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Climate Science Training

April 17, 2021

By Paul Homewood


h/t Ian Magness



Climate science training explained!




  1. grammarschoolman permalink
    April 17, 2021 1:25 pm

    Shouldn’t that say ‘Covid science training’?

    • April 17, 2021 10:31 pm

      Astra Zeneca vaccine, MHRA missed over 100 cases of Thrombocythemia auto immune reaction from Feb to March, unfortunately this is True, I feel let down completely. Is there no end to this mess.

      Up to 5 April 2021, the MHRA had received Yellow Card reports of 100 cases of major thromboembolic events (blood clots) with concurrent thrombocytopenia (low platelet counts) in the UK following vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. These events occurred in 61 women and 39 men aged from 18 to 85 years and the overall case fatality rate was 22% with 22 deaths.

      • April 19, 2021 2:37 am

        Your standard says NO POLIO VACCINE COULD HAVE EVER BEEN MADE, nor ANY OTHER VACCINE. You condemn people to horrible diseases because you can’t do statistics or understand really. Deplorable.

      • April 19, 2021 2:39 am

        Reality, not really.

      • dave permalink
        April 19, 2021 9:02 am

        The ISSUE is the now-probable effect of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine on the 1 in 10,000 adults who have an undiagnosed auto-immune disease called Immune Thrombocytopenia. The platelets of the blood are continually being destroyed by the patient’s own immune system and this has various undesirable effects. For sufferers, the risk of a severe brain injury from an internal bleed seems to be 1 in 20 every time they are injected with this vaccine.

        f you have had a bloods work-up fairly recently and your platelets count was normal and/or you do not bruise or bleed easily, there is nothing to worry about on this particular score.

        Since the incidents were among younger people (Median Age 46) the adverse effect IS concerning. A person of 46 who dies or is mentally crippled has statistically lost 40 years of quality life.

      • dave permalink
        April 19, 2021 1:29 pm

        Incidentally, Texas ‘opened up’ on March 11 to a near-universal scream of hate and derision from the big-headed fools who now generally control the Western World; example, ‘Senile Joe’ who, in a profoundly thoughtful comment, called the Governor of Texas ‘Neanderthal.’ *

        Seven-day moving average of daily deaths, on March 11 – 203

        ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ” , on April 18 – 55

        The disease is also steadily disappearing from the UK. The Zoe Covid Symptom Tracker, which has always proved to be generally accurate, calculates that the number of new symptomatic cases yesterday was just 1,157, compared to 69,000 a day in mid-January.

        *Every student of human evolution learns that the Neanderthals had bigger brains than us. Whether this meant they were actually smarter is something we will never know.

  2. Robert Christopher permalink
    April 17, 2021 1:41 pm

    That looks like Critical Climate Theory to me!

  3. Harry Passfield permalink
    April 17, 2021 1:44 pm

    When I had to pass on skills to new recruits I often wondered on the subtle difference between me, teaching them everything I knew or, when they went out into the world, whether I had taught them everything THEY knew.

  4. Broadlands permalink
    April 17, 2021 1:44 pm

    Approved conclusions, of course, require the approval from approved sources. That’s one major reason why peer-review doesn’t work when the topic is political and controversial. And it doesn’t have to be climate science related.

    • April 17, 2021 5:18 pm

      The editor of Lancet described peer review thus: “Peer review to the public is portrayed as a quasi-sacred process that helps to make science our most objective truth teller, but we know that the system of peer review is biased, unjust, unaccountable, incomplete, easily fixed, often insulting, usually ignorant, occasionally foolish, and frequently wrong”

      • Gerry, England permalink
        April 18, 2021 11:46 am

        The Alarmists love to hide behind peer review as they use it to stop contrary papers being published and yet as Donna LaFramboise pointed out there is a lot of grey non-reviewed papers in IPCC reports.

        As Climategate showed us, Alarmists use pressure on editors to stop papers being accepted for publication. Those that do try to pursue publication will then get ridiculous rejections that suggest the reviewer never read the paper and was always going to reject it. As has been commented on WUWT about papers being behind paywalls, there is a 4 figure cost to publication that can justify that unless the research is public-funded. We also have the pal review system where the authors mates give a thumbs up.

