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Dominic Lawson: You can have green or growth — but not both

November 6, 2022

By Paul Homewood

Dominic Lawson nails it:

 

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Just think of all the important world leaders that Rishi Sunak could persuade to join the UK in the great “net zero carbon” campaign when the British PM makes the trip this week that he originally said he didn’t have time for: to the Cop 27 climate conference in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt. The leaders of China and India, whose combined refusal at the Cop26 meeting in Glasgow to agree any date for abandoning coal use reduced Alok Sharma, the British president of the event, to tears; the leader of the world’s second-largest exporter of coal, Australia; the leader of Canada, where oil production has reached record levels of more than five million barrels a day; the leader of Russia, the planet’s biggest exporter of hydrocarbons.
Except not one of those countries’ leaders will be present. Admittedly President Putin is too busy terrorising and murdering Ukrainians to find time. But Messrs Xi, Modi, Albanese and Trudeau also have more pressing engagements in their diaries. A chap might be forgiven for wondering if they are less than fully committed to playing their part in the great cause, and don’t want to be publicly lectured on the matter by Greta Thunberg.
Though it turns out that the world’s most feted environmentalist isn’t attending either, having denounced the whole process as “greenwashing”. However, Ms Thunberg did show up last week in London to promote the latest publication bearing her name: The Climate Book. She took the opportunity to explain to her adoring audience that “the climate crisis has its roots in racist, oppressive extractivism”.
This will come as a bit of a blow to the European car industry, which under the orders of governments notionally committed to the same cause as Thunberg is switching from the internal combustion engine to power from batteries. Not that such power is inherently green: in China, for example, those electric cars will, in effect, be vehicles powered by coal. But if it’s “oppressive extractivism” you are bothered about, let me introduce you to the miners — many of them children — of the Democratic Republic of Congo, holder of the bulk of the world’s known reserves of cobalt, used in the batteries that power most electric vehicles.
In fairness to Thunberg, she doesn’t think we should be driving any sort of vehicle at all: her vision of life in accord with our moral duty “to the planet” is a kind of reversion to the Garden of Eden, or perhaps something akin to the way the Amish live. Funnily enough, she does somewhat resemble a member of that fundamentalist religious movement.
But she, at least, does not delude herself that it is possible to become more productive — the source of all economic progress and prosperity — while “going green”. At the heart of the transformation of mankind’s prospects over centuries is the growing efficiency with which energy is produced. What Thunberg denounced as “extractivism” is the very process that has done most to lift the world’s inhabitants out of abject poverty. The more of our resources required to generate energy, the more that progress is reversed.


So, for example, according to the late Professor Sir David MacKay, who was chief scientific adviser to the British government’s energy department, if you wanted onshore wind power to meet all our domestic energy requirements, it would be necessary to cover half the land mass of the British Isles with turbines.
Only, as he also pointed out, the laws of physics would stop this working even if any government were crazy enough to attempt it. Wind power is inherently unreliable, because it is unpredictably intermittent. And it cannot feasibly be stored. Therefore, the more a country is reliant on wind power, simultaneously the more it requires gas, as that is the most flexible backup fuel. In the past it would have been coal, which can be stored easily and at almost zero cost.
Now look at Germany, whose Energiewende policy trailblazed the switch from fossil fuels to wind power. On one day in 2019 wind power supplied almost 60 per cent of the country’s demand; on another day it could muster only 2.6 per cent. Cheap Russian gas seemed to be the ideal backup, but then … well, you know the rest. Result: the German government has just authorised the removal of a wind farm that sits over untapped coal reserves, which the country now desperately needs to keep its industry going (and voters warm). RWE, which owns both the wind farm and the coalmine, explained: “We realise this comes across as paradoxical. But that is how matters stand.”
Matters, however, are not standing but developing apace — and most unfavourably for Europe’s leading economy. America enjoys, through the development of vast reserves by the process known as “hydraulic fracturing”, gas prices about a fifth of those in Europe. So some of Germany’s industries have now gone west: literally. Ten days ago the country’s biggest chemicals company, BASF, said it would have to downsize “permanently” in Europe.
And what of our country, home to deliciously taxable onshore gas reserves that, even if only 10 per cent were recoverable, could provide 50 years of domestic demand at the present rate? For purely political reasons Rishi Sunak reversed Liz Truss’s decision to lift the moratorium on UK shale gas production, though last week a group of Conservative policymakers advocated lifting a similar block on new onshore wind. When you consider that to generate the same amount of energy over 20-25 years as a five-acre, ten-well shale gas site you would need a wind farm 725 times the size, you see just how politics conquers reason (and indeed the landscape) in UK energy strategy.
Our likely next government has set out a “green growth” plan hatched by its former leader — now shadow climate change secretary — Ed Miliband. He declared at the Labour Party conference six weeks ago that his plan would “make Britain the first country in the world to achieve the target of zero carbon power”. Not just “net zero”, but no carbon-based energy at all. Blackouts, here we come. Or, to put it another way, it’ll be green but there will be no growth. On the contrary.
No one seemed to pay attention to Gary Smith, leader of the GMB (the union whose large donation to party funds was cancelled out, in effect, by one from a renewable energy firm): “What’s your message to workers in the vital chemicals manufacturing sector who depend on imported fracked gas as feedstock for the industry?” He also urged Labour to stop bowing to the “bourgeois environmental lobby”.
Too late: that’s taken over policy across Europe. It’s only the rest of the world that understands what makes economies grow.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dominic-lawson-the-big-green-question-can-we-risk-growth-c5fdzgr50?mc_cid=40659a0609&mc_eid=4961da7cb1

