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Ben Pile on The Cosy Compact of Govt, Business & Civil Society

December 7, 2020

By Paul Homewood

Ben Pile has a new video out, which needs to be widely spread:

46 Comments
  1. December 7, 2020 2:21 pm

    Brilliant – thank you. By the way completely applicable to New York State’s Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act.

  2. December 7, 2020 2:49 pm

    Spot on. I have had to deal with the Green NGOs who campaigned against the shale gas industry. I was in favour of the industry as it would help our energy security, bring jobs to rural areas of the north & tax revenue for our government.

    The likes of FoE, Greenpeace, CPRE & Food & Water Watch ran a brutal campaign which was toxic against the industry. Politicians listened to those money making NGOs as if they did represent civil society. They do not. The NGOs saw fracking as a way to garner donations to pay their fat salaries.

    Let’s take FoE, they used their ltd company to push out their anti fracking propaganda. How many ordinary people understood that? They couldn’t use their charity as you cannot lie to fund raise. FoE did initially use their FoE charitable trust but were reprimanded by the Advertising Standards Authority because they made false claims about the negative impacts of fracking, which they could not support with evidence. They had to withdraw their 8 sided propaganda leaflet which had five sides begging for donations. A charity cannot mislead people to fund raise.

    The average income of their paid campaigners is around £40,000 per annum. The average income where I live, & shale gas development was proposed, is £18,000. Yet, no one wanted to hear what we locals thought who supported the industry, they just engaged with the NGOs & their southern based, London centric PR people.

    Food & Water Watch is another NGO heavily involved in the battle against shale gas in the U.K. They are not even based here, they are in the USA & Brussels but are prolific in lobbying our government against our own industries. All highly paid. Ms Hauter their CEO earns over £225,000 per annum.

    Non of these organisations have many members. FoE only has I believe around 20,000 in the U.K. and only 2million world wide yet they have so much say over critical policies for our country. I could go on but I will stop there.

    I have learnt that no one wants to listen to ‘the people’ they think we are too stupid to have an opinion. But I will keep fighting to have a voice and will not be silenced. The video is great & resonated with me.

    • Joe Public permalink
      December 7, 2020 4:07 pm

      A great point about the misleaders and liars at Friends of the Earth.

    • Robert Christopher permalink
      December 7, 2020 4:11 pm

      This post sums up the problem. It’s easily digestible, relevant information that the BBC would never broadcast.

    • Barbara permalink
      December 7, 2020 4:36 pm

      Thank you Lorraine we can’t hear this sort of thing often enough here in the south – however you make me ashamed to be a southerner with your words. I was a member of the CPRE locally in Dorset because I believed they were the only people with any clout when unsuitable local planning applications were mooted. When I realised that climate change was top of the agenda at national level I resigned and informed our local chairman – he said he warned head office that this would happen but they didn’t want to know. Of course they are all for renewables so now locally we are faced with a proposed large solar panel scheme where CPRE are unable to oppose. They are there to protect rural England not allow it to be degraded so that someone somewhere can make some money.

      • December 7, 2020 6:35 pm

        Hi Barbara, I have written a response to Malcolm Chapman, which you might like to read.

    • Steve permalink
      December 7, 2020 5:17 pm

      Client Earth is another highly paid legal practice that pushes for more green legislation and bans by using European and UN agendas. They receive large grants from the government, supposedly for international aid.

      • December 7, 2020 6:54 pm

        The poor tax payer often helps fund these supposed charities without realising they do. Also are people aware that the Post Code lottery helps fund FoE? They have had around ten million pounds from them so far….its the reverse of what Robin Hood did.

