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MWP & LIA In The Ross Sea

April 11, 2021

By Paul Homewood


 We saw yesterday how 19th explorers discovered that the Ross Ice Shelf receded by 30 miles in the 19thC.

To add to that picture, this study found that elephant seals migrated to the Victoria Land Coast in the Ross Sea about 8000 years ago, as the region became warmer, and stayed there till about 1000 years ago when sea ice returned.






Meanwhile another study shortly afterwards found evidence that the Ross Sea cooled significantly during the Little Ice Age:







This all indicates that modern glacier retreats are just part of a much longer climatic cycle.

  1. Aaron Halliwell permalink
    April 11, 2021 6:53 pm

    It will be interesting to see if Greta “listen to the science” Thunberg has grasped any of this kind of detailed history in her three-episode BBC marathon next week!

    • David V permalink
      April 11, 2021 8:12 pm

      Don’t hold your breath!

    • Chaswarnertoo permalink
      April 12, 2021 10:23 am

      Why would a mentally ill school dropout understand anything?

  2. Up2snuff permalink
    April 11, 2021 7:05 pm

    PH: ” This all indicates that modern glacier retreats are just part of a much longer climatic cycle. ” Quite right. Glaciers come, glaciers go. It’s their job.

    I was in a lecture about plants many years ago with PhD Doc from Kew Gardens providing the lecture. He had made various trips around the world on plant gathering expeditions. He had been to Canada to the site of, if my memory is correct, the third largest Canadian glacier. Why was he collecting plants there at the start of the twenty-first century?

    The glacier had vanished – evaporated – in a short period of time, toward the end of the first decade of the twentieth century.

    • Duker permalink
      April 11, 2021 9:34 pm

      Yes, even during the most recent ice age
      “During this last glacial period there were alternating episodes of glacier advance and retreat. Within the last glacial period the Last Glacial Maximum was approximately 22,000 years ago. While the general pattern of global cooling and glacier advance was similar, local differences in the development of glacier advance and retreat make it difficult to compare the details from continent to continent ” Last Glacial Period ,wikipedia
      Advance and retreat – even during the ‘ice age’ and I think some of the variations were quite rapid and not at all ‘glacially’ slow changes

  3. Ian Miller permalink
    April 11, 2021 8:35 pm

    Greta Thunberg will not change her stance as well she knows its nothing to do with Climate Change, and everything to do with totalitarian control and the overthrow of Capitalism. She seems to spread around nothing but resentment, unhappiness, poverty, and misery for all. Soo sad!

  4. David permalink
    April 11, 2021 8:57 pm

    Even Sky is getting in on the act now with its daily “Climate Change” prog.

  5. MrGrimNasty permalink
    April 11, 2021 10:22 pm

    I see Heller has posted a video of an enormous heard of reindeer in Yamal charging towards the camera. What he doesn’t say is that this is clearly an hallucination as they all got killed by climate change.

    In the last couple of years the MSM has run repeated stories about them dying from:

    (1) Starvation by the 10s of thousands as the ground iced over preventing access to their food in winter because unusual winter warmth is causing rain in the Arctic ‘more often’.

    (2) Death by the 10s of thousands from Anthrax because the warming is melting the permafrost and releasing the spores from ancient carcasses.

    They must breed like rabbits.

    • Chaswarnertoo permalink
      April 12, 2021 10:25 am

      Like those dying polar bears. When I was born there were about 5000, now, sadly, there are only 35,000 left.

      • MrGrimNasty permalink
        April 12, 2021 1:40 pm

        Someone’s copyrighted that line and made a fortune at 1p a time!

  6. Ulric Lyons permalink
    April 11, 2021 10:26 pm

    This is a gain in Antarctic sea ice 1000 years ago, which was during the Oort solar minimum, and the Arctic was warmer with less sea ice then. The polar see-saw effect in action.

  7. Les Saunders permalink
    April 12, 2021 9:38 am

    BBC at it again last night kicking off new series about how the ‘crisis’ is affecting the globe. Had to RAFL on the section on Australian drought and the claim that ‘climate change’ is making beach sand warmer! However we can expect more of this hysterical drivel in the lead up to COP25.

    • Jack Broughton permalink
      April 12, 2021 11:01 am

      I’m hopeless at these acronyms, what is RAFL, (approximately if necessary for good taste), please. LOL,etc.

      • Les Saunders permalink
        April 12, 2021 4:43 pm

        Rolls about the floor laughing.

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      April 12, 2021 2:08 pm

      Are you referring to the BBC’s free of noticeable talent/gravitas Ade who is increasingly used by the BBC diversity box tickers – now promoting climate change?

      I didn’t watch it for the sake of my health – I did see the adverts referring to sunk/missing Solomon islands.

      On checking, the lost islands are tiny specs of (sometimes vegetated) barrier reef that are of course temporary/constantly changing by nature, and then there’s all the Tsunamis in the area over the years.

      Perhaps 4″ of sea level rise in 50 years, or a 10+METER tsunami – the greatest threat?

      Apparently the locals used to know to live up high but were persuaded to settle right on the coast by missionaries back in the day. Then they built houses on mobile/temporary land in places like Nuatambu perhaps in the 1930s, and now they complain when nature reclaims.

      The Solomon Islands are largely stable and the problems with erosion are natural, or in some places man-made (removing vegetation, inappropriate hard-landscaping, interfering with deposition etc.) The lost areas are specs. Nuatambu is hardly visible on a map compared to the main island of Choiseul.

      Sea level rise has little to do with issues in the Solomons – in fact even the Guardian published an article by the author of a paper on the erosion etc. saying that he had complained that they misrepresented his paper by overstating climate change’s role.

      Of course the BBC won’t be telling us any of this.

  8. Don B permalink
    April 12, 2021 2:05 pm

    In 1794, Captain George Vancouver, while sailing up the Pacific coast doing his job of mapping the coastline, came to the opening of the now famous Glacier Bay in Alaska. There wasn’t much of a bay, as the glacier was nearly to the coast.

    Eighty-five year later John Muir, founder of the Sierra Club, discovered that the glacier had retreated more than 30 miles since Vancouver’s visit. Climate change – driven by natural variability.

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