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Greta Issues Latest Demands

July 24, 2020
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By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Robin Guenier

 

Greta and her chums have issued their latest demands:

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/16/pandemic-shows-climate-has-never-been-treated-as-crisis-say-scientists

 

 

The letter to EU leaders comes from Greta and three other school strike leaders from Belgium and Germany, and contains the usual nonsense:

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https://climateemergencyeu.org/#letter

But perhaps what is most is most significant is that it is only addressed to EU leaders, and no other countries. The EU  accounts for less than a fifth of worldwide emissions, so even eliminating emissions completely would only have a negligible effect.

The letter refers to the Paris Agreement:

When you signed the Paris Agreement the EU nations committed to leading the way. The EU has the economic and political possibility to do so, therefore it is our moral responsibility. And now you need to actually deliver on your promises.

In fact the EU is delivering on its pledge to cut emissions. The reality is that most of the rest of the world got away without any cuts at all, as the letter admits:

If all countries were to actually go through with the emission reductions they have set as goals, we would still be heading for a catastrophic global temperature rise of at least 3-4°C

Obviously “leading the way” made no difference at all.

 

As the list of demands makes clear, this all goes well beyond cutting down on fossil fuels and replacement with renewables:

Net zero emissions by 2050 for the EU – as well as for other financially fortunate parts of the world – equals surrender. This target is based on a carbon budget that only gives a 50% percent chance of limiting the global heating below 1.5°C. That is just a statistical flip of a coin which doesn’t even include some of the key factors, such as the global aspect of equity, most tipping points and feedback loops, as well as already built in additional warming hidden by toxic air pollution. So in reality it is much less than a 50% chance…..

The world’s planned fossil fuel production by the year 2030 accounts for 120% more than what would be consistent with the 1.5° target. It just doesn’t add up.
When you read the IPCC SR1.5 Report and the UNEP Production Gap Report, as well as what you have actually signed up for in the Paris Agreement, even a child can see that the climate and ecological crisis cannot be solved within today’s system.

What Greta and her pals want is to completely replace the West’s economic system:

Of course we welcome sustainable investments and policies, but you must not for one second believe that ​what you have discussed so far will be even close to enough. We need to face the full picture. We are facing an existential crisis, and this is a crisis that we can not buy, build, or invest our way out of. Aiming to ‘recover’ an economic system that inherently fuels the climate crisis in order to finance climate action is just as absurd as it sounds. Our current system is not ‘broken’ – the system is doing exactly what it’s supposed and designed to be doing. It can no longer be ‘fixed’. We need a new system.

The letter is signed by the usual collection of hypocrites and charlatans. Names like Leo di Caprio, Emma Thompson, Michael Mann and Hans Joachim Schellnhuber tell you all you need to know.

One of the Greta’s co-writers, Luisa Neubauer, 24, a central figure in Germany’s school strikes movement, said young people were becoming increasingly frustrated with politicians.

“We are asking our leaders to take care of the most fundamental thing: the safety of us, the safety of people around the world, the safety of our futures,” Neubauer said. “It is worrying on a democratic level when you ask for such substantial things, which seem so obvious, and yet you see how leaders are widely ignoring it, or not considering it to be as important as other things.”

She must have a strange idea of democracy, if she thinks governments should ignore the votes of millions, and instead kowtow to a tiny group of eco-loons!

43 Comments
  1. Philip Mulholland permalink
    July 24, 2020 11:52 am

    This has never ever been about science.

  2. cajwbroomhill permalink
    July 24, 2020 12:10 pm

    Who is paying for this nonsense to be continually broadcast to a gullible public, including so many Western opinion formers, media outlets and politicians, all with no common sense and/or corrupted?

    • Geoff B permalink
      July 24, 2020 12:18 pm

      she got one million euros from Gulbenkian for her campaigns (its like a Portuguese Nobel prize)..not as daft as she seems!!!!

      • It doesn't add up... permalink
        July 24, 2020 12:41 pm

        Oil money,…

      • MrGrimNasty permalink
        July 24, 2020 9:12 pm

        It’s just free publicity/propaganda – it’s the inaugural prize i.e. just made up, Grating is ‘giving it away’, spending it on what the Goobers were going to spend it on anyway – join the dots……..

