By Paul Homewood
h/t Ian Magness
Do people like Noreen really think that they should be permanently subsidised by taxpayers?
Heaven knows what she’ll do when she has to pay her share of fuel duty as well!
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
Fancy the gov doing that!
What a surprise.
Hypocrite. Complains about a few hundred pounds per year VED but can apparently afford a £44k motor and associated charging infrastructure etc? Why is the tax change not happening next year rather than 2025. Plus as you say they should be subject to fuel duty as well.
After 2030 being put off a new electric car will mean no new car at all.
Second hand it is then. No problem
Why would anybody buy a more expensive and simultaneously less practical electric car in the first place? Most are expensive city runabouts. The very few normal sized ones are out of the price range of most people and even these still have the range problem and long charging times.
No range problem, reallyist. Owners know their cars limits. They never drive anywhere range could be a problem.
Long charging times not a problem, either. Owners plug them in when they get home, and they are charged by the next day when they are ready to use them again.
Owners don’t let range or charging be a problem. People considering buying one might consider those things, but, once owned, they don’t push it.
Gamecock,
this may be true of a few but as business are a large percentage of new car byuers and that being a business their vehicles have to work. I see it as a huge problem for some when only evs are what can be bought in a few years time? Yes there will be many more fast chargers but being very high power comes at a high price.
“as business are a large percentage of new car byuer”
[citation needed]
Very strange usage if they only venture within one or maximum two hours actual use EVERY time they use their EV.
>>They never drive anywhere range could be a problem.
Not strange at all, reallyist. Why would they EVER drive to where range would be a problem ???
“Most are expensive city runabouts.”
Perhaps such people only ever drive within one hour radius of wherever they live and never venture outside that very small circle.
There are days where I only travel 50 km, but there are other days of 200 km and more. Some of us actually visit family and friends and/or go to shops that don’t exist near where we live.
>>Why would they EVER drive to where range would be a problem ?
“[citation needed]”
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/vehicle-licensing-statistics-2021/vehicle-licensing-statistics-2021#vehicle-keepership
“During 2021, 55.3% of cars registered for the first time had a company keeper. ” (latest available figures)
“Note that the registered keeper of a vehicle is not necessarily the person who uses it, and the vehicle is not always based at the keeper’s contact address. This is particularly true for company or fleet vehicles.”
Apocryphally, many company cars are plug-in hybrids because these attract a lower rate of tax for the user (company car drivers in the UK have to pay tax on the value of the car as though it were income, according to complex rules). But the chart on that link doesn’t really support the view with with the company/ private mix being much the same regardless of technology.
Not even close . . .
https://www.statista.com/statistics/749975/cars-bought-on-finance-by-consumers-and-businesses-uk/#:~:text=In%20the%20twelve%20months%20leading%20to%20February%202020%2C,were%20purchased%20by%20businesses%20in%20the%20same%20period.
Wait till the smart meters ramp up the cost of electricity in the evening, then watch those that fell for the fake Einstein start squirming.
Oh no! ‘Ramp up’, why why why?
“The initial high outlay….recouped in a lower cost per mile…”
So, money for nothing.
You do not “recoup” expenditure in the real world, you get a good/better/fair/poor deal for your money.
We’ve all been there and, now, so is Noreen. My vital organs bleed for her.
These people who think they’ve been conned – what did they expect? Wear and tear on the roads is still happening – it’s irrelevant what fuel you use. A lot of new electric vehicles are much bigger and heavier – and uglier! – than small cars. The state of UK roads is pretty appalling. In fact, many of these vehicles don’t fit in a standard car parking space. They are still generating particulates from brakes and tyres – these are as, if not more, harmful than emissions from a modern car. I’m a little peeved I must admit. I’ve never bought a new car. I’m running two – tiny – 1600cc Honda petrol cars – one is 1992, the other 1996. I do under three thousand miles a year in each, on E5 fuel plus they are regularly serviced and kept up together. Why should I pay a whopping annual road duty of £295 for each car for so little mileage? I think there should be a base tax for all – quite a low figure – and then a charge for mileage on private and light goods licenced vehicles. This makes much more sense. Mot certificates record a car’s mileage per annum so it would be relatively easy to police. Let’s help people who use vans for business though – especially if they are self-employed. In a town, this makes good sense to have an electric vehicle for business purposes.
