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Go Native, Orders Prince Charles!

December 31, 2020

By Paul Homewood

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https://www.climatedepot.com/2020/12/30/prince-charles-we-can-learn-so-much-from-indigenous-communities-on-living-in-balance-with-the-natural-world-mother-nature-is-our-sustainer/

Says the man with four stately homes, and a carbon footprint of a small town!

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7929735/Prince-Charles-flew-16-000-miles-just-11-days-proudly-posing-Greta-Thunberg-Davos.html

Meanwhile he apparently expects the rest of us to live like a tribe of natives in the Amazonian jungle. Maybe he could explain how the world could support billions of people in such a fashion.

The idea of a noble eco-savage is, in any event, a western inspired myth, as Robert Whelan explained in 1999:

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Ever since the discovery of the New World by Christopher Columbus, the noble savage has been a potent symbol in Western cultures. The notion that there is a land where men and women live in simplicity and innocence has been used to draw unfavourable comparisons with advanced societies. The noble savage has been conscripted by many causes, from the French Revolution to the sexual revolution, but in his most recent incarnation he is the champion of conservation. The native peoples of the earth, according to this version of the legend, live in harmony with nature. They respect the rest of creation. They know how to harvest resources sustainably. They are said to be ‘transparent’ in the environment. However, we now know that native peoples can be as destructive to their environments as anyone else, and that historically aboriginal tribes often changed whole ecosystems by the repeated burning of forests and by hunting animal species to extinction. The noble eco-savage is a white, Western artefact.When policy issues, such as land rights, are decided on the basis of this misconception, it leads to disappointment and sometimes recriminations against the tribal peoples who fail to conform to the stereotype.

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Wild_in_Woods.html?id=SM5rmgEACAAJ&redir_esc=y

39 Comments
  1. December 31, 2020 10:36 am

    And this loon is going to be our next monarch. Saints preserve us.

  2. December 31, 2020 10:40 am

    Prince Charles is late to the table. What he envisions was outlined by Thomas Hobbes in his 1651 peom “Leviathan.” According to Hobbes, the natural state of mankind is “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short”.

    I well remember this from both my high school history and from the Humanities course I had as a freshman at West Virginia University in 1962. Perchance the Bonny Prince is lacking in knowledge or hoping for such an outcome…..for others.

    • December 31, 2020 10:41 am

      That would be “poem”.

      • Robert Jones permalink
        December 31, 2020 6:37 pm

        Joan, there was I assuming that a ‘peom’ was a sort of sombre poem but voiced with an American accent against a driving backing track!

      • yonason permalink
        January 1, 2021 6:16 am

        I like “peom.” It could be a whole new genre of literature.

        Anyway, perhaps you are thinking of W. S. Merwin’s “Leviathan?” That was a poem.
        https://www.enotes.com/topics/leviathan-w-s-merwin/in-depth

        Hobbes work, on the other hand, was a treatise on social contracts, on a national scale.
        https://frenchenlightenment.weebly.com/hobbes-locke-rousseau-the-social-contract.html

        If you studied either in high school, you were fortunate. I wasn’t.

        Thanks for making me look that up. 🙂

      • January 1, 2021 12:09 pm

        We learned these as signatures for various societal “experiences”. “Nasty, brutish and short” defined a lack of civilization, “eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die” the Epicurean model, etc.

      • yonason permalink
        January 1, 2021 4:18 pm

        “Nasty, brutish and short”

        Here’s another article on Hobbes’ work, where the full quote is given as “Solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short’”
        https://yalebooksblog.co.uk/2013/04/05/thomas-hobbes-solitary-poor-nasty-brutish-and-short/

        He seems more of a proto-socialist, if I understand this correctly, or at least a pessimist…

        Hobbes, for example, worried that people were ever in danger of lapsing into a pre-civilized state, “without a common power to keep them all in awe,” which, in turn, would lead to a hopeless existence, a “state of nature” characterized by “a war of every man, against every man.” It was, Hobbes wrote, a life “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.” To avoid this fate, one must submit to the authority of the state, what he termed the “Leviathan” …. In the process, we would gain self-preservation, but at the expense of liberty.2

        Curiously, here’s someone else who thinks it’s a poem!
        https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nasty-brutish-and-short.html
        So, apparently that’s one of those “facts” that a lot of people may have been taught that just isn’t so. (Just thought you would like to know that)

        Thanks again for getting me to research this a bit more.

