Ted dragged the nation in.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      January 28, 2019 2:24 pm

      With our incompetent, not fit for purpose and obsessed by personality legacy media, the amount by which the EU cancer has spread into our daily lives goes unnoticed. It is not as if the information is hidden, but the media require somebody to talk to them as opposed to doing some journalistic research of primary source information. Postal privatisation was driven by the EU, and our rail planning is subject to their approval as we can see. The delicious irony is that burgundy passports were not demanded by the EU but our lickspittle government of the day were only too keen to pretend it was.

      • Dave Ward permalink
        January 28, 2019 6:37 pm

        Although I only mentioned rail in my post, the Ten-T project encompasses all land based transport, and many UK road improvements fall under the same umbrella. Once again – you’ll never see that mentioned by the Beeb or our politicians…

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