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Climate Debate UK

January 22, 2023

By Paul Homewood

 

I have come across this newish organisation, which seems to offer a very level headed analysis of most of the climate and energy topics we come across every day.

You may want to subscribe.

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Demanding Debate on Climate and Energy Policy

New sales of petrol and diesel cars are set to be banned, and ordinary people are being priced off the road. The domestic gas boiler is due to be replaced with expensive and inferior heat pumps, requiring extensive retrofits of our homes at yet more expense. Governments, technocrats and ideologues pursue ever more intrusions into our lives, with plans to control our diets and change our behaviour. Smart meters will ration our energy use through time-of-day pricing, and will switch off our appliances at the push of a button in some far-away office. We are going to be confined to ’15 minute neighbourhoods’. Industries are moving overseas. Businesses are closing down. Prices are rising. Energy policies are failing.

All of this is necessary to protect the planet from climate change, claim advocates of green policies. But dissenting opinion has been excluded from public broadcasters, news media, and civil society. Political parties offer no differences of perspective and no choice to voters. A vast democratic deficit now exists between the public and the Net Zero agenda.

Climate and energy policy has been driven by a political, not scientific consensus. It was formed without any conversation with the public about the scientific facts, evidence, or about the consequences of such a radical change of society and the principles driving it. And it has created bloated national and global bureaucracies, stuffed full of single-minded ideologically driven technocrats who believe it is their role to design your life and lifestyle, regardless of your opinion.

This site will examine every part of the climate debate, from the science and the abuse of science, through to the policy failures that are undermining our economies and changing our lives without our consent. This will help you, to read and make up your own mind about whether green utopia is for you, or whether you would rather that democracy and debate, not shrill and empty virtue signalling about a ‘climate crisis’, drive policymaking.

https://climatedebate.co.uk/

47 Comments
  1. Douglas Dragonfly permalink
    January 22, 2023 2:16 pm

    “Cooking with gas ‘worse for your health than living in a polluted city’ | The Independent” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/pollution-gas-stove-cooking-b2266571.html
    The Government are wrong.

  2. Douglas Dragonfly permalink
    January 22, 2023 2:22 pm

    Cooking with gas ‘worse for your health than living in a polluted city’ | The Independent” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/pollution-gas-stove-cooking-b2266571.html
    My farther is 90 and a half. All my life and more he has happily cooked on a gas stove.
    The government are wrong.
    And bullies with it.

    • Realist permalink
      January 22, 2023 5:07 pm

      Just look at the number of people well past retirement age who have been doing ALL the things (not only cooking with gas) their entire lives that politicians suddenly decide are “bad for you”.

  3. Patsy Lacey permalink
    January 22, 2023 2:23 pm

    Have just seen a discussion between Richard Tice and a member of Climate Debate UK. It was a very reasoned logical conversation pointing out the sheer lunacy of net zero. I googled the organisation with no result. It’s probably my error but would appreciate comments.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      January 22, 2023 2:55 pm

      Yes. I was concerned it was an agit-prop org. We’ll see…

      • benpile permalink
        January 22, 2023 6:53 pm

        It’s me (Ben Pile), and Ed Rennie, formerly of Labour Leave, with a few others coming on board, TBA. When it’s more fully functional, the website will also be crowd-sourced, and completely navigable by subject, covering the full range of every argument. However, it’s early days, and a lot of work.

        Many thanks to Paul for the link.

      • David Wojick permalink
        January 23, 2023 12:24 am

        The structure of complex arguments is my field, Ben. Happy to help.

    • Nigel Sherratt permalink
      January 22, 2023 3:33 pm

      If you really did use Google that probably was your error. Try DuckDuckGo perhaps?

      Doonesbury: “Don’t be Google”?. ‘Perfect! Sounds ethical but doesn’t overpromise!’.

      https://searchengineland.com/doonesbury-comic-need-company-slogan-dont-google-193008

    • Realist permalink
      January 22, 2023 4:08 pm

      You do of course know that Google censors searches. Try the other search engines.
      >>googled the organisation

      • johnbillscott permalink
        January 22, 2023 5:20 pm

        IPCC stated/bragged that they have an agreement with Google to give automatic preference to UN propaganda.

  4. Chaswarnertoo permalink
    January 22, 2023 3:24 pm

    Of course China isn’t ‘green’. They’re laughing at the stupid round eyes.

  5. Douglas Dragonfly permalink
    January 22, 2023 3:55 pm

    The truth is we have entirely the wrong people in government, regardless of which colour rosette they wear at election time.
    Watch “Neil Oliver ‘…it’s a racket!’” on YouTube

    • Jack Broughton permalink
      January 23, 2023 7:05 pm

      Watched Neil Oliver’s show live, fortunately it seems. What happened to the link???

      • January 23, 2023 7:37 pm

        Censored probably by the Google STASI. Dr Campbell does a wonderful job looking at Covid, vax deaths etc while dealing with the censorship by good facial expression and ironic delivery.

