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What The BBC Forgot To Tell You About Dogger Bank

February 20, 2015

By Paul Homewood

 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-31512089

 

From the BBC:

 

The government has approved plans for what is believed to be one of the world’s largest offshore wind projects.

Dogger Bank Creyke Beck A and B would be built 77 miles (125km) off the Yorkshire coast.

Forewind Ltd said it would consist of 400 wind turbines producing up to 2,400 MW of electricity, enough to power nearly two million homes.

Energy and Climate Change Secretary Ed Davey said the development had the potential to support hundreds of jobs.

Mr Davey said: "Making the most of Britain’s home grown energy is creating jobs and businesses in the UK, getting the best deal for consumers and reducing our reliance on foreign imports.

"Wind power is vital to this plan, with £14.5bn invested since 2010 into an industry which supports 35,400 jobs."

Forewind said it believed the project could generate between 4,000 and 5,000 direct and indirect jobs.

The offshore farm would connect into the national grid at an existing substation at Creyke Beck, near Cottingham, East Yorkshire, the developers said.

The company has already spent £60m on initial surveys and planning.

Construction on the site is expected to start in 2019.

 

For some reason, neither the BBC nor Mr Davey thought to tell us how much this will cost us all in subsidies! So let’s crank the numbers.

 

 

  • Assuming  capacity utilisation of 35%, the turbines will produce 7.35 TWh a year, or about 2% of UK needs. (Not for the first time, the BBC/Davey mislead by quoting how many homes will be supplied, ignoring the fact that two thirds of power is consumed by non-domestic users).
  • The guaranteed strike price to be paid to Dogger Bank will be £140/MWh, based on 2012 prices. This will be the equivalent of about £147 at current prices.
  • Market wholesale prices of electricity are running well below £50/MWh, down to £44 in January.

 

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http://www.catalyst-commercial.co.uk/reports/60/catalyst-business-energy-market-brief-february-2015/

 

  • Taking the more conservative price of £50/MWh, however, the subsidy cost of £97/MWh will total £713 million a year.
  • This strike price, which is inflation linked, will be guaranteed for 15 years, so the total lifetime subsidy will amount to £10.7 billion, all to be paid for by those lucky consumers. This is of course in addition to the value of electricity produced.
  • On top of all this is the unknown cost of connecting all these turbines to the grid.

 

Meanwhile, across in Manchester, Alstom and DF Energy are building a state of the art gas power station at Carrington. Rated at 880 MW, this will produce a similar amount of electricity as Dogger Bank, as and when needed, and with no subsidy whatever.

Welcome to La La Land!

19 Comments
  1. Derek Buxton permalink
    February 20, 2015 12:51 pm

    Who but a lunatic would build a wind farm on Dogger Bank, it must be the most hostile environment in which to try.. Another white elephant that we are going to have to pay through the nose for. When is this crook going to pay for his destruction of our Country and People.

  2. February 20, 2015 1:00 pm

    And I bet that there are some environmentalists out there, saying that wind power is “free”.

  3. Joe Public permalink
    February 20, 2015 1:12 pm

    Very interesting Paul.

    Thanks for highlighting yet another instance of “BBC Not Reporting”.

  4. Scott M permalink
    February 20, 2015 1:22 pm

    Im sure lots of those future subsidies are ending up advertising on BBC, why would you upset your advertiser…….just print what they want..”look at us, we are wonderfully green”

    • February 22, 2015 12:55 am

      The BBC pension fund link ?
      – I wonder if there is direct corruption involved in creating a culture of pro wind within BBC staff, from free green magazines, and festival passes being sent in upwards.

  5. February 20, 2015 1:32 pm

    Saw a price of £ 6 to 8 billion quoted, i.e. £3000/kWe. This is about 6 times a combined cycle plant. Based on the subsidies alone, a nice little earner!

    But we will also have to provide spinning reserve for the variability of the wind power, and replace a lot of transmission cables so the consumer will pay even more for the environmental dream (or should it be nightmare).

    At least no direct fuel costs or emissions so it can look like an environmental marvel.

    I read recently that a German offshore windfarm has never operated and may well be scrapped as offshore transmission etc. are very difficult..

  6. Chilli permalink
    February 20, 2015 2:50 pm

    Paul, another DECC sleight of hand with the ‘2 million homes’ calculation: This is based on the present typical electricity consumption of a UK home : 3.3MWh pa.
    (So 400 turbines x 6MW x 30% capacity x 365 days x 24 hrs / 3.3MWh per home = 1.9M homes)
    But this ignores the 16.5MWh the average home uses on as heating which, we are told, will need to use electric heating in the future. If we Include heating in the calculation it brings it down to only 315,000 homes – and of course,without fossil fuel backup, they would only have power when the wind blows. So in summary: 2 million homes my a*se!

  7. Chilli permalink
    February 20, 2015 3:44 pm

    Another way to look at it:
    Suppose those 2 million homes got their electricity exclusively from this new windfarm: They would only have power for 2 weeks a month on average and would be charged double their existing tariff for the inferior service.

    • February 20, 2015 4:27 pm

      That is my fondest hope—that one day people will be required to use only wind energy and will discover a new “dark ages”.

      • Ben Vorlich permalink
        February 20, 2015 4:55 pm

        It’s the only way they’ll realise that they’ve been conned and by just how much.

  8. Kevin permalink
    February 20, 2015 5:55 pm

    Compare with the proposed Hinckley C Nuclear Power Station.Strike Price £92.50/MWh and producing 3200 MW 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Hmm.

  9. Retired Dave permalink
    February 20, 2015 6:10 pm

    Oh come on you lot – isn’t it a small price to pay to save the planet???!!! /Sarc off

    One of the support boat skippers of that large but much smaller wind farm array off the Thames reckoned that the support vessels were torching a million litres of diesel a month. If that is true (and I have no way of knowing for sure) then imagine the cost of support to maintain turbines in the Dogger Bank where waves can exceed 10 metres.

    I can’t put my hand on it now but GWPF (their search engine is not that friendly) had a report a few months ago that supports Jack Broughton’s comment above that the massive wind farm off the north coast of Germany is not delivering electricity to the shore due to “engineering” difficulties – and this from one of the most advanced and capable engineering countries in the world. Of course it doesn’t mean they have any common-sense but there it is.

  10. February 20, 2015 7:04 pm

    As an ex marine engineer I expect that ONE support vessel will use that amount of diesel per month.

  11. Derek permalink
    February 21, 2015 10:38 pm

    Don’t Alstom and DF energy realise that Mr Miliband has promised to eliminate All fossil fuel generation by 2030, which means the new gas fired plant will have to close in 10 years.

  12. bernard smith permalink
    February 22, 2015 3:45 pm

    Surely the Public should know that the BBC gets a £50,000,000 subsidy from the EU
    to spread ” Global Warming ” Propaganda, why are they allowed to get away with this.
    Bernard Smith.

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