        And it that was not enough peer review is not a thorough work through of the paper but a read through in an hour or so. Of course there are also the deliberate fake papers that passed peer review to show the system up.

  5. Tim Leeney permalink
    April 17, 2021 1:51 pm

    See Christopher Booker’s report (GWPF 28) “Global Warming – A case study in groupthink”, He makes it clear that the groupthink mode can develop over any issue when there is incomplete evidence for a viewpoint cherished by a particular group, and results in the same closing of ranks, stifling of opposition, etc.

  6. Penda100 permalink
    April 17, 2021 4:43 pm

    Climate change isn’t a science it’s a religion. It looks like pretty good theological training.

  7. David McCobb permalink
    April 17, 2021 5:02 pm

    Just before her GCSE exams my granddaughter was told by her teachers, possibly because they were aware of my influence, that if there was a question on climate change then no matter the validity of her arguments or the strength of the evidence if her answer did not comply to the accepted ‘fact’ that global warming was man-made and dangerous, then she would be failed.
    And that is the state of our ‘education’, sorry, ‘indoctrination’ system.

    • dave permalink
      April 18, 2021 9:34 am

      Being out of school for a year or two might prove to have been the intellectual ‘saving’ of many of them. At the same time, of course, it has been emotionally disastrous for others.*
      I wonder if the latter fact is to be explained, in part, by how little real education they had before all this..

      The NHS has done virtually nothing for a year – and the predicted wave of extra deaths from lack of treatment has not materialized. Of course not!. Most modern treatments are merely temporary, expensive, fixes on bodies that are completely worn-out. Like getting a respray for your car just before it fails its MOT for, basically, being made of rust.

      So many of the routine things we do, as a society, are, at best, based on vague, out-of-date, old wives’ tales. At worst, they are just us obeying the mad capers and wails of the official – and unofficial – witch-doctor gangs.

      * I know of one teen-age girl who simply bursts into tears, three or four times a day. All her friends do the same. I do not suppose Mr. Johnson has the slightest understanding of what he has actually done.

  8. Malcolm Bell permalink
    April 17, 2021 6:42 pm

    Exactly so.
    Failure to comply will result in intense internet abuse.

  9. theolderguvnor permalink
    April 17, 2021 7:57 pm

    Tap in on BBC weather forecast for your area and note headline temp for each day. Tap on the day and more often than not max figure is a degree less than headline. A degree is half of the whole climate change uplift issue isn’t it?

  10. heatherclad permalink
    April 17, 2021 8:02 pm

    I had to complain to my daughters’ school in 2014 about the Chemistry teacher who was showing Al Gore’s infamous film to his class and presenting it as “fact”. After I sent the head teacher a copy of the 2007 High Court judgement against the Education Secretary, in which a large number of Gore’s claims were demonstrated to be untrue and exaggerated, she agreed not to show the film in school again,

    I’ve had to advise my daughters to answer their public exam questions in the “approved” manner although I have suggested they might see what happens if they ask their gullible teachers to explain what caused the Little Ice Age.

    • Duker permalink
      April 18, 2021 11:45 pm

      Better still , get them to ask about the multiple warm periods during the last ice age, or as its called in the current lingo – Abrupt Climate Change on Millennial scale- Dansgaard-Oeschger cycles.
      By definition they have to find natural causes for these abrupt warmings and coolings and yet not find ‘too much’ natural causes.

  11. MrGrimNasty permalink
    April 17, 2021 8:23 pm

    In today’s world, often when politicians and media say ‘following THE science’, they mean unquestionable dogma, doctrine, belief, politics, orthodoxy etc.

    Not to be confused with actual science.

    • devonblueboy permalink
      April 17, 2021 10:30 pm

      Exactly, there never has been THE science; only the current theory which has yet to be disproved. My Biochemistry Professor in the late 60s warned us that if we ever found scientists presenting a concensus it meant that someone had their hands in our pockets.

  12. cookers52 permalink
    April 17, 2021 9:41 pm

    From personal experiences the global financial crisis of 2008 was caused by exactly this atypical group think.

    The financial industry was regulated and audited in every conceivable way, but those who raised concerns on what was going on , were always ignored and often got rid of.

    Now Mark Carney, Stern etc have found something else to get wrong.