      • yonason permalink
        January 1, 2021 4:25 pm

        Oh, I meant to draw attention to the irony of sacrificing our freedom to satisfy Hobbes’ desire for “a common power to keep them [us] in awe,” and that it has never done anything but make the lives of those in that predicament “Solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.”

  3. richardw permalink
    December 31, 2020 10:41 am

    And this is the man co-sponsoring the World Economic Forum Great Reset. I thought he was supposed to be apolitical? Unfortunately, there is not much we can do about his lack of intelligence other than to shut him up.

    • sixlittlerabbits permalink
      December 31, 2020 11:44 pm

      I had high hopes for William, his son, until he said he lies awake at night worrying about the threat of climate change!

      Wendy Berry, the author of “The Housekeeper’s Diary” quoted her son, who was also in royal service: One starts out as a monarchist and ends up becoming a republican.

  4. December 31, 2020 10:43 am

    A good recent review of large mammal extinctions caused by mankind is in the bestselling book “Sapiens” by Yuval Noah Harari.

    Laughably, “greens” have their own interpretation of the data, that it was large scale agriculture that wiped out the critters. That “large scale” agriculture is nasty stuff, it also caused the desertification of the Sahara, according to “greens”.

  5. Mike Jackson permalink
    December 31, 2020 10:52 am

    Only two groups of people are in favour of subsistence farming — those who have never tried it and those who have never tried anything else.

    Laurens van der Post has a lot to answer for.

    • Ben Vorlich permalink
      December 31, 2020 11:45 am

      Yes very true, I lived for a long time (until my early 20s) in a house with no mains services apart from a party line telephone. Never would go back to that willing, although Boris seems hell bent on forcing me too.

      • Ken Pollock permalink
        December 31, 2020 12:04 pm

        Ben Vorlich – a Munro alongside Loch Lomond. I really enjoyed climbing it decades ago – walking up it would be more precise. I assume you live close to it – now with decent mains services, I hope…Good luck to all who enjoy the Scottish hills!

      • Mike Jackson permalink
        December 31, 2020 1:58 pm

        I don’t want to sound like a Monty Python sketch but I lived the first 10 years of my life in a wooden bungalow with no hot water, no flush toilet, an electrical system that meant you had to be careful what two appliances you switched on at the same time and the only reason we had a phone at all was because my aunt was the District Nurse!

        And nobody in the village thought it in any way unusual. But I doubt their grandchildren would thank you for trying to reintroduce that standard of living on the spurious grounds that by the time their grandchildren are grown up the world might otherwise be 2° warmer than it is now! Certainly not if they were in full possession of all the facts!

      • yonason permalink
        January 1, 2021 7:27 pm

        @Mike Jackson

        For those not familiar with the sketch you are referring to…

  6. December 31, 2020 11:38 am

    What separates Charles from “indeginous” people. Isn’t Charles indeginous to England? Or is he a migrant?

    • bobn permalink
      December 31, 2020 12:40 pm

      He’s a descendant of Hanovarian Germans who came fortune seeking in 1720’s.. Just another immigrant (like me) !-)

  7. fretslider permalink
    December 31, 2020 11:39 am

    He will in time become known as Charles the Halfwit.

    His mother should be the last

    • Gerry, England permalink
      December 31, 2020 11:46 am

      It is not as if we can skip a generation as William is turning into an idiot like his father. Probably the most respected of the Queen’s children is Anne. I don’t know much about Peter Phillips but Zara seems a good sort.

    • December 31, 2020 12:12 pm

      That’s being very rude to Halfwits!

  8. Steve permalink
    December 31, 2020 11:52 am

    Charlie’s great uncle, the previous PO Wales was in thrall to mad Germans too. It’s heil Schwab with Charlie. Uncle Ed was sent to Bermuda to live in sub standard accommodation. A hut in the Amazon would suit in this case, but I can’t see Camilla being too keen.
    https://www.biography.com/.amp/news/edward-viii-wallis-simpson-nazi-sympathizers-hitler

  9. Keitho permalink
    December 31, 2020 12:07 pm

    They are always telling us to give up our money, give up our standard of living and so on. In the meantime they can’t even comprehend how far removed from our existence these mucky mucks are. Even his father wants humanity removed from Earth so it will be more pleasant for him.