“Wear and tear on the roads is still happening – it’s irrelevant what fuel you use”
Not quite: battery cars are heavier.
Since the mileage of every vehicle is recorded on the MoT, it would be simple to calculate the average mileage for all the vehicles in the UK. Scrap the Road Tax, and increase the petrol/diesel tax to cover this loss in revenue. Small mileage = small tax.
Alternative arrangements are required for EVs.
EVs are certainly heavier, but few are actually bigger (or even the same size) as normal size petrol and diesel vehicles. Just look at all those expensive, electric city runabouts.
>>A lot of new electric vehicles are much bigger and heavier –
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/18/electric-car-owners-have-duped-big-government/
” [T]he main reason for their apparently low running costs is that these vehicles are excused from the hefty taxes levied on petrol and diesel models. Once electric cars are brought into the realm of vehicle excise duty a different picture will start to emerge.”
The writer forgot to mention the £10K purchase cost differential
Poor Noreen believed a politician’s promise. Oh dear, how silly.
From a few years ago: “Suck it up Butter Cup.”
Oh dear, ‘ow sad. Never mind. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Does anyone believe Hunt’s claim that “a greater proportion of cars on the road are now electric”. Really? Who are all those people in increasingly impoverished Britain who can afford them? Basically, he can say anything as absolutely no one is going to challenge him.
Why the weasel-talk – “…a greater proportion of…electric [plug-in vehicles]…” instead of giving the actual numbers? So as not to let-on how FEW there are in the U.K. – 748,000 out of 40,100,000 at the end of December, 2021 according to Government records of licenses. There are some unlicensed vehicles on the road belonging to the poor and criminal – but these will generally be fossil fuelled. So the proportion of electrics at present is probably something like 1 in 50. My guess is that this will be 1 in 25 in 2026, if the whole scam has not unravelled by then.
“…absoulutely no one is going to challenge him…”
Not in Parliament, that is for sure.
New registrations of cars in the UK this year to November are
Petrol 582,793
Diesel 73,700
BEVs 195,547
Then a mish- mash of hybrid types of EV
Mild Hybrid EV (petrol) 188,479
Mild Hybrid EV (diesel) 61,524
Hybrid EV 158,139
Plug in Hybrid EV 82,860
So if you wanted to be economical with the truth you could claim ‘electric’ vehicles (686,549) are outselling ICE (656,493) even though 491,000 of those ‘electric’ vehicles are not fully electric.
Any state/country forcing people to buy an EV when they want a new car will only increase the value of used ICE cars. Car mechanics will become idolized.
New ICE car sales will boom a year or two before the drop dead date and finding one will be difficult and expensive. All of these factors will accelerate when EVs fail to keep up with the demand due to material shortages. Charging will become a nightmare for people without space to provide it at home. Electricity will become rationed. Failings of public transportation will be multiplied. It won’t be a pretty picture.
Stock up on parts for your ICE car, while you can. Whatever could break in 25 years. Get a couple of engine control modules.
UK will become Cuba. Vast numbers of well maintained antiques.
And you still won’t vote out these swamp creatures.
” And you still won’t vote out these swamp creatures. ”
What realistic choice is there in the UK? I want a pragmatic government that doesn’t rely on beliefs and emotions. I want a Prime Minister who can effectively chair the cabinet. I want cabinet ministers who have demonstrable expertise to justify their position.
The current mob are an incompetent rabble.
It’s worse than that – they’re either crooks on the gravy train or useful idiots who know it’s all rubbish but keep their heads down at our expense.
That applies to ALL parties. They are only pretending to be different by having different names.
