Cost of a net-zero world ‘much higher’ than estimated
By Paul Homewood
The extra amount the world must spend each year to create a “net-zero” emissions economy is equivalent to half all profits now generated by companies globally, consultancy group McKinsey estimates in a report on the energy transition.
It said its calculation was much higher than most other estimates by economists but emphasised such investments could be lucrative and the long-term costs of not doing enough to tackle climate change would be greater.
“We find that the transition would be universal, significant and front-loaded, with uneven effects on sectors, geographies and communities, even as it creates growth opportunities,” it said.
Though time is running out, reaching net-zero carbon emissions by 2050 would give the world a chance of capping temperature rises at 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels, avoiding the worst fallout from climate change.
The report’s main finding was that this would require spending on physical assets for energy and land-use systems of about $275-trillion, or $9.2-trillion per year on average — an annual increase of $3.5-trillion on current spending.
“The increase is approximately equivalent, in 2020, to half of global corporate profits, one-quarter of total tax revenue and 7% of household spending,” it calculated.
The amount of cumulative spending would be equivalent to about 7.5% of world output from 2021-2050, far higher than the 2%-3% of global output which climate economists polled by Reuters in 2021 estimated was needed each year.
UK GDP is around £2 trillion, so 7.5% works out at £150 billion a year. On top of this of course, the developed world would be expected to pay for the rest of the world’s transition.
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
Ruinous costs the result of false science.
Paul, it’s not the monetary costs/losses as such. The ‘World’ as a whole could probably work through it. But the fact that over half the world will pay absolutely no attention to NZC means that those who do risk losing more then a pile of money on making a gesture.
Russia and Ukraine is not a fight for a Soviet Nationhood but a litmus test – to see just how much the West is ready and capable of defence. We might not be, right now but, in a NZC- (AND WOKE) World we would stand no chance whatsoever.
The old phone ad used to go: ‘The future’s bright: the future’s Orange’ – well now, the future is Green – with a heavy tint of Red.
I despair for my grandson’s future.
Here’s a good description of the problems in Ukraine, which are not all Ukrainian problems:
Amazing, when you realise that this presentation is six years old. The maps, near the beginning, are a revelation.
Madness and a complete ignorance of scientific reality is running rampant among our political leaders and the Media. Fueled by egregiously false Propaganda foisted upon us by leftist self interest groups bent on destroying the economy based Fossil Fuels absent one iota of common sense. Meanwhile they stand in line for their ‘Handouts’ to sustain their destruction of the western economies.
Again and Again I will advocate for Scrubbers, Electrostatic Precipitators and Nitrous Oxide Burners on ALL industrial Smokestacks . . .Technology that has been there for over 30 years. This IS the cure for Pollution . . .
Over 95 % of that pollution coming out of those chimney’s along with the CO2 can be removed today with technology that has been available for over 30 years. Have you ever heard an Environmentalist recommend installing Scrubbers or electrostatic precipitators or Nitrous Oxide burners to to clean up the air we breath that is coming out of those smokestacks? The answer is none . . . That would mean crawling into bed with the enemy . . . the fossil fuel industry. If your goal is to shut down the industry altogether why would you suggest ‘Clean Solutions? that would be defeating your whole purpose in life.
Here-in lies the rub . . .
First of all there is no such thing as ‘Clean Green’ energy . . . ALL energy production from ALL sources is poison to Planet Earth in some way. Yes even Solar, Wind and Hydro or even Bio-Fuel . . . No form of energy production comes without environmental harm, none! Some of the solutions are even worse than the problems we already have . . . If you ask the right questions and If you know where to look. We, as a society Globally, have been led to believe that CO2 is the root of all our problems . . . But look, when you see that flue gas the worst is from burning coal, even then, an average of 15% of what you see coming out is CO2 . . . the rest can be removed today. When you look at natural gas an average of 9% is CO2 . . . the rest can be removed.
Great Scientists from all over the world have long ago proven that CO2 is 0.04 % of the volume of the atmosphere. Human contribution annually is 3 % . . . Nature’s contribution Annually is 97 % . . .