  6. Mewswithaview permalink
    January 22, 2023 3:59 pm

    Get ready for the brave new world. This is from Irelands electricity Distribution System Operator (DSO).

    • mikewaite permalink
      January 22, 2023 4:48 pm

      I read the replies to your link and one surprised me by saying:
      -“In India, they are already using Thorium reactors “-
      Really? Does anyone know where and when were they installed ?.
      If the information is correct why are we still impoverishing our own families to send aid/ money to a country that seems technologically well advanced already?

      • Ray Sanders permalink
        January 22, 2023 7:21 pm

        Hi Mike, in answer to your first question, here is the “go to” source for all power issues nuclear
        https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Indian-test-reactor-reaches-operation-landmark#:~:text=The%20test%20reactor%2C%20which%20has,been%20limited%20to%2032%20MWt.&text=FBTR%20is%20one%20of%20two,Research%20(IGCAR)%20at%20Kalpakkam.”
        So, no, they do not have an operating Thorium fuelled reactor yet.
        Regarding the second point – our government must be criminally insane to be funding such states like India and even China but we do. Madness.

      • Mewswithaview permalink
        January 22, 2023 7:25 pm

        There is a lot of magic thinking going on grasping solutions that are not technically or economically viable that can be summed up as hooked on hopium. People have seen the recent press releases about fusion and assume a plant will be operational in 5 years, same with Thorium, the confuse the press release heading with reality.

        Most people in Ireland don’t realise there is a rapid energy crunch approaching by the end of the decade. The engineers know it, the commissioner for regulation of utilities knows it, the grid regulator Eirgrid knows it. They have warned the ministers, however the current minister for energy, Ryan, is from the Green party, he does everything to stall extraction of oil and gas which pushing wind and solar, batteries and hydrogen.

        In the meantime the reserve generation capacity is being shutdown and due to be phased out and by the end of the decade all Irelands gas consumption will come via the Moffat line via Scotland (i.e North sea – UK + Norway + LNG). Ireland does not has gas storage facilities, the Kinsale field was shutdown a few years ago, The Greens absolutely are stalling building of LNG terminals.

        There was a two week cold spell before Christmas, renewables completely failed, and electricity demand hit record demand in that same period. A combination of gas and demand reduction measures (ie. kick companies off to run on own diesel generators) + very expensive imports ensured there was no blackouts. Ireland will not have sufficient gas by the end of the decade to meet demand and the reserve capacity of plants like Tarbert (oil) and Moneypoint (currently coal, being converted to oil) will be gone.

      • Stuart Brown permalink
        January 22, 2023 7:29 pm

        Well, sort of. India is somewhat short of uranium, and the capability to enrich it to concentrate the U235 needed for traditional pressurised water reactors. So they seem to be doing all sorts of interesting things, and have been doing for a long time:
        https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/india.aspx

    • It doesn't add up... permalink
      January 23, 2023 2:11 pm

      So it’s also a good time to run the washing machine … and the tumble dryer.

  7. January 22, 2023 4:11 pm

    I need to understand “who” Climate Debate UK people are………struggling so far.

    • Tones permalink
      January 22, 2023 4:33 pm

      Agree, I haven’t found any info either.

    • Ian Johnson permalink
      January 22, 2023 5:28 pm

      Found then straightaway on Bing. https://climatedebate.co.uk/

      • January 22, 2023 6:19 pm

        Not what I am driving at; saw their site on DDG – who is behind “them”….anonymity on a website, however well orientated towards an honest debate of information, is not the best advert at first sight. I am willing to be convinced, happily.

    • benpile permalink
      January 22, 2023 7:16 pm

      One of the founders — I am the other one — just went on national TV, as Paul indicated. It’s hardly a secret.

      • January 22, 2023 9:23 pm

        Got that and your comment above; I am firmly of your persuasion, understand the website is “early days”; I hope the existence of trolls and others on social media which I do not do, as well as Desmog will not deter you both from pressing ahead, never be afraid to state who you are, your sources and links to other websites of a like mind with ethically accurate information sources proudly stated ( Tony Heller springs to mind, loads of others “are available”, don’t think you need any help there ).

        My beef with the AWG/CC despots is the lack of rigour, total self serving garbage a la Gore and Mann and others who think Attenborough is some kind of deity…..etc etc etc. Wish you every success and I will sign up.

    • Ray Sanders permalink
      January 22, 2023 7:29 pm

      Try here https://www.desmog.com/ben-pile/

  8. Fouchet permalink
    January 22, 2023 4:58 pm

    Only }Poutine van délivrer us from this madness ‘
    Peace be upon him.

  9. Realist permalink
    January 22, 2023 5:01 pm

    It will be interesting to see whether subscribing to Climate Debate UK results in an actual mailing list or “visit website” mails from “no-reply” addresses.

  10. January 22, 2023 5:20 pm

    Reblogged this on anotherbirdblog.

  11. johnbillscott permalink
    January 22, 2023 5:36 pm

    IPCC stated/bragged that they have an agreement with Google to give automatic preference to UN propaganda.