  13. Duker permalink
    April 17, 2021 9:48 pm

    I see my local paper, when reading it online, had a weekend columnists rantings which started with a phrase I guess well be seeing a lot more of. ” Delay is the new Climate Denial”

  14. 2hmp permalink
    April 18, 2021 8:10 am

    Whenever the subject of Climate Change comes up I always ask “What facts are you basing that idea on ?”. So far no one has given a single fact as an answer.

  15. April 18, 2021 8:27 am

    The prescribed script

  16. April 18, 2021 9:33 am

    Human-caused global warming is always the answer. Now, what was the question?

  17. MrGrimNasty permalink
    April 18, 2021 2:51 pm

    This looks like another white elephant to me?

    From what I can gather from other sources a 300MW plant uses nearly half the electricity generated for driving the oxygen separation plant and the compression process. And produces 2400 Mt of CO2 per day – not sure how that compares to an equivalent 170MW CCGT plant – my first attempt to calculate from Google sourced data came to LESS CO2 from existing CCGT, I assuming I messed up, and then I lost the will……..

    It’s not CO2 free, it does attempt to ‘reburn’ some of it by mixing it back in with the neat oxygen but still delivers the rest (the 2400Mt) in a pipe suitable for CCS (tech. which doesn’t exist at scale).

    It’s clean in as far as the only gaseous product of combustion is CO2 and water, but surely an incredibly inefficient way to use gas to generate electricity?

    • Dan permalink
      April 18, 2021 4:32 pm

      It’s basically an oxy fuel process. The main advantage is nitrogen in the air is an inert in the combustion process and so absorbs energy. This is no longer there. Flux has is much smaller as well. Nox is also reduced.

      The problem has always been the cost and efficiency of the oxy separation versus the bonus listed above. The claim will live or die on this.

      Glass uses oxy fuel to get to their required temps and blast furnace for metals will typically use oxy enrichment in the generation of their tuyete flames (iron esp).

      White rose pink eer plant in the UK was going this route. And yes while the co2 in flue gas is purer, it is still produced.
      CH4 + 2 O2 → CO2 + 2 H2O

    • Stuart Brown permalink
      April 18, 2021 9:05 pm

      OK, more kipper than sole, no real expert, but certainly bored…

      Methane’s heat of combustion is 55.5 MJ/kg, but natural gas may not be pure methane. Figures as low as 45 MJ/kg may apply, so assume 50?
      1MJ = 0.28kWh
      1kg of methane burnt produces 2.75kg of CO2 (I’m told, but can’t make that add up 😦 – molecular weight of CO2 = 46, molecular weight of methane = 18. 46/18= 2.56)
      Efficiency of a CCGT = 60% at best?

      So… 1kWh = 3.6MJe = 6MJth = 0.12kg methane = 0.33kg CO2.

      If that’s right it will be a minor miracle!

      Best of luck finding the overall efficiency of the Allam cycle plant including the oxygen separation.

      …claims that it is 11% more efficient than a CCGT with carbon capture. But presumably much less efficient than _without_ carbon capture! So, I think your calculations were probably right Mr GN.

      Please feel free to point out any maths bloomers.

      • MrGrimNasty permalink
        April 18, 2021 9:29 pm

        Thanks, maybe a closer look tomorrow, I’m fried tonight!

        I think my main problem was I forgot to allow for the energy used for carbon capture ‘readiness’ output from the CCGT to make it comparable.

        Supposedly from the source I found, a 300MW version of this plant uses about 55MW for the oxygen and 75MW for compression.

        ATEOTD it seems it does still produce CO2 that has to be stored, but with cleaner combustion, might reduce CO2 over CCS equipped CCGT – but not massively.

      • MrGrimNasty permalink
        April 19, 2021 10:03 am

        See table on page marked 338:

        Seems thermal efficiency is a bit better than gas+CC, but the main advantage seems to be near 100% of CO2 can be captured, you’re still left with the problem what to do with it!

  18. Coeur de Lion permalink
    April 18, 2021 4:33 pm

    Hullo Paul – I was trying to find the 2016 162 page massive complaint against the BBC both on my PC and your archive here, ‘file not found’ which is a huge pity as it devastates inter alia BBC complaints handling and David Attenboro’. Can you help please?

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