The Paris accord suggests a 20 % reduction of human output annually . . . That is 0.6 % or 6 tenths of 1% . . .
https://www.academia.edu/49537285/Climate_Change_A_fresh_Perspective
Pollution . . . Globally can be cleaned up NOW . . . if we have the will to do so . . .
However the Elitist self interested actors on the environmental movement stage have far too much credibility to lose by joining a clean up campaign of ‘The Devil’s Mess’. One successful clean up of Note . . . Belldune New Brunswick Canada . . . They even make gypsum board (drywall) by recycling the water used in the chimneys . . . The Environmentalists still march to have it closed down . . . Not because it is clean . . . because it burns coal . . . Madness !
Pages 6 & 7
https://www.academia.edu/45570971/The_Environmentalist_and_The_Neanderthal
This is what gets removed at that plant . . .
1. Sulfur dioxide (SO2), which contributes to acid rain and respiratory illnesses.
2. Nitrogen oxides (NOx), which contribute to smog and respiratory illnesses.
3. Particulates, which contribute to smog, haze, and respiratory illnesses and lung disease.
4. Mercury and other heavy metals linked to both neurological and developmental damage.
5. Fly ash and bottom ash, that are residues created when power plants burn Coal.
You still wanna go on about CO2 . . . ?
NOT M E . . .
There have been 9 periods of Warming and 9 periods of Cooling in the last 10,000 years . . . CO2 did not rise or fall through any of that Climate Change. Five of those Warming periods were much warmer than it is today. Nature was responsible for them ALL . . . CO2 is rising today, YES ! But, Climate Change IS today as it always has been . . . A Natural Event . . . Volcanoes above VEI 6 bring extensive periods of cooling . . . when the skies from ‘Volcanic Winter’ . . . we return to what I call ‘The Norm of Warm’ . . . with or without man-made CO2.
https://www.academia.edu/49421861/CO2_Cradle_of_Life_on_Planet_Earth
Solutions . . . Ladies and Gentlemen . . . Not empty fantasies . . . not pushing pollution to third world countries . . . out of site . . . out of mind . . .
My Thoughts . . .
Jim, nailed it, thankyou.
Jim: You said:
Are you saying that power stations do not install these devices? I thought it was the law. And if not, what steps are being made to make it so?
NONE . . . That is my point . . . Coal fired plants can be almost as clean as Natural Gas . . . . quite frankly we have NEVER been Told . . .
PS. the plant in New Brunswick . . . I have seen it first hand . . . Studied it . . .
JUST because it burns coal . . . environmentalists MARCH to have it closed !!
Total . . . UTTER . . . MADNESS . . . !!
Even the National Media ‘The Globe and Mail’ highlighted it as one of the ‘Evil Coal Generators’.
When they were corrected by me . . . They refused to retract . . . Thou shalt NOT crawl into bed with the enemy . . . Rule #1 among Environmentalists . . .
Sad . . . Very Sad . . . but I am afraid . . . But True . . .
But you example, Jim, was New Brunswick. What about plants in the UK?
Jim…”Over 95 % of that pollution coming out of those chimney’s along with the CO2 can be removed today with technology that has been available for over 30 years.”
But, you didn’t mean that CO2 could also be removed, or did you? Carbon capture and geological storage technology can do that but not enough to matter. 40 million tons a year? With 40 billion tons being added? And 415 ppm already out there? Who are they kidding?
Might be Joe Biden’s group? He is doubling down on subsidizing them.
The CO2 is the ‘Red Herring’ . . . ‘The Lost Leader’ . . . ‘The Green House Effect’ all the same. We have all been led down the Garden Path by ‘Hysterical Propaganda’.
The ‘Carbon Cycle’ does NOT exist . . . This may sound strange given the attention ‘Carbon’ gets from ALL sides. It has remained ‘Stable’ at 280 PPM throughout the Holocene . . . for at least 10,000 years. Then, suddenly, studies began to demonstrate that it has been rising since Humans began burning fossil fuels since the mid 1700’s . . . thanks to James Watt and the invention of the flywheel on steam engines. There have been 9 periods of Natural Warming and 9 Periods of Natural Cooling absent ANY cycle in CO2.
Page 4 . . .