46 Comments
  1. November 6, 2022 4:17 pm

    You can have Growth, But You Cannot Have Green!

    To build enough Windmills, to build enough Solar Panels, to build enough Batteries, you must destroy too much environment to mine the materials and you must use too much energy to process and manufacture all of it, you must destroy too much environment to install all the Windmills and Solar Panels, and your Battery Farms must be spaced out because the Lithium Batteries must to have space so that when one burns, it does not ignite the others.

    That is before you even consider “End of Life Recycling or Disposal”!

    You can have growth!

    You Cannot Have Green!

    • Broadlands permalink
      November 6, 2022 8:51 pm

      “To build enough Windmills, to build enough Solar Panels, to build enough Batteries, you must destroy too much environment to mine the materials and you must use too much energy to process and manufacture all of it.”

      Exactly…and that energy is primarily from the extensive transportation involved. Almost entirely using conventional vehicles that run on gasoline, diesel and biofuels. There is nothing green about that growth. As the transition continues expect new records every year from Mauna Loa for quite a while.

      • Vernon E permalink
        November 7, 2022 3:31 pm

        The point is that you CAN’T build enough windmills. It doesn’t matter how may there are when the wind doesn’t blow there is no power generated. There has to be backup and into the foreseeable future that has to be gas turbine generation. The overlooked point is that the back up power has to be viable so it has to have operating time.

  2. November 6, 2022 4:19 pm

    Nothing green about mining for minerals.

  3. November 6, 2022 4:20 pm

    Look at how far California Transmission Lines run Now, and they still have trouble getting enough Power.

  4. johnbillscott permalink
    November 6, 2022 4:25 pm

    For the Swedish Gnome the Jig is up and the script, written by her handlers, has to be adjusted based on a truth revealed at a recent news conference in Brussels, Costa Rican Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change. Figures admitted that “the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism”. This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.

    • Micky R permalink
      November 6, 2022 6:28 pm

      ” Figures admitted that “the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism”. This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said. ”

      Is there a definitive source to support this? I can find several references to this online, but nothing definitive. I have emailed the UN, but didn’t get a reply.

      • Mike Jackson permalink
        November 6, 2022 8:22 pm

        The usual quote is: “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history.”
        There are several possible links: ‘Figueres quotes’ should get you there

      • Phoenix44 permalink
        November 7, 2022 8:05 am

        Who is the “we'” in her mind?

        She’s remarkably ignorant of history. The worst environmental damage was done by Socialist regimes.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        November 7, 2022 1:28 pm

        The ‘We’ is the global Fascist elite such as the WEF, Soros, Gates, the UN, WHO etc.

    • Mike Jackson permalink
      November 6, 2022 8:17 pm

      That wasn’t recent; that was years ago, just as Edenhofer said before the Cancun COP 12 years ago,
      “We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy…Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization…One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore.”
      Did we psy attention then? Are we paying attention now?

      • eastdevonoldie permalink
        November 7, 2022 11:16 am

        Classic socialism – “wealth redistribution” under the guise of action against Climate Change/

      • Mike Jackson permalink
        November 7, 2022 12:16 pm

        As I said … hiding in plain sight. Why do we still not believe them? Edenhoffer, Figueres, even Wirth years ago:- Even if we’re wrong we’re doing the right thing for the environment (paraphrased).

    • Richard Jarman permalink
      November 7, 2022 9:58 am

      The aim of activism is to destroy the economy of what might broadly be though of as the West and COP27 etc is a useful roll call of the useful idiots

  5. November 6, 2022 4:27 pm

    I have devices that use lithium batteries, but when I need batteries replaced, they send me a battery, with labeling, Ground Transportation Only, and return Paid Postage, with labeling, Ground Transportation Only.

