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Labour Considering Net Zero By 2030

September 24, 2019
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By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Robin Guenier

 

In the race to the bottom, Labour are now seriously considering net zero emissions by 2030:

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Labour is pledging to invest billions of pounds in electric car production and offshore wind farms to accelerate the "green industrial revolution".

A future Labour government would take equity stakes in car producers in return for a £3bn capital investment in new electric models and machinery.

Thirty-seven publicly-owned wind farms will be built, with the profits used to regenerate deprived coastal areas.

Delegates will also debate the pace of decarbonisation at the conference.

Earlier this year, Parliament approved a law requiring the UK to bring all greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2050, a stricter target compared with the previous one of at least an 80% reduction from 1990 levels.

But the Momentum campaign group is leading calls at conference for Labour to adopt an even more ambitious timetable, with the aim of reaching zero net emissions by 2030.

Shadow business secretary Rebecca Long Bailey said she would be willing to support the more ambitious target if there was a "credible plan with trade unions and industry", and a "just transition" that did not adversely affect workers.

She told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: "Provided we have a plan, I am happy to work as quickly as possible. I know we have got to act faster and we’ve got to push people to do that."

Some unions, including the GMB, are concerned this is too ambitious and want guarantees that it will not lead to massive job losses in the automotive, energy and industrial sectors.

Firms will be able to bid for funding over two years to bring new models to market, in return for the government taking an equity stake in their business.

A further £2.3bn will be set aside to build three battery plants to supply electric cars. The plants are earmarked for South Wales, Stoke and Swindon – the latter potentially on the site of the Honda factory due to close in 2021.

Labour has already signalled this week it would spend £3.6bn on new electric charging infrastructure and introduce 2.5 million interest free loans to spur the take-up of electric models.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49804455

Idiots like Long-Bailey (qualifications – solicitor) seem to think you can cut emissions to nothing just by issuing a few directives and nationalising everything in sight.

As for the plan to throw billions at EVs, I seem to recall we have been down the road of state owned car plants before, and that did not work out to well!

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And nobody wanted to buy the cars they made:

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No matter how much taxpayer is thrown EVs, the bottom line is virtually nobody wants to buy one.

55 Comments
  1. September 24, 2019 11:40 am

    Reblogged this on Climate- Science.press.

  2. September 24, 2019 11:43 am

    How incompetent can politicians get? No need to answer that rhetorical question.

  3. September 24, 2019 11:43 am

    How incompetent can politicians get? No need to answer that rhetorical question.

  4. Tom Scott permalink
    September 24, 2019 11:48 am

    These people are insane. A quick glance at where we sit in the global emissions ranking both as a country as a whole and per capita demonstrate that, even if man-made global warming is real, the UK going to net zero will make precisely no difference whatsoever. What it will do is export a large number of our manufacturing jobs overseas.

    • Nicholas Lewis permalink
      September 24, 2019 7:38 pm

      Absolutely spot on

  5. grammarschoolman permalink
    September 24, 2019 11:53 am

    I think you’re forgetting that in a socialist state, what people _want_ to buy is irrelevant. The state makes it and you’re stuck with it, whether you like it or not. That’s clearly where we’re with energy as well as with consumer durables.

    • Michael Adams permalink
      September 24, 2019 4:29 pm

      It really doesn’t matter about taking stakes in car producers, and by the way the figure quoted is ridiculously small, because their real aim is to get us off the roads and get us living in caves.

      If it wasn’t so scary living through these times would be quite interesting; seeing how the new religion takes hold and how the zealots are able to grab power. Lets hope that Johnson comes to his senses and fights alongside Farage to deliver Brexit and a thumping defeat for Labour.

      As the Chinese curse says’ May you live in interesting times.”

  6. MrGrimNasty permalink
    September 24, 2019 11:57 am

    Even the Guardian says that Momentum/climate strikers/XR are linked/coordinating, so no surprise is it?

  7. Saighdear permalink
    September 24, 2019 12:04 pm

    Och well, so long as it’s just considering …… we all can consider lots of things. Planning!? well if it’s Labour’s OWN £p , then fairenough but in the spirit of the remoaners, count me OUT of it ( don’t use my money ) maybe Lady Hale & Co would go along with it.

    • September 24, 2019 1:54 pm

      Isn’t she already in it? Having seen her make a statement or something similar she must be, the English language escapes her.

  8. It doesn't add up... permalink
    September 24, 2019 12:06 pm

    I think they know they are completely unelectable, so they feel free to tout huge amounts of nonsense on every policy issue. Yet if Conservatives are now wedded to zero carbon by 2050, that is in the end just as unsustainable a policy with highly damaging consequences. There needs to be a proper pushback against this nonsense whichever party it emanates from.