    • Is it just me? permalink
      December 7, 2020 5:32 pm

      I hear you Lorraine, but fracking was stopped in Holland as it was really causing some serious problems. I know the geology of Holland is different to the UK, but also the fracking industry did not put it’s best foot forward across the world – which partly was it’s own fault. Having gas is vital as it’s the ‘top up’ fuel for generating electric power that is more flexible than all of the other means will be noticed when it’s not available.
      On charities – yes, most are run by ex-corporate types who’ve all realised they can get almost the same salaries & pensions for a whole lot less shareholder-accountable stress. They all use the same devious tactics that served them well in their old lives mind. Don’t even get me going on that one!

      • December 7, 2020 5:58 pm

        Hi ‘Is it just me’

        I would like to just politely correct you if I may. Groningen in the Netherlands where gas extraction has indeed created problems had little to do with fracking & more to do with the geology & displaced pressure.

        Decades of gas extraction has reduced the pressure on the gas bearing rocks below the surface, causing them to contract. The ground has sunk by about a foot, and earthquakes have been the result. Not good, but I think it would be unfair to blame all their issues on fracking.

    • Malcolm Chapman permalink
      December 7, 2020 5:49 pm

      This is a very clear takedown of the anti-frackers – thank you. I am from another part of the North of England, so I could not come and protest against the protesters, but I am glad to hear that you are there to offer a local voice of reason, however difficult it is to be heard. The treatment of the knaves and liars at FoE, Greenpeace, CPRE and so on, as if they represented, or even were, ‘the voice of the people’, is an ongoing affront to democracy in the United Kingdom. How do we campaign against this? Really, how?

      • December 7, 2020 6:33 pm

        Malcolm Chapman you say “The treatment of the knaves and liars at FoE, Greenpeace, CPRE and so on, as if they represented, or even were, ‘the voice of the people’, is an ongoing affront to democracy in the United Kingdom. How do we campaign against this? Really, how?”

        The only thing that will make a difference is if people join together and take action as a group. People power is the only thing that politicians will listen to. I do not mean violence at all, I mean getting to together and co ordinating letter writing to politicians, lobbying government and giving voice to our opinion without being intimidated not to do so. It takes time, effort and dedication but if people did join together to utilise each others skills, the more that joined, the more of a difference could be made. Thats all that these NGOs do, the instruct people to take action and help them to do so.

        What these NGO’s and their followers have is endless money, they can finance and organise themselves into sounding like they are the Majority when they are not. Food and Water Watch must have pumped huge amounts of money into their fight against fracking in the UK. Initially, it was Friends of the Earth and a group called Frack Off. They would get a few locals involved and then claim that they were ‘grass roots groups’. They were far from it. The Frack Free, supposed grass roots groups, in our area were founded by people living in London. One worked for Unearthed as a journalist, others were veteran campaigners against other ‘issues’. They are so well organised and manage to find a few vulnerable locals to join them.

        I have written a book about what really went on in my community but I don’t want to breach any rules by publicising it on here. The Sunday Express ran the story on the 18th of October this year. What happens to people and businesses associated with shale gas or environmental issues is horrendous, especially if you do not conform to the demands of the eco elite. This is all overseen by these NGO’s. They get a free pass to speak with government, why? It has always frustrated me as they policy makers do not get to hear what the general public really think. But if you are some rich NGO or a 16 year old from another country you can have the attention of any political party in this country and the politicians lap it up whilst ignoring the people with common sense or who are educated, scientists and engineers and are not just into causing hysteria.

        Apologies if I seem to go on and on!!! I just hope that people will want to start uniting to make our voices heard and to make a difference.

    • ThinkingScientist permalink
      December 8, 2020 10:44 am

      Lorraine,

      I have sent you a linked in message to try and exchange contact details. I am part of a small technical group, having connections will help us all to improve and coordinate response to the insanity around us.

      ThinkingScientist

    • Ray Sanders permalink
      December 8, 2020 1:27 pm

      Hi Lorraine, you opted not to overly publicise yourself in your post but I feel no such restriction(!) https://www.lorraineallanson.co.uk/
      We are having a not dissimilar issue in Kent. Apparently it is okay to ravage a SSSI nature reserve and grade ! arable with a massive solar farm and the world’s largest (and most dangerous) battery pack because it is somehow “green”. The locals were not allowed by law to have any input in the decision making process. Alok Sharma decided for us with no consultation.