      • Duker permalink
        July 25, 2020 12:26 am

        The Calouste Gulbenkian fortune
        ” He played a major role in making the petroleum reserves of the Middle East available to Western development and is credited with being the first person to exploit Iraqi oil”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calouste_Gulbenkian
        The Rockefellers of the middle east for their very early involvement in the oil industry

  3. July 24, 2020 12:27 pm

    More fun facts about Greta’s pals here, especially in the comments.
    https://cliscep.com/2020/07/22/greta-thunbergs-fan-club/
    The two Belgian girls can’t stand each other. The Flemish one made an appearance at the 2019 Pukkelpop music festival attempting to engage the audience to call attention to the climate issues. This call angered some festival goers who harassed her group, hurled bottles of urine at her. Meanwhile the French one complains she does the work while the other one gets the fame. Sounds like an Enid Blyton thriller “Five on a Hippy Commune.”

    • Mike Jackson permalink
      July 24, 2020 4:11 pm

      Best laugh I’ve had all day, Geoff! Has anybody yet broken the news to them about the new EU Budget?

      Personally I draw the line at peeing on people whether directly or at second hand but just maybe someone might explain to that “child” just why she is getting quite so far up people’s noses.

    • July 25, 2020 11:58 am

      Teenage girls. I remember that time of self-absorption and on-going jealousies. In my day, we just read a few movie magazines and waited to grow up. Most of us did grow up and embraced adulthood. Alas, some of the ’60’s generation did not and now they have grandchildren……likely Greta is one.

  4. Dan permalink
    July 24, 2020 12:41 pm

    They are all hypocrites. The thunbergs prior letter demanded that fossil fuel use is need not by 2050 but by 2025 if memory serves (maybe 2030).

    Yet these people are still benefiting and using
    Steel
    Concrete and cement
    Petrochemicald and fuel derivatives
    Pharmaceuticals
    Fertilizers
    And a whole host of other fossil fuels and fueled products. .
    Have they given them up, or is that somebody’s else’s problem?

    • Broadlands permalink
      July 24, 2020 1:12 pm

      With concrete, cement and asphalt completely gone there will be nothing for all those PV vehicles (even bicycles) to drive on or land on. No way to repair roads and runways much less build new ones. Somebody else’s problem.

  5. CheshireRed permalink
    July 24, 2020 12:59 pm

    The very fact they use children to appeal to the kids says it all. This is (and always has been) an emotional bandwagon. Facts, evidence and rational debate have never been welcome, or needed, while they can move political mountains by invoking the power of a tearful little girl.

    • Kenneth Burnley permalink
      July 24, 2020 6:02 pm

      Greta may appeal to some young girls, but my grandsons, aged 7 to 14, see her as a ‘total embarrassment’ who should just ‘shut up’ as she ‘hasn’t a clue what she’s talking about’! I suspect most boys feel the same about her.

  6. Broadlands permalink
    July 24, 2020 1:04 pm

    “…the changes may seem very unrealistic”… Indeed they do! Why have these “activists” (and those they try to persuade) not seen very clearly that the rapid reductions of carbon fuel emissions that were the direct result of the covid-19 lockdown (and not legislation) created massive social and economic breakdowns? How can these people urge this drastic and crisis-driven process to go forward and expect a different result? How long do they think it would take for the world to accede to their demands before zero emissions were reached without starvation for millions? These people are crazy with their totally unrealistic demands to solve a ‘crisis’ of their own making.

  7. Phoenix44 permalink
    July 24, 2020 1:22 pm

    So they demand that we “safeguard and protect democracy” by immediately making huge changes to our societies and economies at the behest of a handful of mad zealots. They are just stupid, as absurd as those crazy Old Testament prophets.

    • Up2snuff permalink
      July 24, 2020 7:32 pm

      Oi! Those ‘crazy Old Testament prophets’ were proved right. This Greta thing has another sort of ‘spirit’ behind it and it is very far from Holy.

    • July 25, 2020 4:08 pm

      They’re just shaking the tree to see what they can get to fall out. Anything is better than nothing from their POV.

  8. July 24, 2020 1:46 pm

    “But perhaps what is most is most significant is that it is only addressed to EU leaders, and no other countries”

    The other significant thing is the Cardimona Principle. Cardimona is a frequent contributer to the catallaxyfiles.com blog in Australia where he once had a brilliant answer to climatistas whining about people not taking climate seriously. Pointing to the covid he wrote calmly, that when credible serious problems come along people do take it seriously and so what the climatistas are really whining about is that their cause is not as serious as they thought it was.