(PDF) Climate Change For the 21 st Century | Jim Le Maistre – Academia.edu
Only our current Warming Cycle ‘The Modern Warming Period’ can be blamed on Carbon. If the other Eight (8) Warming Periods were NOT linked to CO2 in any way . . . how and why can this Warming Period alone be caused by Carbon?? 5 of the other Warming periods were warmer than present.
The answer is simple . . . A failure among Environmental propagandists to produce Honest, scientific comparisons to the 8 previous Periods of Warming that have occurred in just the last 10,000 years. I do not believe that this is in any way some dark conspiracy . . . It has been an egregious oversite . . . Then now there is a refusal to review these facts . . . If you believer in in ‘Man-Made Climate Change’ caused by CO2 . . . why would you want to be the ONE to open Pandora’s Box? . . . It would be like pulling Hans Brinker’s finger from the Dyke or Killing the Goose that Lays the Golden Egg . . . The old adage . . . There are none so blind as those who will not see . . .
Trillions of dollars are at steak hinging on ‘Unverifiable’ data supported by the 75,000 or more people who have professional credentials as ‘Environmental Scientists’. The parameters for their field of study were formed and defined just in the last 30 years. That is not much time historically to vet and define an entire field of University study . . . All have studied ‘Peer Reviewed’ data confirming our current models on climate change . . . Absent one critical fact . . . History PROVES . . . there are NO carbon cycles following either Warming or Cooling for at least the last 10,000 years. Even the link between Volcanoes and Climate Change, Cold Climate Change has been abandoned and pushed under the rug by Environmental Scientists.
Propaganda is soo much easier to sustain without complicating it with too much science, history or fact . . . they keep it simple . . . and everyone believes.
(PDF) CO2 Cradle of Life on Planet Earth | Jim Le Maistre – Academia.edu
Finally . . . Human contribution is 3 % added annually to the Environment, while 97 % is from Nature . . . . Paris accord 20% of that . . . 0.6% . . .
CO2 as a percentage of the atmosphere . . . is 0.04 % of the total content of the atmosphere . . . 4 . . .10ths . . . of 1% . . .
Let that sink for a minute, then do the math . . . how many decimals right of one (1) is that ??
https://www.academia.edu/49537285/Climate_Change_A_fresh_Perspective
My Thoughts . . .
Mr. Passfield, They must be added to new plants or retrofit old ones and add scrubbers . . . The knowledge first MUST be brought forward . . . Environmentalists are hell bent on destroying the whole fossil fuel industry . . . They NEVER suggest easy, common sense solutions . . . that would destroy THEIR industry and how they get THEIR handouts . . . See page 6 & 7 . . .
https://www.academia.edu/45570971/The_Environmentalist_and_The_Neanderthal
Detain of New Brunswick facility . . . 30 Years operating CLEAN . . . Burning Coal.
Jim,
I don’t know about the other smoke stack devices, but when I was doing my CEGB apprenticeship (I’m well retired now) electrostatic precipitators were very common on U.K. coal fired power stations. The resulting fly ash being collected and used to manufacture building blocks. (Pulverised fuel ash blocks)
Ian
If you have the scrubbers and the electrostatic precipitators . . . then keep burning Coal . . . what is going up the stack is mostly water vapor . . . no problem . . . . CO2 is the gift of life on planet Earth today as it has been for 3.8 billion years. No historical evidence of CO2 causing, leading or following Warming or Cooling cycles with 10,000 years to study during the Holocene. A no brainer.
Try getting your local Media rep to except these FACTS though eh ?
reaching net-zero carbon emissions by 2050 would give the world a chance of capping temperature rises at 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels
The usual pie-in-the-sky nonsense. ‘The world’ isn’t running the climate.
Pre-Industrial . . . mid 1750’s . . . Was the coldest Planet Earth has experienced since about 350 BC. The second coldest moment in the last 10,000 years . . . Is that what environmentalists prefer?
https://www.academia.edu/51184433/Climate_Change_For_the_21_st_Century
Madness from every corner of the ‘Climate Change’ diatribe . . . foisted upon us by self interested, ignorant propagandists with their hands in our pockets while destroying Western Economies for NO end Gain Globally . . . OR . . . For Us . . . The people suffering the consequences of this self-flagellation in the name of reducing CO2 . . . ‘The Gift of Life’ from the Universe . . . without which . . . ALL living things would Perish . . .