      • December 8, 2020 1:38 pm

        Thank you! That is one of the things that truly annoys me, how the environmentalists will use terms such as industrialisation of the landscape against any development they don’t approve of. Yet they demand that their renewable favourites of wind, solar and batteries should cover National Parks, SSSI’s and AONB and that we should all just let that happen & be delighted. Its the same as they claim they dont want to mine anything from the earth until of course it is required for batteries and then they happily let children mine cobalt in the Congo.
        In a world obsessed by equality, there is no equality when it comes to the environmentalists who also enjoy preferential treatment when sent through the court system for disturbing other peoples rights to go about their daily lives.

  3. December 7, 2020 2:53 pm

    WHEN will someone come forward who has the ability to get the message out that the Climate Emperor has no clothes and this is the greatest fraud in history.

    ALL of these weasels need to face criminal investigation because what they are doing is circumventing democracy for their own ends as they all play political oneupmanship with each other trying to outdo each other for piety using incomprehensible language to baffle all with this none existent issue.

    Just look at the mess they have created with COVID even WHEN there is hard empirical data! With climate they have nothing other than the bankrupt and ever re invented inflationary language of doom!

    Show the data which PROVES the emergency!

    How does RECORD global food production year on year square with a “climate emergency” exactly?

    How is “more inhabitable” surface area of the planet an indicator of an “emergency”?

    This lot of dangerous charlatans start in mid air. Their climate house has no foundations and just dare see how they attack you for trying to point that out!

    What IS an emergency of the greatest kind is the 27% increase in global population in just the last 20 years and NONE OF THESE WEASELS GIVE IT A SINGLE GLANCE!¨

    This was, is and always will be a Trojan horse for dangerous left wing politics and the cancer of ever more worthless bureaucracy being heaped on the West

  4. JimW permalink
    December 7, 2020 2:56 pm

    Thank you, Paul. Not only was that video excellent but on the Youtube link I caught the latest masterpiece by Tucker on Fauci, also excellent.

    • ThinkingScientist permalink
      December 7, 2020 5:18 pm

      Strange – I got “How to optimise your climbing wall” by Dave Macleod as the next Youtube masterpeice linked!

  5. December 7, 2020 3:13 pm

    Absolutely brilliant.

  6. December 7, 2020 3:16 pm

    Thanks Paul! More Ben Pile, please!

  7. saparonia permalink
    December 7, 2020 3:32 pm

    I’m amazed that YouTube hasn’t taken this down, surely they always do if it disagrees with their views?
    Perhaps people aren’t “believing” in “climate-change” because we all know that record amounts, and in uncharacteristic places, of snow and ice all over the world is not due to “global-warming” – (sorry, I forgot it’s “climate-change” now.)
    All our weather is due to the Sun and the Sun is heading full tilt into a solar minimum. We have volcanic activity increasing across the world, a known precurser to Ice Ages. It will only take one major eruption from a super-volcano to send us into a volcanic winter and then there will be no solar power.
    Not only is the Sun into a major and regular cooling phase but also the major planets are all on one side and this causes the Sun’s orbit to be more erratic, long periods in one hemisphere after another. There’s no doubt that this is an extreme period of time but I do wish that those aware of it would be truthful about things.
    We are not sheep, we have intelligence.

    • Dave Ward permalink
      December 7, 2020 3:40 pm

      “We are not sheep, we have intelligence”

      “We” might have, but sadly (as the response to lockdowns, masks, etc, shows) an awful lot of people clearly ARE sheep, and don’t have the intelligence to search out alternative views…

      • saparonia permalink
        December 7, 2020 3:47 pm

        I disagree, wearing a mask where and when we are told to, is not a sign of weakness, it’s self-preservation, whether from a virus or from tyrrany.