  9. MrGrimNasty permalink
    July 24, 2020 1:46 pm

    Interesting aside, Nick Miller BBC weatherman mentioned the ‘record’ heatwave last July, but then said that the last July without somewhere in the UK reaching 30C was 2011, and it currently seems unlikely July 2020 will reach 30C.

    Climatologically meaningless of course, but it does show how the weather does indeed tend to balance itself out, as the incredibly warm start to this year is gradually being nibbled away. Although some of the longer term forecasts are predicting some pleasantly warmer spells, nowhere is predicting a heatwave in August yet either.

  10. jack broughton permalink
    July 24, 2020 1:52 pm

    Two fundamental failures in this diatribe:
    1. The EU is a minor emitter of CO2 in world terms so further reductions there are pointelss: and,
    2. CO2 has no demonstrably-measurable effect on climate (i.e. temperature), yet they believe absolutely in models that are at best crude approximations of reality.

  11. Mad Mike permalink
    July 24, 2020 1:59 pm

    Why are we even discussing this? Their true agenda is out there now and those with the bucks will see this for the folly it is and how it will detract from their personal fortune which will more important to them that supporting this hormonally challenged group of teenagers. They are getting more desperate daily that we are just not behaving the way we should. (Stamps her foot hard) She’s told us the truth so why aren’t you all reacting the way we logically should. It can’t be long before Greta is assessed by the shrinks as she suffers burnout.

    Will the BBC report on her demands? Don’t bother answering that.

  12. Vernon E permalink
    July 24, 2020 2:03 pm

    Guido yesterday reported similarly about Extinction Rebellion under its new name turning against Greenpeace and vandalising its offices “for not doing enough”. Meanwhile, in the USA Trump is using the federal police to try to wrest control of its cities back from so – called BLM protestors. As he said as an aside in his speech “these are not protestors, they are anarchists”. How right he is. All these protests have been hi-jacked by a world-wide, deep-rooted, very well financed and organised anti capitalist and anti-western movement. Just look at the videos – all the same appearances, many identical professionally produced protest placards etc. Until somebody gets to who is behind it all (no doubt some Russia but its more sinister than that in its entirety) its going to get much, much worse. Meanwhile, the useful idiots (St Greta et al) capture the headlines.

  13. Alexander Gwynn permalink
    July 24, 2020 2:27 pm

    Dear god..I despair at XRs etc naivety…they need to listen Michael Shellenberger

  14. terryfwall permalink
    July 24, 2020 2:32 pm

    Today’s BBC News Daily email gives its approval under the “From Elsewhere” section to the following disaster scenario written by someone who has clearly been obsessed with the issue from an early age, taking an ecology degree and reporting on climate change ever since. How can an allegedly fair and impartial public broadcaster give its stamp of approval to anything so clearly one-sided and biased?

    https://slate.com/technology/2020/07/climate-change-deaths-japan-2018-heat-wave.html?xtor=ES-208-%5B34332_NEWS_NLB_ACT_WK30_Fri_24_jul%5D-20200724-%5BSlate%5D [https://compote.slate.com/images/08d5751e-46ed-487f-8564-99874fca56af.jpeg?width=780&height=520&rect=5326×3551&offset=0x258] The first undeniable climate change deaths: Japan’s 2018 heat wave. Mount Fuji. Daniel Merino. July 23, 2018, was a day unlike any seen before in Japan. It was the peak of a weekslong heat wave that smashed previous temperature records across the historically … slate.com

    I get an email each week from the US “Skeptics Society”. It is admirably balanced in its comments and interviews on almost all subjects despite having some clear views on many beliefs. The one case where it fails is, of course, the climate, where it reserves its scepticism for those they call by the contemptuous term “deniers”. The obvious irony – that in all other topics the true believers could equally well use the same term to describe them – is clearly lost on them.

    A scientific theory such as evolution is widely accepted as being the closest to the truth that we can get at present, and yet if someone sincerely doubts it and wishes to advance another hypothesis, whether it be a religion or alternative science, they are debated intelligently and not dismissed with contempt. Only those who hold beliefs that they wish to adhere to regardless of any counter-argument do this. Do they not understand that they weaken or destroy their argument as a result?

    Terry Wall

    ________________________________

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      July 24, 2020 3:52 pm

      Ah yes, the never seen before temperatures of the Japanese 2018 heatwave, at 41.1C it was 0.1C higher than the previous official record, 41.0C in 2013, which beat the 40.9C record of 2007.