My Thoughts . . .
Jim. nice set of posts. Thank you.
Knowledge of what the “environmentalists” actually represent (not what they appear to represent), goes a long way to understanding their behaviour. The Environmentalists are part of a multiheaded hydra whose real agenda is political (Critical Theory via the Frankfurt School) and that means hobbling Western society by any means. The Environmentalist mobs focus is the political or ideological goal of degrowth that then answers why they are really not interested in actual solutions in the same way as those talking about equality and fairness use such language only to disarm reasonable people.
I still get caught in the trap of trying to reason using science against outrageous claims being made in respect of global warming or climate change (or whatever it is called this week) when those I am talking to have no interest in the pursuit of truth via scientific endeavour, merely they promote the use of environmentalism as a hammer to destroy the Western economy. Dr David Bellamy a wonderful man and Ecologist extraordinaire had many a spat during his later life with the infected non scientific religion of political environmentalism much to his personal cost.
Pardonmeforbreathing,
You and I both as well as many other rational people get sucked into the vortex of debate . . . that is a natural instinct . . . 100% of the CO2 that we used to produce is being produced elsewhere in the world . . . ZERO change! Simple solutions at home would clean up the air we breathe Globally. None of this common sense makes inroads . . . Hyperbole wins among the blind . . . ALWAYS . . .
There seem to be some horribly muddled claims being made in these posts. If a hydrocarbon (gas, coal, oil whtever) is burned in air (normal) most of the stack gas is nitrogen. That is why the CO2 cannot be removed by usual means (amine or potash solutions). The polutants SO2 etc have been dealt with for years. Steam is incidental (mostly condensed after the turbine). To get rid of the CO2 (God knows why) the fuel must be oxy-combusted. Despite the Allam Cycle claims this places a huge parastic load on the generator to run the air copressor. But, please, let’s not have all this mis-information on this site.
CO2 is NOT a problem . . . making it a problem is . . . Pollution the poisonous excrement’s from burning fossil fuels CAN be removed !
If you declare CO2 public enemy #1 then you don’t need to bother with a clean up of everything else . . . THAT is why environmentalists do not advocate a clean up . . . they would have to crawl into bed with the Enemy . . . the fossil Fuel Industrialists . . .
Politics . . . NOT . . . common sense . . .
“….reaching net-zero carbon emissions by 2050”?
They haven’t even specified how much CO2 that is. Last year 40 gigaton were added. Zeroing that out in 30 years would mean removing more than a billion tons each year by 2050. That’s crazy. The asylum is filling up.
All that expense, to ensure we all live colder, and poorer lives, and ensuring millions die of cold and hunger. And achieving zero change to the climate since humanity doesnt and cant change the climate.
Net zero equals zero change to the climate, but zero improvements to quality of life!
Exactly !! Mr. bobn . . . Exactly !!
The key fact in the new development of plutocracy is that it will use its own blunder as an excuse for further crimes. Everywhere the very completeness of the impoverishment will be made a reason for the enslavement; though the men who impoverished were the same who enslaved. It is as if a highwayman not only took away a gentleman’s horse and all his money, but then handed him over to the police for tramping without visible means of subsistence. And the most monstrous feature in this enormous meanness may be noted in the plutocratic appeal to science, or, rather, to the pseudo-science that they call Eugenics.
UTOPIA OF USURERS G K Chesterton.
https://notthegrubstreetjournal.com/2022/01/24/piigs-ignorance-peak-oil-primitavism-and-the-road-out-of-serfdom/
Policy Based Evidence Making. Inside the Beltway 2.
https://notthegrubstreetjournal.com/2022/01/25/policy-based-evidence-making-inside-the-beltway-2/
‘Pandemic’ narrative over…false flag in Ukraine next?Gavin O’Reilly
The driving motivation behind the accelerated rush to a Techno Fascist Feudalism has been occupying my mind for the years leading up to the Repo Spike in New York in September 2019.
In the Financialised economy and with the CBDC push tied to Digital Id’s, we see a symptom of the appearance of what the system is trying to preserve, namely itself and its Monopoly ingroup. The real Economy is put in the position of trying to make bricks without straw, a misallocation of resources, and the Credit tokens to acquire those resources.