    • September 24, 2019 1:56 pm

      Thank you for that, confirms my take on it as well. No Carbon = nothing really.

  9. saparonia permalink
    September 24, 2019 12:15 pm

    Will there be a fart tax?

  10. Joe Public permalink
    September 24, 2019 12:20 pm

    Despite all the publicity, 99.5% of all cars Brits bought in 2018 had an internal combustion engine.

    It’s laughable when sites such as this EV industry mouthpiece publish click bait headlines like “EV sales set new records in 2018” which is numerically correct, but includes a table which which shows reality.

    https://www.zap-map.com/ev-sales-set-new-records-in-2018/

  11. David permalink
    September 24, 2019 12:31 pm

    Could we revive the Trabant brand just to complete the picture?

    • Saighdear permalink
      September 25, 2019 7:47 pm

      Think we seem to have a Trabby already – those fibreglass composite weenmill blades – just as difficult to recycle…..

  12. johnbillscott permalink
    September 24, 2019 12:58 pm

    Momentum’s first task must be to build an impervious barrier from the ground to the firmament to stop all the CO2 from the rest of the world reaching our shores. Of course that barrier would stop the wind – dammed inconvenient. While China, India and the developing world “up” their CO2 and real pollutants, any talk of meeting and targets is impossible. So ruining our economy and way of life all seems rather fruitless. A Net-Zero carbon economy is a complete myth unless we are prepared to revert to pre-industrial life styles. Cannot see much uptake for that as we live in a world of privilege and entitlement fairies, Unicorns and Money trees are just an immature flight of fancy.

    • A C Osborn permalink
      September 25, 2019 2:39 pm

      Net Zero does not mean No “Carbon”, it means Zero increase over some predetermined amount, I think it was set at the 1990s level.

  13. Robert Christopher permalink
    September 24, 2019 1:00 pm

    “Thirty-seven publicly-owned wind farms will be built, with the profits used to regenerate deprived coastal areas.”

    Ha, ha, ha!

    • H Davis permalink
      September 24, 2019 3:18 pm

      But if they’re publicly owned why is their output priced high enough to produce profits?

    • Martin Howard Keith Brumby permalink
      September 24, 2019 4:52 pm

      Robert Christopher
      I assumed when I read this sentence that they had missed their (/sarc.) tag.
      After all, just consider the ever growing list of groups of people (mostly, in fact, their supporters) that the Labour Party has betrayed in the last 20 years. Why would the denizens of ‘deprived coastal areas’ be exempt?
      So far as I can see, the only exemptions available are strictly for the Ruinable Energy moguls and for terrorist groups. And even they are interchangeable.

    • Nial permalink
      September 26, 2019 8:59 am

      “Thirty-seven publicly-owned wind farms will be built, with the profits used to regenerate deprived coastal areas.”

      And this from the shadow ‘business’ minister.

      They really haven’t a f’king clue.

      Sorry for swearing, but this justifies it.

  14. john cooknell permalink
    September 24, 2019 1:01 pm

    I have pointed out to Rebecca Long Bailey, via the Labour website, that to make wind and solar work you need gas, and the Labour Policy is to ban fracking.

    So how does that work? I asked her, silence has been the answer

    • Chaswarnertoo permalink
      September 25, 2019 7:48 am

      You expect logic and intelligence from a leftard………

  15. JimW permalink
    September 24, 2019 1:05 pm

    Given the Supreme Court judgement today, the odds of a GE soon have shortened considerably. As the Tories seem unwilling to contemplate an alliance of sorts with the brexit party, its highly probable that a Labour/Lib Dem govt may be the result. That may only be after Grandad is replaced by Emily. But the nutty zero emissions limits will then be ‘all systems go’.
    So I fear the de-industrialised UK can look forward to the enveloping embrace of a nutty green Germany in a federal Europe.

  16. September 24, 2019 1:39 pm

    Not sure exactly where this country is going, but at least we know we’ll be going there in a handcart!

  17. Gerry, England permalink
    September 24, 2019 1:53 pm

    You have to smile when the unions – Labour’s paymasters – raise concerns that their members will lose their jobs as part of this lunacy Labour are proposing.

    Meanwhile, all is not well for battery cars in China – the great hope market – as the leading manufacturer has lost money even faster than Tossla! The government has removed subsidies and guess what happened? Same as everywhere else – sales dropped.

    When it comes to sales talk it is always about percentages and not actual numbers, which generally lag far behind the Ford Fiesta.

    It is scary that these communists could be as close as they are to governing and turning the UK into an economic wasteland that may never recover.