    Next, they are going to power Airplanes with Lithium Batteries. Go Figure!

  6. November 6, 2022 4:49 pm

    I found it amazing that on the same day as the start of FLOP27, the Sunday Times publishes such a sensible article.

    But as expected, if you go to the Science Section of the BBC website, you find 6 articles about “climate change” and zero articles about science.

  7. Keith permalink
    November 6, 2022 6:47 pm

    You have to remember Greenpeace and WWF run out Energy Dept, they have for years. They told Sunak to attend COP27 and like a puppy dog he has.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      November 7, 2022 8:08 am

      Sunak was told to attend by the MPs who agreed to support him in his coup.

    • Rowland P permalink
      November 7, 2022 10:46 am

      Allegedly as a result of a £400 million bribe from Bill Gates.

  8. johnbillscott permalink
    November 6, 2022 7:23 pm

    U.N. Official Christiana Figueres: Global Warming Agenda Is Really About Destroying Capitalism. Fact Check: TRUE
    9/1/2019
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    Posted Feb 3, 2017
    by Martin Armstrong

    A shocking statement was made by a United Nations official Christiana Figueres at a news conference in Brussels. Figueres admitted that the Global Warming conspiracy set by the U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, of which she is the executive secretary, has a goal not of environmental activists to save the world from ecological calamity, but to destroy capitalism. She said very casually:

    “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution.”

    She even restated that goal ensuring it was not a mistake: “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

    I was invited to a major political dinner in Washington with the former Chairman of Temple University since I advised the University with respect to its portfolio. We were seated at one of those round tables with ten people. Because we were invited from a university, they placed us with the heads of the various environmental groups. They assumed they were in friendly company and began speaking freely. Dick Fox, my friend and Chairman of Temple, began to lead them on to get the truth behind their movement. Low and behold, they too admitted it was not about the environment, but to reduce population growth. Dick then asked them, “Whose grandchild are we trying to prevent from being born? Your’s or mine?”

    All of these movements seem to have a hidden agenda that the press helps to misrepresent all the time. One must wonder, at what point will the press realize they are destroying their own future?
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    Sources:
    http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/global-warming-is-about-destroying-capitalism
    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-03/un-official-admits-global-warming-agenda-really-about-destroying-capitalism

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    • Broadlands permalink
      November 6, 2022 8:56 pm

      And now little Greta Thunberg, the climate puppet, is on board with that agenda.

      • It doesn't add up... permalink
        November 6, 2022 9:09 pm

        Perhaps a saving grace is thatvshe admits to having emotional difficulties forming relationships, so is unlikely to have grandchildren.

    • Micky R permalink
      November 6, 2022 10:30 pm

      I can find several websites that refer to Christiana Figueres’ utterings, but what I can’t find is a definitive source. If she made her declaration re: destroying capitalism at a news conference then would not something so important be published by whoever attended the news conference? i.e. a “first person account” from a journalist?

      • Stuart Hamish permalink
        November 7, 2022 12:37 am

        Has Figueres ever denied the declaration ?….

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        November 7, 2022 11:06 am

        I had it bookmarked for years. It was a UN website. Today when I hit the bookmark it came up 404 – page does not exist. Of course not. /s

      • eastdevonoldie permalink
        November 7, 2022 11:12 am

        The United Nations has been one of the organizations leading the manmade climate change push. The paragraph below, from the February 10, 2015 Investor’s Business Daily article “U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare” seems to state the goal clearly.
        Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism. “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.

      • Micky R permalink
        November 7, 2022 8:49 pm

        ” I had it bookmarked for years. It was a UN website. Today when I hit the bookmark it came up 404 – page does not exist. Of course not. /s ”

        Might be stored on the “Wayback Machine” , can you please post the defunct link?

        Figueres’ comments are referred to in several books, including “Hubris: The Troubling Science, Economics and Politics of Climate Change” by Michael Hart which states that the comments were made by Figueres on Feb 3rd 2015 at the UN Regional Information Centre for Europe

      • Micky R permalink
        November 7, 2022 8:59 pm

        Youtube has several videos from Feb 3rd 2015 with Figueres , I used the following search criteria: “figueres” UN Regional Information Centre for Europe “february” “3rd” “2015”

  9. Gamecock permalink
    November 6, 2022 10:01 pm

    ‘This will come as a bit of a blow to the European car industry, which under the orders of governments notionally committed to the same cause as Thunberg is switching from the internal combustion engine to power from batteries.’

    Nah. They are just moving ICE production offshore. Off continent. Europe dies. They choose not to die with Europe.

  10. Cheshire Red permalink
    November 6, 2022 10:33 pm

    In all seriousness there ought to be a legal challenge to Miliband and Labour. National level supplies of reliable energy are too important to be gifted to a single person to treat as their own ideological policy plaything.