The Dominant Resource tieing the Financial system’s real potentials to the Real potentials of the real economy is the Flow of Energy resources and Primary resources through the economy. It would seem that a Hard limit on available energy to sustain the present industrial output of the global economy has been hit, what seems inexplicable is the Priorities touted in narratives regarding Why our largest Energy Sources the Hydro Carbons, Gas, Oil and Coal, and the largest potential replacement for them Nuclear are being demonised? It is more properly described as being stood down, why? Climate Change, The Climate Crisis, The Plague of Humans. (1)
“The purpose of the 4th Industrial revolution is to stymie the development of energy resources and to control Population and growth and instigate rapid population decline”.
The cakes currently burning King Alfred style were placed in the Oven in the pivotal period.
2015 Election, Feb 2016 oil price low, 2016 Brexit/trump, 2017 Election, September 2018 Repo Spike 2019 Election, Covid 19.
Covid 19 is a distraction the main currents date back to policy following the break up of the Soviet Union, 1990, 2000 Dot Com Bubble, 9/11, 7/7, 2008 GFC 2010 Coalition and
1. https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/dash-for-cash
2.https://notthegrubstreetjournal.com/2021/03/19/regulating-in-the-shadow-of-big-banking-paul-carliers-talk-at-the-transparency-task-force-and-the-failings-of-the-fca-under-andrew-bailey/
Build Back Better Going Direct and 4IR are all Political Slogans for the Trilateral World Government party, which represents only the hybridized Elite Billionaire class and their lackeys. Differential accumulation is their only concern and also of course population control.
“On top of this of course, the developed world would be expected to pay for the rest of the world’s transition.” Redistribution of wealth and a usurpation of the labor that went into a developed country. Instead, we should just teach underdeveloped countries how to fish!!
You dont say!
Well I’m shocked.And there’s me thinking I’m going tosave money! Oh dear, nevermind.
Spending 9.2 trillion to reduce global emissions of 57.6 GT to zero equates to $160/T.
Which is a lot of money, but still pretty low compared to some of the more crazy proposals, such as the IPCC’s $5000/T carbon tax that they thought would be required to achieve net zero.
The total mean mass of the atmosphere is 5.1480 × 10,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo kg . . . The Total carbon (CO2) added minus what is absorbed to give life to all living things on Planet Earth . . . is incalculably tiny . . . but it LOOKS SOOO big absent Context . . . That is how propaganda grabs attention . . . Environmentalists have teams of Marketing Experts to keep their ‘Drivel’ on ‘High Alert’ to the press . . . selling papers, getting the hits . . . Truth and context be dammed . . . Our JOB is to knock that ‘Crap’ back into its place . . .
Paul is the King of this !!
‘The extra amount the world must spend each year to create a “net-zero” emissions economy’
A ‘“net-zero” emissions economy’ means no economy. Talk of cost and spending is fanciful. There will be no money to spend.
And as Mr Passfield notes, most of the world isn’t playing this silly reindeer game.
‘such investments could be lucrative’
You can still make money off it.
‘The report’s main finding was that this would require spending on physical assets for energy and land-use systems of about $275-trillion, or $9.2-trillion per year on average’
I repeat, there won’t be ANY MONEY in a Net Zero economy. “Embrace the neolithic!”
Fossil fuels lifted 80% of the world’s population out of extreme poverty. Net Zero will put them back.
One place that will never achieve net zero is the nuclear submarine.
“Data collected on nine nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines indicate an average CO 2 concentration of 3,500 ppm with a range of 0-10,600 ppm,”
So at max. we have 5 times doubling of CO2 equivalent to IPCC’s lowest 2.5C for doubling yielding 12.5C on top of base present when setting out on a long underwater cruise.
So the Navy must have records that show what temperature increase they need to compensate for as temperatures increase caused by the CO2 increase. Surely that should be a reliable check on whether IPCC with their 2.5-4C or Professor Lindzen with his 1C is right for a doubling.
I suggest that perhaps Paul Homewood or somebody else with access to such information produce an article in an attempt to clarify this, the most important question to be nailed:
What global temperature change can be expected from a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere?
