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BBC Links Sea Ice Loss To Sea Level Rise

November 29, 2015

By Paul Homewood  

  

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https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/bbc-links-arctic-sea-ice-loss-to-sea-level-rise/#more-24081

 

Reposted from Tallbloke.

It’s a must read.

 

 

I would add one further comment to Rog’s.

 

Their map shows the retreat of MINIMUM Arctic sea ice extent. Has it not occurred to the idiots at the BBC that the ice refreezes in winter?

21 Comments leave one →
  1. Joe Public permalink
    November 29, 2015 7:32 pm

    “Has it not occurred to the idiots at the BBC that the ice refreezes in winter?”

    I bet Aunty fails to report the concomitant fall in sea level.

  2. November 29, 2015 8:24 pm

    It might have been better not to have pointed this out.
    Let them and the people who don’t know, go on believing it.

  3. 3x2 permalink
    November 29, 2015 9:02 pm

    Nothing coming out of the BBC surprises me. Buy some cheap prospective ‘journalist’ straight out of ‘Arts college’ and get it right on the job of commenting on ‘science’.

    Shocked that said ‘journalist’ can’t follow ‘ice cube in a glass’ level science? They are employed to produce exactly what they are paid to produce just like ‘car workers’ or a million other professions.

  4. November 29, 2015 9:55 pm

    See DMI – Northern Hemisphere Sea Ice extent:

    Don’t let the BBC see it, it would be cruel.

    • November 29, 2015 10:51 pm

      I tried to show this comment at Tallbloke’s but it was not shown.
      I think that the Arctic sea ice extent signal has changed sign for DMI; it is clearly more than 2011 and 2012, now equaling 2013 and 2014.

      • November 30, 2015 8:04 am

        The point is, as far as sea level is concerned, it doesn’t matter what the Arctic sea ice extent does.

    • AndyG55 permalink
      November 30, 2015 8:40 am

      Look at the DMI chart here, as you have posted….

      http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php

      You will see that the current Arctic sea ice level is skirting the -1sd line from the 1979-2000 reference period.

      Now look at where that period is in the AMO

      As you can see, we are currently WELL OUTSIDE the AMO values for that reference period.

      Yet the Arctic sea ice is still ONLY 1SD FROM THAT MEAN

      It seems that Arctic sea ice is doing AMAZINGLY WELL.

      (Not good for the people living up there though)

    • AndyG55 permalink
      November 30, 2015 8:44 am

      Oh, and Andres..

      I don’t know what goes wrong, but posting a url to the actual chart often ends up giving something well out of date… like yours is.

      You have to either screen dump and post a .jpg, or just post a link to the actual page.

  5. CheshireRed permalink
    November 29, 2015 10:19 pm

    Climate propaganda. It’s what they do.

  6. tom0mason permalink
    November 30, 2015 2:13 am

    So even with the “Hottest Year Ever©” flags still flapping furiously in the chilly wind, and these BBC reports showing the polar caps vanishing, why are so many countries buying or building more icebreaker?
    See
    http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg552/images/20140626%20Major%20Icebreaker%20Chart.pdf (2.3 MB pdf)
    and
    http://www.winmos.eu/www/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Subactivity-2.1-final-report.pdf
    (2.0MB pdf)

    Makes me wonder …

  7. November 30, 2015 10:17 am

    #‎BBCclimateScienceFail‬
    Plenty of ‪#‎BBCclimatePropaganda‬, but, where’s the BBC’s quality control ?

    It’s the BBC Top Management who need to be held accountable.

  8. November 30, 2015 10:34 am

    Paul, I don’t think they are comparing a summer minimum with the median of winter maxes.
    I think they are probably comparing the 2012 (cos that with the MINIMUM year) with the median of the post 79 era.
    This is a trick of course cos satellites existed before 79, but 79 was a convenient peak.
    They could probably use the 1940’s era and find that 2015 has a larger extent than that era.

  9. Dorian permalink
    November 30, 2015 10:38 am

    In actuality, floating sea ice when it melts LOWERS sea-level. Float ice is less dense than water!

  10. November 30, 2015 1:24 pm

    It is not about science, It is not about truth. It is about an agenda of control.

  11. Stonyground permalink
    November 30, 2015 3:11 pm

    Regarding complaints addressed to the BBC, here is a response from the beeb on an entirely unrelated matter, Radio 4’s tedious “Thought for the Day”.

    http://www.platitudes.org.uk/platblog/comments.php?y=15&m=11&entry=entry151129-064930

    The thing to note is that the BBC will say pretty much anything to avoid admitting to being in the wrong or having committed any kind of error.

  12. A C Osborn permalink
    November 30, 2015 5:02 pm

    Today the BBC News Channel were talking about the Sea Temps increasing by up to 5 degrees C by mid centurry.
    Have they any idea how much energy it would take to raise Sea temps that much.
    They were also talking about the Cost of “not doing anything” and were talking about Trillions of Dollars due to Climate Change and yet no one has been able to equate climate change to a single dollar, of course they can to the weather. But we all know that the weather is not climate change.

  13. November 30, 2015 5:18 pm

    What annoys me is that much of the video footage the BBC are showing along side the conference coverage is irrelevant and much of it is downright misleading, but there is nobody to challenge it.

    • Matthew permalink
      November 30, 2015 6:19 pm

      I agree it is very frustrating to listen and watch. Pure unchallenged green propaganda.

  14. manicbeancounter permalink
    November 30, 2015 10:00 pm

    As of 9.30pm, the BBC have completely changed the text. It is still sub-headed “Arctic sea ice melt“, but the text now emphasizes polar ice cap melt as the cause of sea level rise. The BBC does not mention warming as the other other alleged major cause, but the IPCC does. They mention acceleration of the rate of rise, but do not mention that the step change in sea level rise was in the change-over from tide gauges to satellites. They still maintain the error in the revised comment.

    Arctic sea ice is also shrinking because of higher temperatures, though it makes little contribution to raised sea levels.

    • November 30, 2015 10:46 pm

      Interesting.
      I sent a complaint in which I pointed out that that melting arctic sea ice made no difference to sea level. I wonder if this partially in response to that and complaints made by others.
      However, I also said that the average rate of sea level rise hadn’t change significantly since 1900. They don’t seem to have reacted to that. I hope someone kept a copy of the old page.

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