    He and they must be made to show their numbers and a viable plan, in particular the engineering behind what would power the UK when the wind and sun aren’t playing ball.

    Opinions aren’t required. We need hard physics and engineering-based proof. That must be non-negotiable.

    In 2006 the then Sir Nicholas Stern gave us the Stern Report, which made the case for renewables, ‘even if you take climate science out of the equation’.

    At that time UK had an old but operational system which reliably generated abundant quantities of affordable energy.

    As a direct result of the Stern Report’s call to action Ed Milibands 2008 Climate Change Act delivered the UK with an unreliable system, weather and foreign supplied (and hence almost entirely out of our direct control) that’s barely providing sufficient energy, but at the highest prices in UK history.

    Both Stern and Miliband (alongside too many others to mention) have a LOT to answer for. Allowing that deranged fool Miliband anywhere near our energy generation again would be a disastrous mistake.

    • Cheshire Red permalink
      November 6, 2022 10:35 pm

      Correction: It was the Stern Review, not ‘report’.

      Different name, same sheete.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      November 7, 2022 8:13 am

      That’s not accurate. Stern made it clear that plant should only be replaced when it was at the end of its life . That – and a fallacious discount rate – was necessary to get renewables and the rest to make economic sense. Milliband and others proceeded to ignore that and demolish power stations.

  11. 4 Eyes permalink
    November 7, 2022 2:39 am

    By not being there the absent leaders can avoid hard questions and blame underlings for unsatisfactory answers. In Oz’s case Albanese is taking a big risk in letting energy minister Bowen field questions on the world stage. Bowen knows with certainty that renewables are the cheapest energy but will not produce even a simple analysis to back up his claim.

    • Graeme No.3 permalink
      November 7, 2022 10:29 am

      4 Eyes:
      Bowen will make sure that Labor (& Albanese) will be a one term government. I don’t that the “opposition” can field anyone better (than Senator Canavan whom they are trying to silence).
      We used to be a first-rate Lucky country run by second-rate politicians and public servants. Standards have slipped.

      • Graeme No.3 permalink
        November 7, 2022 10:30 am

        don’t = doubt.

  12. eastdevonoldie permalink
    November 7, 2022 8:15 am

    How do we send Paul information he may be interested in?

    For example, this:

    https://www.drroyspencer.com/2022/10/50-year-u-s-summer-temperature-trends-all-36-climate-models-are-too-warm/

  13. M Fraser permalink
    November 7, 2022 9:43 am

    Not surprisingly the bbc news site has a link to ‘just stop oil’, impartial NOT!

  14. M Fraser permalink
    November 7, 2022 10:03 am

    I see there have been complaints to the bbc about having Julia H-B on question time! Even worse the response was to note how Fiona Bruce quoted UN figures to counter argue. Putin and Xi must be amused at how we are destroying ‘democracy’ and free speech, notwithstanding the economy!

  15. Gamecock permalink
    November 7, 2022 11:00 am

    ‘You can have green or growth — but not both’

    Sorry Mr Lawson, that is a false dichotomy. You can’t actually have green. Green doesn’t work. You can have death or life, that is the choice.

  16. November 7, 2022 2:42 pm

    There is no way that UK could recover anything like 10% of the Gas In Place (GIP) in the Bowland Shale. That number assumes that all the GIP can be accessed by highly efficient horizontal wells. That is possible in Texas or New Mexico *where the 10% figure comes from), but land access in the UK would allow drilling only in small patches of resource. If we are lucky we could access 10% of the resource and recover 10% of that. Overall 1% of the gas in place and 5 years domestic supply seems achievable.

    • Vernon E permalink
      November 9, 2022 3:55 pm

      But not with the impermiability of our shale as Cuadrilla’s tests clearly demonstrated. Same story as the great expectations for Poland’s shale which came to nought.

  17. November 7, 2022 3:23 pm

    I like to keep things simple: If in life you want to survive, improve and enjoy with a clear conscience then best take note of and obey the THERMODYNAMIC LAWS.

    Waffling on about Emissions is not going get us anywhere.

    • Carnot permalink
      November 8, 2022 9:07 am

      Spot on. The rules of thermodynamics control everything we do. They have been tested to the extreme and are infallible. When oh when are we going to have policies on energy that are formulated by people who understands these laws. No-one in government seems to understand the issues, especially those on the left who still believe in magic money trees.

      • November 8, 2022 11:58 am

        Thanks Carnot. Was it one your ancestors who came up with the Carnot Cycle?
        Sadly I fear we speak to the deaf.
        Cheers
        AlasdairFairbairn

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