      Of course climate change is definitely a factor (!) in Japanese heatwaves, but urbanization is too. I think it would be reasonable to say most of the recent records have been assisted by land use change and increasing waste heat from air con in a country like Japan – 91% of households in 2016 – the world’s leader! (e.g. Brazil has only 16%)

      ***https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/joc.3951***

      And of course cold kills substantial numbers most years in Japan too.

      https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/03/national/science-health/heatstroke-star-japan-hypothermia-deadlier-experts-say/

  15. Thomas Carr permalink
    July 24, 2020 2:52 pm

    Never mind the moral imperatives . As soon as the costs start to sink home the balloon will collapse on the spike of economic reality. It’s the costs which will condemn you, Greta.

  16. Jackington permalink
    July 24, 2020 3:10 pm

    They are questioning why the reaction to corvid – 19 has been so strong and yet the reaction to climate change/global warming has been so weak. The reason of course is the former is fact and the latter is fantasy – they just don’t get it, do they?

  17. Nancy & John Hultquist permalink
    July 24, 2020 3:16 pm

    … additional warming hidden by toxic air pollution.

    Air is much cleaner than when I was Greta’s age:

    UK: https://www.history.com/news/the-killer-fog-that-blanketed-london-60-years-ago

    USA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Donora_smog

    … and I have no idea how one hides warming.

    • July 25, 2020 11:47 am

      As a child I remember trips to Pittsburgh to shop or to Butler where my grandmother Gibson lived. The steel mills were going full blast. Mother remarked on the difficulty of getting the collars of my father’s and two brothers’ white shirts clean.

      Due to the bee hive coke ovens and gob piles in the Morgantown area, we never left porch furniture out as it would have a film of soot on it.

      BTW, neither my late parents who lived to age 88 and almost 95 nor my brothers or myself have even had lung problems. None of us smoked either…….

  18. mervhob permalink
    July 24, 2020 4:04 pm

    There is precious little real science regarding the use of climate modelling. As is obvious from the data, both weather and climate are aspects of a non-linear physical system. Only a very poor ‘scientist’ would argue that replacing the physical performance of the system with an incomplete ‘approximation’ based on linear algebra can allow the forward development of the system to be predicted. Exactly the same mathematical methods underly the prediction of the weather and as we all understand, divergence occurs over a very few days and the model must be re-booted.
    Let us be absolutely clear, linear algebra is a ‘closed’ mathematical system absolutely dependent on the observance of very strict physical and algebraic boundary conditions. It can only be strictly used on systems were there is no other outcome possible other than that predicted by the algorithms used. Therefore, its use on physical systems is limited by the necessary divergence of the model with time from the performance of a complete physical system.
    This is not understood by many of those who cry, ‘follow the science!’ – you cannot follow something which you do not understand the limitations of, unless you are a complete fool.
    I know of no mathematical method that allows the degree of ‘certainty’ proposed by the climate modellers – there are simply too many variables for an accurate computable model to be established and models based on the few variables used cannot be trusted. Let me give an example – a firm prediction made by some of the modellers was that ‘summer nights would be much warmer’ because of the increase in CO2.
    In actual fact, the rate of change of temperature once the Sun has disappeared, assuming a dry atmosphere, has not changed. Those of us who remember the hot summer nights of the late 1950s know that it was also related to high humidity as do those that have spent time in the tropics or the desert. This ignorance of a simple derivative and its importance, casts serious doubts on the scientific credentials of the ‘keytappers’ which probably stems from simple ignorance.
    As a historian of science, I am well aware that the history of that subject is littered with the dry bones of mathematical theories of physics that turned out to have little or no basis in fact on further investigation. Claudius Ptolemy’s theory of the motions of the planets, using epicycles, equants and deferents can predict the position of the planets with the same accuracy as the Newtonian gravitational theory if the modern orbital constants are used – should we therefore abandon Newton and return to Ptolemy? – of course not, our physical understanding of the structure of the system has vastly improved since that time.
    But the story of Ptolemy has one awful warning – Ptolemy did engage in some ‘cooking of the books’ in order to improve the fit of historical data with his theory. The avoidance of any attempt to fit the historical record of the Medieval Optimum and the Mini Ice Age into the model and explain their occurrence, carries a similar, suspicious odour.
    There is little doubt that we need to reform some aspects of human behaviour which are causing long lasting damage to the eco-systems of the planet but climate change is not one of them. There are some delightful non-linear equations that describe the likely outcome devised by Lotka and Volterra. These describe the competition between two animal populations, ‘Foxes and Rabbits’. The complete dominance of either population leads to economic collapse and disaster. I suggest that Saint Greta improves her education with some real mathematical science.