  18. swan101 permalink
    September 24, 2019 3:11 pm

    Reblogged this on ECO-ENERGY DATABASE.

  19. September 24, 2019 3:54 pm

    Buying an EV is a pretty bad idea financially: expensive, heavy depreciation, unknown battery life and so forth.

    However, leasing one is more credible, although still expensive and with the usual EV drawbacks like lack of public charging points and limited range.

    Then there are other questions e.g.:
    Who is paying for all the subsidies, giveaway loans etc?
    What about all the extra electricity and beefed up local networks needed?
    What replaces the billions in fuel tax revenue that the government relies on?

    – to name a few.

    • sassycoupleok permalink
      September 24, 2019 4:49 pm

      Spot on !!!!

    • Gerry, England permalink
      September 25, 2019 1:56 pm

      It is the same with pushing battery landscaping tools. If you have a battery drill you know doubt have a second battery usually stored on the charger so you are always ready. So you need a second battery that will be an additional cost or you will find the tool not ready to go when required. And if you are away from a power source and you battery goes flat what then? Who said carry a petrol generator? Or just use a petrol powered tool with a can of fuel.

    • A C Osborn permalink
      September 25, 2019 2:34 pm

      Well we all know who is paying the Subsidies etc, us Tax Payers.

  20. Robin Guenier permalink
    September 24, 2019 4:04 pm

    Labour is not just ‘considering’ net zero by 2030 – according to the FT, it’s now party policy: https://www.ft.com/content/8927da7e-dec7-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc? (behind paywall)

    Also see this: https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/environment/news/106778/labour-back-plan-hit-net-zero-emissions-2030-despite-union

    Quite mad.

    • Curious George permalink
      September 24, 2019 5:24 pm

      The EU will be glad to get rid of Labour – use it in Brexit negotiations.

    • jazznick permalink
      September 24, 2019 6:23 pm

      Robin

      If ‘net zero’ is the number of seats they are looking to retain by 2030 I think they are pretty much ahead of target !

    • Robin Guenier permalink
      September 24, 2019 6:47 pm

      A few days ago The Conversation had an article by a ‘professor of sustainable development’ at the University of Surrey which concluded by stating that the Government’s 2050 net zero target should be brought forward by ‘by at least two decades’: http://tiny.cc/t1fadz

      I responded by asking him if he thought that was physically possible, pointing out that – amongst much else – we would have to serve all our primary energy needs with renewable power and do so within ten years. Assuming we set out to do that with wind turbines, I noted that currently we have about 10,000 turbines supplying about 18% of our electric power – i.e. 5% of primary energy. Therefore by 2030 we would have to build and commission another 190,000 turbines, requiring about 170 million tons of steel, 470 million tons of concrete, 8 million tons of (largely non-recyclable) plastic and significant amounts of rare earth materials. Did he consider that possible?

      He has yet to answer.

  21. Jackington permalink
    September 24, 2019 4:34 pm

    I feel quite hurt by your knocking of B. Leyland like that because I owned an Austin Princess for many years; a remarkable set of wheels ( on a rust-bucket body)!

    • September 24, 2019 4:44 pm

      Around that time I had a Skoda Coupe!! That was a rust bucket!

      • Michael Adams permalink
        September 24, 2019 5:06 pm

        I thought rust must have been a colour option.

        I owned an Austin 3 litre, an under engineered car that kept breaking down. The mechanic at the dealer’s workshop said they called the Allegro “all aggro” Bad management, weak government and strong unions, a recipe for disaster.

    • September 24, 2019 9:49 pm

      My parents bought a Marina and soon realised their mistake. So they sold it to a friend who ‘liked fixing cars’ – I’m sure it gave him many hours of fun.

  22. sassycoupleok permalink
    September 24, 2019 4:51 pm

    The net cost to the consumers is never discussed. It will put many into poverty.

  23. Brian James permalink
    September 24, 2019 5:12 pm

    Sep 21, 2019 Climate Strikers: get rid of meat, oil, cars, capitalism, Trump

    In the hit movie “Avengers: Endgame”, the villain Thanos has used the infinity gauntlet to eliminate half of all life in the universe. So, we asked protesters at the youth climate march in NYC, what would they eliminate to stop climate change?

    • Michael Adams permalink
      September 24, 2019 6:13 pm

      Would have been interesting if the interviewer asked them how they got there. Anything using fossil fuel maybe?

  24. Neil Wilkinson permalink
    September 24, 2019 5:23 pm

    Total facepalm. No idea who I could vote for in a GE

    • Adam Gallon permalink
      September 24, 2019 6:19 pm

      That’s the problem. Who the hell can a rational person vote for in a General Election? All the parties are wedded to the climate change scam, they’re all either all for a crash out Brexit, or a return to the loving bosom of the EU.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        September 25, 2019 2:00 pm

        People don’t like it and blather on about people fighting for your right to vote, but I choose the option not to vote as no party stands for conservatism. Not that in many cases it makes much difference if your constituency is solidly for one party. The referendum was the only time my vote made any difference.