  12. Rationalist permalink
    January 22, 2023 6:46 pm

    Their website has a heading “About” which has FAQ. The fourth of these is titled “So are you funded by big oil companies?”. They explain they are crowd-funded without naming names, as climate activists are well known to harass any individuals brave enough to identify themselves, whilst being very coy about their own funding.

    • benpile permalink
      January 22, 2023 7:20 pm

      Nothing ‘coy’ about it: it states clearly that we’re not telling you. Take it or leave it. If you like the articles, videos, and soon, livesteams and podcasts, please be one of the anonymous donors that supports the project.

      • DAVID TALLBOYS permalink
        January 23, 2023 7:40 am

        Ben, I have a small site : Just Stop Net Zero
        https://www.juststopnetzero.com/

        Good luck with your site.

      • The Informed Consumer permalink
        January 23, 2023 8:21 am

        Ben and David.

        The more the merrier!

  13. MrGrimNasty permalink
    January 22, 2023 9:54 pm

    A bit tetchy tonight!
    Some misunderstandings.
    Anyway, good to see someone making the effort to push back.

    They’re warming up 3 coal stations for Monday evening, what we need is a major power outage, sadly, no doubt, we’ll just get through again and nothing will change.

    • Douglas Dragonfly permalink
      January 22, 2023 11:51 pm

      ‘With a high pressure weather system with associated light winds likely to dominate for a few more days, National Grid’s electricity system operator (ESO) said early on Sunday it had asked Drax to start “warming” two of its coal units at its North Yorkshire site and EDF to do the same for one at its West Burton plant in Nottinghamshire to ensure supplies on Monday.’
      “Coal power stations fired up and customers paid to cut energy use in UK cold snap | Energy industry | The Guardian” https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/22/coal-fired-power-stations-restarted-again-as-uk-cold-snap-bites

  14. Gamecock permalink
    January 22, 2023 11:57 pm

    ‘Governments, technocrats and ideologues pursue ever more intrusions into our lives, with plans to control our diets and change our behaviour. Smart meters will ration our energy use through time-of-day pricing, and will switch off our appliances at the push of a button in some far-away office.’

    It’s a fun game for the elites. Why play Cities: Skylines when you can play with real cities?

  15. Brian permalink
    January 23, 2023 8:04 am

    If 10% of the population pay the bulk of taxes in the UK and over half the households receive more in State Benefits than they pay in taxes……..where will the money come from to fund the Green Transition?
    We continue to export manufacturing of Green technologies to China, and AI will remove many jobs in the future. So could the answer be to all work in the Public Sector?

  16. 2hmp permalink
    January 23, 2023 8:35 am

    This is a good piece from Climate Debate which I sent to my MP who expressed concern at the info. https://youtu.be/jjNVsyGxow0

  17. Kelland Hutchence permalink
    January 23, 2023 8:59 am

    Thank you – I’ve subscribed. It seems an excellent site, especially to provide evidence to those who parrot warmest theories in the press. It’s always a pleasure to be able to shoot them down in flames!

    • Realist permalink
      January 23, 2023 11:51 am

      I subscribed as well. The “confirm” mail arrived very quickly, but no further mails after I replied to that mail to confirm the subscription to the mailing list. Even if there isn’t any traffic, there ought to be a “Welcome to the list” mail.

  18. MrGrimNasty permalink
    January 23, 2023 9:46 am

    There has been a very disruptive landslip affecting the trains in the south. Until yesterday the BBC just reported it matter of fact. Then yesterday, it, and the Network Rail man went full climate blame mental on the news. There’s no question climate change caused this and everything that will happen in the future!
    130 years ago someone made a very big steep pile of mud and put a rail on top. See about 50 seconds in.

    It was never intended to last this long and it’s a miracle it did.
    We went through this before with railway flooding/collapse, Network Rail abdicating responsibility because climate change, when the cause is inadequate original design, the ravages of time, years of neglect or poorly executed works.

    • January 23, 2023 7:46 pm

      I had the rhythmic call of the sheet piledriver going on until nearly midnight on Saturday as my line has had a landslide.

      My theory is that trees are to blame given that they had none when built and were kept bare during the steam age for obvious reasons. Then when costcutting came along they allowed the trees to grow in cuttings and on embankments – bringing us the infamous leaves on the line problems. I have noticed in the last decade that Network Rail have taken tree cutting more seriously as well as having to run track cleaning trains. If you think about how people call for more trees to be planted to stop rain from flowing from fields into rivers, if the trees cause to ground to become more saturated then you have the conditions for more landslides along railways.

  19. William Bray permalink
    January 25, 2023 5:08 pm

    Anyone seeking information about Climate Debate should go to the website climatedebate.co.uk where you will find all the information you are looking for.

  20. William Bray permalink
    January 25, 2023 6:25 pm

    Gulp. Red faced, I have to point out that Paul Homewood headed this column as “Climate Debate.” So I was teaching Grandma to suck eggs. Ignore my previous words, please, as they were totally superfluous.

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