“TINO” (Tories in name only) describes the current Conservative party
>>The current mob are an incompetent rabble.
That seems to be what the politicians who hate their own populations actually want. It’s not only those pretending to be “Conservatives”; look at the other political parties. Also don’t ‘t forget the EU Commission and the United Nations
>> will become Cuba
And WEF and WHO!
The end of new ICE vehicles will just not happen. The present set of parliamentary representatives, and the associated so-called civil servants in the pay of a global elite, will have been replaced and the Net Zero policy will have died as realism and affordability issues dominate future policy making.
Sapper2,
as the arabs say, ‘inshallah’, just hope there is a god.
Sorry, but I fear you’re mistaken. This lot will be replaced by a similar lot. All that will change is the name of the party. As somebody somewhere else said, they’re all just civil servants in the WEF now.
Why would they change their name? The green socialists we have now still call themselves conservative.
David V, I was referring to the next election, where Labour get in but nothing changes.
The political parties just need to be honest and merge and stop pretending to be different from each other. All of them are infected with the “green” and “climate” scaremongering and hatred of their own populations and businesses.
Replaced by whom?
No party that’s likely to win a significant number of seats in Parliament, has different policies.
Latest Skoda small sporty hatch EV, thick end of £60k by the time you add a few options, gotta laugh.
Meanwhile, in the increasingly schizophrenic output of the Daily Mail, of late lots of ridiculous stories about sea level rise and drowning coasts, they have this article on the destruction of the landscape and the human misery of wind farms.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11446049/Why-POWERLESS-stop-wind-farms-Testimonies-people-forced-live-turbine-shadows.html
I have been wondering how long it would be before it dawns on the wider public that the idea is not to go electric, it’s to have no vehicle at all.
By the way, is our government banning the import of ICE vehicles? I’ve seen nothing on this. I’ll bubblewrap a couple of Citroen diesel Picassos for my grandchildren.
Why should Noreen expect the poorer end of society, who can’t afford an EV, to keep subsidising her?
“…the poorer…to keep subsidising her?”
In the words of the Roman Admiral in ‘Ben Hur’ to the slave rowers*, “We keep you alive to serve this ship!” One of the few jokes in the film comes later, when Ben Hur and the Admiral are on a small piece offloating wreckage and the Admiral tries to throw himself into the sea; Ben Hur hauls him back and says, “I keep you alive to serve this ship!”
* The Roman Imperial Navy did not use slave rowers, actually.
Do EV drivers really believe the Govt will forgo all that tax paid by motorists just because they have an EV?
Anyone who can afford £60k for a car can well afford to pay both Road Tax and the Expensive Car Supplement.
“Cars with a list price of more than £40,000 when new attract an extra £355 annual charge on the standard rate for five years.
How the average man on the street will afford an EV remains to be seen, Unless prices drop car manufacturers will be building cars no one can afford,
The big money is in the tax breaks.
According to the SMMT, two thirds of EV sales are for business use. Hardly surprising when the company car driver can save at least £4-5000 pa in tax. Plus, aiui, there are financial benefits for the employer purchasing the car.
The reductions in the tax take on fuel and VED are minor in comparison.
I believe in electric vehicles – when their time comes. My dream is a car with an ethanol-powered fuel cell and with a motor in each wheel.
Costing less than a fuel powered equivalent of course.
Sorry to keep on …..but these things are battery cars!
I wonder how a battery car would cope with the flooded roads around my neck of the woods – or flooded fields in this case.
As for towing a 2.65 ton trailer with a nose weight of 130kg from southern England to the Lake District…
If someone could suggest which EV I need to buy to replace my Landrover Discovery 4 3.0 v6 diesel?
I should have said…towing it in a day.
You can also et me know the choice of EV’s that can tow the same trailer to, say, the Dordognes with just 1 overnight stop.
Even WITHOUT a trailer, would the EV get there the same day?
>>As for towing a 2.65 ton trailer with a nose weight of 130kg from southern England to the Lake District…