    • July 25, 2020 11:52 am

      One of the Climategate “scientists” based a paper on dendrochronology from 25 trees of a data base of 250 from the Yamal Peninsula in Russia. First of all, dendrochronology is not a method to be used for C02 indication as there is just too much “noise” AND 25 trees cherry-picked from a group of 250 does not a scientific study make.

  19. July 24, 2020 5:39 pm

    Just looked at the list of “scientists” signatures at the bottom of the letter. They all seem to be Scientists for Future with no other qualification. Is this some new degree I have missed?

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      July 24, 2020 6:46 pm

      Yes, they appear to be activists, simply members of another climate sect:-

      https://www.scientists4future.org/

      I doubt many are scientists with really relevant qualifications.

      • dennisambler permalink
        July 24, 2020 10:38 pm

        I suspect many of these will be millennials, released from places like Potsdam and UEA, to propagate the new message. It’s the Midwych Cuckoo strategy.

  20. MrGrimNasty permalink
    July 24, 2020 6:25 pm

    How long before Britannica gets a makeover by the climate Stasi?

    https://www.britannica.com/place/London/Climate

    Warming since 1919 notably in Autumn, lying snow always rare, night time UHI averaging 1.9 °C (as much as 9 °C under certain conditions), air cleaner, water cleaner, major factors besides sea level rise cause flooding threat………

  21. Peter permalink
    July 24, 2020 6:36 pm

    mervhob’s recent comment reminds me that climate science as a university discipline did not exist until the Seventies when Hubert Lamb founded the CRU at the University of East Anglia. It was his intention that it would try to understand the basics of our climate but sadly he retired soon after. Instead of doing as he intended, the department leapt on to the Global Warming bandwagon that was fashionable at the time, (hot on the heels of the next ice age scare, also of the Seventies) then went on to ClimateGate fame with their new American colleagues, including people like Mann. The funding then poured in and today we have many thousands of climate scientists.

    So, who taught these people the basics of climate science, wrote the text books and ensured they understood all about global warming? Yes, the hockey team as it became known.

  22. Steve Drew permalink
    July 24, 2020 8:53 pm

    And I demand that
    they must stop pretending that there is a climate crisis

  23. July 24, 2020 9:50 pm

    I have just been skimming through the pages of Scientists For Future or as they also write for their uneducated striking followers, Scientists4Future.

    I quote from their opinions section

    “It is critical to immediately begin reducing net CO2 emissions and to eliminate them to zero worldwide between 2040 and 2050 at the latest (IPCC 2018). A more rapid reduction would increase the probability of not exceeding the 1.5°C limit. The use of coal should be nearly ended by 2030, while the burning of oil and natural gas should be reduced simultaneously until all fossil fuels have been replaced by climate-neutral energy sources. Considering global climate justice, Europe must achieve this transition(misspelled on their web page) more quickly (IPCC 2018, Global Carbon Project 2018).

    So! Europe MUST get ther quicker even thought it produces LESS THAN 20% of the worlds CO2 emissions. I (don’t) get the logic of that…

    Fellow readers of the worlds of Douglas Adams, Does this not sound to you that Europe ” transitioning more quickly” is akin to the Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B sending off all the idiots in the first ship to prepare the planet ( Earth) for when all the clever people arrive. We are the idiots who need to be transitionned first and after we have done for ourselves good and proper then the rest of the world will just get on with normal business.

    Could me out Greta!

    How many adults were involved in writing this?

    What on earth is “Global Climate Justice” when it is at home for heavens sake? These people have too much money and too much time on their hands pontificating on their navel fluff!

    • dennisambler permalink
      July 24, 2020 10:41 pm

      Much of this is UN Sustainable Development Goals, Agenda 21, morphing into Agenda 2030. The phrase Global South is very much a UN phrase.

  24. July 25, 2020 1:52 am

    Following Mike Jackson’s kind comment above, I’ve enlarged on my reflections on Greta and her chums here
    https://cliscep.com/2020/07/25/five-go-off-the-planet/

    • Robin Guenier permalink
      July 25, 2020 7:43 am

      Good one, Geoff. (And thanks to Mike for inspiring this.)

  25. john permalink
    July 25, 2020 10:03 pm

    If those brain dead virtue signalling hypocrites sign it, thats my confirmation its bullshit.

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