        As for the snow, the media is not reporting it. Today the “News” is that we won’t be getting ANY snow in 20 years. Please read the link below that mentions this.
        https://electroverse.net/austrian-village-literally-buried/

  8. Dave Ward permalink
    December 7, 2020 3:35 pm

    It would be even better if Ben had muted Alok Sharma when fast forwarding his speech! Not all of us now have hearing as good as we once enjoyed, and it’s bloody difficult to separate one track from the other in those sections. I noticed “Lancaster University” in the list of organisations near the end – have they forgotten the excellent report they co-produced a few years back about the major power cut the city experienced?

    https://www.raeng.org.uk/publications/reports/living-without-electricity (PDF download)

    It should be required reading for ANYONE who advocates ludicrous measures to try and make society “Carbon Neutral”…

    • December 7, 2020 3:56 pm

      Apologies, Dave. I turned him down as much as I thought people with more advanced ears could tolerate. I will admit to thinking it was funny having Alok rabbiting on in the background, as if anyone was listening.

      I will bear this issue in mind in future videos.

      Meanwhile, I’ve added subtitles to the video, which you can see by clicking on the “CC” button in the video player.

      Many thanks, Paul, for sharing the video.

      • Dave Ward permalink
        December 8, 2020 12:28 pm

        Thanks, Ben. If you’d just “let him rabbit” for a couple of seconds, then muted completely it would be much better. I suffer from Tinitus, and have to contend with constant background whistling, so trying to separate two voices isn’t easy. I normally download most YT content, as they quickly delete stuff that doesn’t fit their “Woke” agenda. I’ve had a look at my YT downloader and find there’s a tick box to select subtitles with the video. I’ve just re-downloaded it, and they show up on playback, so many thanks for your concern.

  9. ianprsy permalink
    December 7, 2020 3:46 pm

    Excellent. This explains very clearly why my council has flatly refused to engage on the small matter of legitimacy.

  10. Bill permalink
    December 7, 2020 4:29 pm

    Its so good to know that I’m not on my own with my ‘heretical’ views.
    Thank you all.

  11. December 7, 2020 5:17 pm

    Reblogged this on Tallbloke's Talkshop and commented:
    Hands up if you remember voting in favour of the UK’s ‘net zero’ energy policies. Oh…

  12. Is it just me? permalink
    December 7, 2020 5:24 pm

    Depressing and wearying as it is – those of us not directly financially benefitting, or being ‘useful idiots’ to those that are – still count for something. We must push back. No longer are we fighting a government assigned enemy – we are fighting with an unhealthy % of our own government.

  13. A Man of No Rank permalink
    December 7, 2020 5:33 pm

    I find Ben’s excellent video depressing. So I sent a link to the Brexit Party’s Policy Suggestions group, explaining that ‘Climate’ can be a true vote winner if they oppose the other parties and bring democracy back.
    Lets see if I get any encouraging response.

    • December 7, 2020 9:41 pm

      Similarly, I wrote to the Reform Party – and Nigel Farage in particular – telling him the same. The reply I got was that my suggestions would be “passed along”.

  14. December 7, 2020 5:35 pm

    Another strand is the law, such as the obligation on OFGEM (the regulator, supposedly to take care of the interests of the consumer) to assume that consumers are concerned about the environment, as in this statement from them:

    “Our role is to protect consumers now and in the future by working to deliver a greener, fairer energy system.”

    Note how “fairness” is supposedly an additional concern for consumers, and that paying bills is not.

  15. December 7, 2020 6:18 pm

    Do we detect the rotten stink of Common Purpose?

  16. jack broughton permalink
    December 7, 2020 8:29 pm

    This issue may amuse readers: shows where much of the profits from wind go… (hint not UK)! From the 4C Offshore website. Note 1DKK = 12p at present.
    “Ørsted has received an administrative decision from the Danish Tax Agency, requiring Danish taxation on the company’s British offshore wind farms, Walney Extension and Hornsea 1 for the tax years 2015 and 2016.