      • Saighdear permalink
        September 25, 2019 7:44 pm

        Gerry, I whole-heartedly agree with you. However, I feel it is better to go and Vote for No-one by spoiling the ballot paper.
        Really a better choice would have been “None of the above” as an option, so that you could still honestly say that you HAD VOTED positively.

  25. September 24, 2019 7:04 pm

    They can pump as much money into vanity projects as they want
    Just as the Tories can have austerity when they want or the next minute Boris has loads of money. The Banks (private rich individuals) have always been able to control the amount of money in circulation. By making loans and credit easy when they want or restricting the money supply by reversing policy. It is like the pump and dump with shares.
    Until the government cut out the rich individuals that were given the right to create money out of thin air in 1690 and lend this made up money out at interest. The boom and bust economy will continue.
    The projects announced may sound large but are small beer. Billions are wasted on lots of failed projects. Nine billion was wasted on a failed NHS computer system . Billions are being wasted oh HS2 rail system.
    They say every dog has his day and the climate fad is in vogue.
    They are trying yo convince people it is a national emergency like we are on a war footing.
    It is a competition between propaganda and reality.
    In the story the boy pointed out the Emperor had no clothes. But in reality the boy would have been put in a insane asylum.

    • Russ Wood permalink
      September 25, 2019 2:54 pm

      On “The Emperor’s New Clothes”, the late Sir Terry Pratchett wrote:
      “Supposing an Emperor was persuaded to wear a new suit of clothes whose material was so fine that, to the common eye, the clothes weren’t there. And suppose a little boy pointed out this fact in a loud, clear voice …
      Then you have The Story of the Emperor Who Had No Clothes.

      But if you knew a bit more, it would be The Story of the Boy who Got a Well-Deserved Thrashing from His Dad for Being Rude to Royalty, and Was Locked Up.
      Or The Story of the Whole Crowd Who Were Rounded Up by the guards and Told ‘This Didn’t Happen, Okay? Does Anyone Want to Argue?’

      Or it could be a story of how a whole kingdom suddenly saw the benefits of the ‘new clothes’, and developed an enthusiasm for healthy sports (mostly involving big, big beachballs) in a lively and refreshing atmosphere which got many new adherents every year, and led to a recession caused by the collapse of the conventional clothing industry.
      It could even be a story about The Great Pneumonia Epidemic of ’09. …”

      Sir Terry also had his ‘Wee Free Men’ declaring “We willnae be fooled again!”.

      So, let’s hope that the fooling fools won’t be successful!

  26. BLACK PEARL permalink
    September 24, 2019 7:46 pm

    Not many normal & sane people aspire to become politicians, the evidence can clearly be seen today. Therefore, you end up with the hypocrisy, agenda driven, political animals with twisted perception no nothing nutters forming policy on how we live our lives.
    If there is a modern day ‘Oliver Cromwell’ out there, please step forward and do your duty.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      September 25, 2019 2:02 pm

      Civil war may well be the only option, especially if the Remainers get our Article 50 notification revoked. They truly haven’t considered the outcome of doing that but then they are stupid.

  27. Coeur de Lion permalink
    September 25, 2019 11:23 am

    I spend some time each year at the little town of St Cyprien in the Perigord. The council has virtue signalled one EV charging point in the municipal car park. I have never seen it used. For some weeks now it has had a permanent red banner attached with DANGER DE MORT in large white lettering. Not sure whether this signals a defect, vandalism or normality.

  28. Micky Redmire permalink
    September 26, 2019 6:50 am

    A committee of British MPs has already published a report stating that widespread private ownership of powered vehicles must stop.

    “>“widespread personal vehicle ownership does not appear to be compatible with significant decarbonisation”. <"

    Madness.

    Committee chaired by Norman Lamb, a solicitor. Lamb's father set up the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

  29. Athelstan. permalink
    September 26, 2019 7:36 pm

    It’s all OK! honest! – uncle steptoe will sort it – or greta’s going to get you.

    Year Zero, Kampuchea? – nope, the killing fields will be on the meadows of the Home Counties.

  30. Stonyground permalink
    September 26, 2019 7:47 pm

    I used to have a 3.5 litre V8 Rover and it was a lovely car. I suspect that it may have been designed before the UK car industry was nationalised and built in the early days before everything became so messed up. Still, nice car if rather thirsty. I wouldn’t swap my Korando for it though.

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