Asking the wrong question is pointless. Why not ask: ‘What global temperature change can be expected from a change in cloud cover?’
What is not mentioned is the massive opportunity cost this implies. All that needless spending is money (resources really) that won’t be spent on things we actually need and want. We will forego growth, wealth creation and new technologies on a global scale to pursue a fantasy.
The peasants will get poorer Phoenix but the elite will be filling their boots. In a similar vein, there’s a good article by Cris Morrison over at the ‘Daily Skeptic’ entitled ‘The Rich Get Richer as the Great Green Rush Gets Rolling’ that neatly summarises the various motivations behind the dash to ‘Year Zero’. Well worth a read.
phoenix44 . . . Perfect review . . . China laughs all the way to the bank . . . Ya wanna try protesting against pollution in China . . . ??
My issue with net zero is the policies make us more vulnerable to extreme weather .
So it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy that economic damage from extreme weather will rise. Costs of energy are already rising and essential infrastructure capacity is already challenged.
Nothing will be achieved by this futility, in fact this is the perfect political project.
In the meantime as a triple vax UK senior with several pre existing medical issues, I am trying to understand why the latest covid vaccine effectiveness report from the UK HEALTH people actually says the current vaccines offer no or little protection against Omicron. Strangely I haven’t heard that on the broadcast media.
You also won’t have heard that cases and deaths for vaxxed people are rising. The true number of deaths due to the vaccines is also being hidden by various tricks.
Totally off topic but this brought joy to my heart.
Oatly ads BANNED over misleading environmental boast that ditching dairy is good for the planet: Oat drink brand gave no evidence it ‘generated 73% less CO2’ than regular cow’s milk
The UK’s advertising watchdog has banned marketing campaign by Oatly
Advertising Standards Authority found its green claims were ‘misleading’
Swedish alt-milk brand admitted they ‘could have been more specific’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10441759/Oatly-ads-banned-misleading-environmental-claims.html
I was very pleased to see the new tv adverts promoting eating meat and drinking milk. And using a little girl as well learning from the eco-fascists playbook.
So let me get this right!
If I buy a million pounds worth of lottery tickets I might win the Euromillions jackpot?
Or I might just get a few thousand back – worth a punt?
A couple of battery car gems out there at the moment. And strangely they both involve women. A German reporter bought a VW e-Up in Wolfsburg and drove 650km to Munich. But not all at once as she made 3 charging stops even though she was dressed for the Arctic inside the car to avoid using the heater. So a nice warm diesel powered 7 hour drive became 13 hours. Apparently she could have shaved off 1.5 hours by charging for only 80% 4 times rather than going for 100%, providing a charging point was available when required.
And in California a climate activist airhead failed to realise that a 230 mile journey to a pointless rally would require 7 hours of charging before she set off and so missed the rally.
Anyone noticed how the BMW tv adverts admit that what you seeing is a battery powered car that needs plugging in somewhere?
Worst of all in this ‘Clean Green’ debate is the false point that Electric Cars are ‘Emissions Free’. Nothing could be further from the truth ! First at least 28% of the Electricity ‘Produced’ is lost charging that Electric Car . . . OHM’S LAW . . . Resistance. Second the Electricity being used comes from many sources. Th the USA, all sources combined produce 0.92 lbs of CO2 per KWH of electricity plus resistance equals 1.17 lbs per KWH. Therefore ALL Electric Cars cause at least 15% more CO2 to be burned for EVERY mile driven . . .
https://www.academia.edu/62574334/Tesla_Versus_Toyota_Camry
https://www.academia.edu/49057069/Electric_Cars_Burn_31_More_Energy_than_Gas_Cars
Science and Fact have been ‘Run Over’ by The Big Green Propaganda Machine . . .
It is often stated that these fairy dust Net Zero targets cannot be achieved without CCS. Ignoring all the false claims for its viability, people assume that this means disposing of it close to production. However, there are plans for CO2 transportation by pipeline over thousands of miles in the US: https://moodycountyenterprise.com/article/proposed-pipeline-draws-concerns-few-questions-answered
The pipeline is said to be “a carbon capture and sequestration (CCS) system that will provide biofuel producers and other industrial customers…with a long-term and cost-effective means to reduce their carbon footprint.” It would originate locally at the ethanol plant in Aurora and head south along a 1,300 mile route to an underground holding facility in Illinois.”