    The Danish Tax Agency’s claim amounts to DKK 5.1 billion, plus interest amounting to DKK 1.5 billion. According to the decision, Ørsted is to be taxed in Denmark on the full future value of the two offshore wind farms, despite the fact that they are developed, owned, and operated by British subsidiaries of the Ørsted group and are already taxed in the UK.”T

  17. December 7, 2020 9:38 pm

    I shared it, Facebook and Twitter. All true. When will someone do the UN IPCC, The real afgenda and Agenda 21, Maurice Strong the UN climate and later fiscal fraudster with UN funds, etc.

  18. David Calder permalink
    December 8, 2020 12:50 am

    Brilliant piece thanks. Am sharing as I can but the brainwashing is STRONG

  19. Douglas Brodie permalink
    December 8, 2020 11:29 am

    Transcript available here: https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/how-the-green-civil-society-lie-is-killing-off-democracy/

  20. Peter S permalink
    December 8, 2020 5:49 pm

    Excellent video by Ben Pile. I have a complicated question which I shall try to articulate. I get the manipulation of government policy by multinationals, hedge fund managers, subsidy harvesters and so on. I see that Al has invested in meat substitute foodstuffs. I get the Lefties and Greenies who want to get rid of capitalism, industry and the consumer society. I get that the UN wants global governance and taxation and to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor and climate change is the vehicle. I see that alarmism forces politicians to act and politicians see that alarmism allows them to use special powers and seize more control.
    But the direction that we are on is madness, it will ruin the country. Are all of the above too stupid, too ignorant, too greedy, swept along by groupthink, or what? The different groups might get hugely rich or achieve their political aims but the cost to the country and our lifestyle is massive. How to rationalise that lot?

  21. Malcolm Chapman permalink
    December 8, 2020 5:57 pm

    Lorraine Allanson – thank you for the detailed reply. You are right, of course – we have to do this ourselves. You have clearly made a good start, and I look forward to the book. I have been interested in these matters for well over twenty years, and have some academic background in relevant areas. I have fulminated from the computer keyboard too often, perhaps, without taking any practical steps.

    I harboured the hope that Boris was fundamentally on the side of the angels in these matters, but it looks as though that hope will not be realised. I wrote to a local MP after Climategate, and he turned out to be one of the few independent-minded souls that had voted against the Climate Change Act, so that ought to have been a good start. I have supported the Global Warming Policy Foundation/Forum since it first appeared, and perhaps something more than very interesting lectures could come out of that organisation.

    I am retired, so I do not have the excuse of pressure of work for continued inaction. I think Man of no Rank’s idea of trying to interest a political party in this, as a vote winner, is a good one. Physics and democracy are bound to intersect on this, not far into the future, and any party or politician that could claim to have noticed the problems early would have an advantage.

    One of the advantages that activists tend to have in these domains, is that they often don’t have proper jobs (or work for a sympathetic public sector). This means that they can be full time activists. They also have naive enviro-guilty billionaires behind them, as someone has already mentioned. I’m not sure that we can replicate the naive billionaires. Those of us that are retired, however, do have time and perhaps commitment to put behind this cause.

    Blogs like this are not amenable, as far as I understand them, to the concerted organisation of protest. I am not much of a social media user, so would welcome comments as to how one might begin (or, indeed, pointers to what is already happening – I know that it is entirely likely that I am a few weeks behind the fair on this). Someone mentioned LinkedIn – is that a way to go?

    • December 8, 2020 8:04 pm

      Hi Malcolm, your message has some excellent points. Social media is what I call a weapon of mass destruction. It is frequently used ton abuse and insult people and one needs to be very careful what one posts as it can come back and bight you years later if at some point someone takes offence.