    Royalty, billionaires, pop stars, Hollywood and those damnable politicians all want us to sacrifice so they don’t have to. They are detestable.

    • jack broughton permalink
      December 31, 2020 2:48 pm

      These are the people who add up to Big Brother: there is no escape! for the proles from their decisions. The clown prince of wallies will no doubt push his own tumbril to save the planet: I’d be happy to tow it if necessary.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      January 1, 2021 10:00 am

      Yes all those complaining about overpopulation never seem to imagine it includes them!

  10. dennisambler permalink
    December 31, 2020 2:07 pm

    The very indigenous Royal Society:
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rstb.2015.0174

    “…in the fire-prone savanna, Indigenous people use fire to drive and trap game such as deer or the pig-like peccary.” (someone should start a petition against this animal cruelty).

    “For many Indigenous groups in the Amazon, their entire way of life is predicated on sustainable fire. For example, the Mebêngokrê (Kayapó) people, who live in a remote region of the Brazilian Amazon, use fire to hunt for tortoises.” (crunchy meat pies?)

    Where are WWF when you need them? Ah, yes: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7488629/WWF-hopes-to-find-60-billion-growing-on-trees.html

  11. Coeur de Lion permalink
    December 31, 2020 5:16 pm

    What he’s recommending is that indigenous peoples should burn local biomass to live and thus desertify their environment. He has not noticed that it is the ‘rich’ countries that have the best record for conservation. When are we going to get another ‘so many years/months to save the planet’ ? It’s some time since the last,

  12. seeker24 permalink
    December 31, 2020 5:44 pm

    When the Maoris reached New Zealand, the islands were infested with many large flightless birds. The Maoris called them Moa, and promptly set about restoring the natural order by exterminating every one. Is that the balance with the natural world that Charlie is advocating?

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      January 1, 2021 10:01 am

      Probably a similar story in both North America and Australia.

  13. December 31, 2020 5:50 pm

    “The native peoples of the earth, according to this version of the legend, live in harmony with nature.”
    That’s going to be a bit of a problem for the human hunting hypothesis of megafauna extinction at the end of the last ice age.

  14. David permalink
    December 31, 2020 6:03 pm

    I think they must see it as a rather nice Club Mediterranee where you don’t even need the beads!

  15. Hotscot permalink
    December 31, 2020 7:06 pm

    This man is a child.

    We all had thoughts of this as children, then quickly realised that going native in Australia or Fiji is a completely different prospect in the Northern Hemisphere.

    The idiot needs to be certified, along with his dopey son and daughter in law Harry and Meghan.

    I love our Queen, but how much longer must we tolerate the scandalous and outrageous behaviour of her progeny.

  16. johnbuk permalink
    December 31, 2020 10:23 pm

    …and in the Radio Times, Sir David Attenborough has decided at the age of 92 to give up air travel as he doesn’t want to appear hypocritical and can carry on doing his nature programmes from his home – he’s also said air fares should be doubled to save the planet.
    What a hero! I’m all right Jack.

  17. Phoenix44 permalink
    January 1, 2021 9:57 am

    Living in “harmony” with nature involves having half your children die before they reach maturity and a 50% chance of dying before 30. Charles is nothing more than a deluded hypocrite living in a fantasy.

    • January 1, 2021 2:25 pm

      And because Charles is willfully ignorant and surrounded by sycophants this sorry state of affairs will only get worse when he ascends to the throne, accompanied by his mistress.

  18. Micky R permalink
    January 1, 2021 10:25 am

    Brenda didn’t want to be Queen, which is one reason why she has little impact on the lives of most Brits. Chaz is demonstrably a control freak, therefore the monarchy needs to be dismantled when Brenda dies.

  19. yonason permalink
    January 1, 2021 3:35 pm

    “Go Native” – Prince of fools

    You first, Chuck.

    A man’s hovel is his castle, after all.

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