In 2020, a CO2 pipeline in Mississippi exploded: https://www.ecowatch.com/co2-pipeline-explosion-mississippi-2654814127.html
In February [of 2020], a CO2 pipeline exploded, engulfing Satartia, Mississippi in a noxious green fog that left residents confused, convulsing, foaming at the mouth and even unconscious — an episode that augurs danger for what could be a coming wave of new CO2 pipelines across the country, a 19-month investigation by HuffPost and the Climate Investigations Center reveals.
The reporting comes as the oil and gas industry is seeking to reinvent themselves, or at least their public image, through massive carbon capture and storage (CCS) investments that would include a whole new network of pipelines.
If and when these pipes leak, they will send clouds of CO2 (and in this specific case, poisonous hydrogen sulfide, which gave the cloud its green hue, rotten egg smell and particularly noxious respiratory impacts) into the surrounding environment, where it will displace the lighter air at ground level and threaten to cause “air hunger” and asphyxiate every oxygen-breathing organism incapable of escaping the area — made harder by the fact that gas- and diesel-powered cars also need oxygen to work.
Yazoo County Emergency Management Agency director Jack Willingham explained. “If the wind blew the other way, if it’d been later when people were sleeping, we would have had deaths.”
Imagine if this was an oil pipeline. Precautionary Principle anyone.
ALL of this to solve a problem . . . that DOES NOT EXIST . . . CO2 is now and always has been for 3.8 billion years ‘The Gift of Life’ for ALL living things on Planet Earth. Volcanoes above VEI 6 bring Global Cooling . . . Global Warming is a return to what I call ‘The Norm of Warm. History PROVES this. CO2 has NOT led or followed Climate Change during 18 cycles of warming or cooling over the last 10,000 years . . . WHY now . . . suddenly is it the cause . . . It is the ONLY thing you can NOT remove from burning Fossil Fuels . . . Sooo if your goal is to destroy the fossil fuel industry . . . point to CO2 . . . talk about 150 years of rising rates . . . pick the second coldest year in the last 10,000 years showing rising temperatures . . . You have a perfect storm . . . Man-Made climate change . . . . FALSE !!
https://www.academia.edu/51184433/Climate_Change_For_the_21_st_Century
https://www.academia.edu/49421861/CO2_Cradle_of_Life_on_Planet_Earth
PROOF comes from history . . . Hyperbole comes from protagonists with a cause, based on false assumptions and political momentum.
My Thoughts . . .
Mr LeMaistre: Your treatises aren’t really helping. The message to the believers and the politicians is very, very simple. We don’t have a dog in this race. Our (UK) emissions are neglible in the total. Whether and to what extent CO2 is contributing to climate change is IRRELEVANT. If its taking the planet down we are going with it. Our government must stop futile virtue signalling and concentrate on prosperity (needless to say, but as China does). Please be brief.
Life on Planet Earth is Nature’s Show . . .
No matter how hard we point to human intervention as being influential
. . . Nature ALWAYS brings Shock and Awe . . . And, Submission . . .
Mr. Vernon E,
If you look at ‘Totals’ the UK doesn’t have a dog in the game . . . BUT if you look at things Per sq km . . . it changes as it does with deforestation and Natural Habitat . . .
https://www.academia.edu/50913774/Global_Environmentalism_A_New_Standard
Perspective . . . Context . . . Vantage Point . . .
CO2 releases can also have natural causes, in the case of Lake Nyos killing 1746 people and 3500 cattle.
http://Www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster#:~:text=On 21 August 1986%2C a,carbon dioxide (CO2).
I wouldn’t worry too much about CO2 or GW. Within a generation (if not sooner) we will all be worrying about nuclear destruction again. The West no longer has the stomach for a fight and the East knows it.
“CO2 as a percentage of the atmosphereis 0.04 % of the total content of the atmosphere . . . 4 . . .10ths . . . of 1% . . .”
No, Jim, 0.04% is 4 …100ths of 1 %
0.1% is one tenth of one percent
0.01% is one hundredth of one percent
Good catch Susan . . . My LD showing up again . . . 😉