      You can contact me via my web site which is my name and then co.uk The contact details are at the bottom of the web site pages. We can then discuss a way forward. As you say this blog is not the place. I will look forward to hearing from you.

      Btw, you are right about the activists having plenty of time to fight their cause. The anti fracking protest camp admitted as they were packing up to leave that they had a fully equipped media caravan with the latest equipment to create their PR and media releases. They also boasted that they had 3 people working full time with the media…..we were locals with no financial backing working full time to pay our bills and running businesses. We could not compete and the media were certainly not impartial. If a fly landed on a tent the camera crews would go rushing to film it.

      Another point that many people may not realise but the police admitted they allowed the protesters to break the law so that they could not claim they had not had their human rights. Even worse, the police also admitted they would go and wake the protesters up so that they could get out of bed to slow walk a truck when it was coming to the well site. Unbelievable, but true.

  22. Peter S permalink
    December 8, 2020 7:36 pm

    Malcolm Chapman – I sympathise fully. We need a common sense party to get us out of this mess. We need lots of other things too. Here are some of them. Those who feel able should convince everyone they know that the climate propaganda is just that. We should Make it clear to our MPs that we do not support the green policies. We should complain to the BBC at every opportunity about their bias, making it clear that you will not subscribe when that becomes an option. We should correct climate nonsense when ever we hear it.

    We are in a battle where we have so far lost the propaganda argument because all the media is biased. Each of us must do everything to reverse that.

    Most of all we must tell our MPs that they must heed our concerns or they are finished. There is time to have an effect if we all get stuck in.

    • ThinkingScientist permalink
      December 9, 2020 9:10 am

      The fundamental issue is the cosy compact of the 2.5 main parties and the resulting democratic deficit. If you object to the Green craziness there is no alternative democratic option to vote for. Its all very well touting Brexit and Reform party, but they can be dismissed as extreme right wingers – “a bunch of fruit cakes and loonies and closet racists” as Cameron put it in his “deplorables” comment.

      I am actually starting to think a political infiltration on the Conservative party is the way to go with this. The objectives of the Greens are very far from any natural, common-sense conservative views. There is also an underlying message of concern for the poor and ordinary working people concerning how their cost of living and freedom is going to be severely impacted. That is a core message which would play well with conservatives. there is already a back bench rump of opposition in the Conservative parliamentary party – a base to build from.

      Core messages could be:

      1. Balancing the democratic deficit on this issue
      2. Addressing the truth about the cost
      3. Addressing the truth about the impact of restriction of freedoms
      4. Putting the fundamental question – how much measurable difference to the climate will the UK make by sacrificing its economy and standard of living on the altar of climate change?

      The Labour Party was effectively taken over under Corbyn by a more militant membership, swelling the ranks. Perhaps a similar strategy could work with the Conservative party. The Labour party has around 485,000 members, the Conservative party is much smaller – 180,000.

      • December 9, 2020 9:49 am

        Excellent points which need action. We require a central point to sign up to, so that lobbying & actions can be co ordinated. The silent majority now has to stand up, speak out & be heard.

        I agree particularly about the Brexit/ Reform party. They are tainted now by past endeavours. This new movement does need to target our conservative representatives. The Conservatives have strayed from their core values & support for business.

        There will be plenty of talent out there amongst us all that can help deliver a strong message & help individuals to do so.

        An MP once said to me that if they receive a couple of letters about something they ignore them. If they receive numerous letters then they take notice.

        It’s all about numbers & putting pressure on what are supposed to be our elected representatives. Those people are not at present allowing the public a say on their one/two trillion cost of destroying our economy and peoples lives. That is not democracy. All whilst we are already in a similar debt.

  23. JCalvertN(UK) permalink
    December 9, 2020 6:29 pm

    This is a real article
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/28/its-time-for-the-elites-to-rise-up-against-ignorant-masses-trump-2016-brexit/

    “It’s Time for the Elites to Rise Up Against the Ignorant Masses”

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