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Vegan menu leaves Cambridge council with leftovers

January 26, 2023

By Paul Homewood

With Edinburgh having just committed to axing meat from all its schools, the burghers of Cambridge seem distinctly unimpressed with their City Council’s vegan agenda!




Last year, when Cambridge city council voted to phase out serving meat and dairy at events and provide vegan alternatives, it was praised for leading the way on climate action.

But the plan has hit a big problem at the first hurdle: people do not want the food.

At the first civic event since the vote, a council report has revealed the vegan menu went down so badly that almost all of the food remained uneaten and had to be thrown away causing “significant food waste”.

It noted that only one in ten attendees tried the vegan options and some guests were left hungry because there was “an insufficient amount of food available that people wanted to eat”.


The Burghers apparently would prefer to have Burgers!

  1. January 26, 2023 5:55 pm

    Those fungi would be great with a nice rare Sirloin and a good bottle of Primitivo!

    • AZ1971 permalink
      January 26, 2023 8:54 pm

      … medium rare New York strip and French Bordeaux for me, good sir.

  2. Nigel Sherratt permalink
    January 26, 2023 5:55 pm

    Similar initiative in Faversham, we voted out the Conservatives in 2019 (clean sweep) which was (briefly!) exciting. I went to a town council meeting where it was agreed that menus at town ‘functions’ would be vegan although they agreed to exempt staff and visitors from our twin town in France. Pointed out that whilst saving the planet the (electric) heating in the Guildhall was set so high that they were sitting there in their shirtsleeves in October. They had the good grace to look slightly shamefaced.

    • catweazle666 permalink
      January 26, 2023 8:39 pm

      “it was agreed that menus at town ‘functions’ would be vegan”


      • Nigel Sherratt permalink
        January 26, 2023 9:29 pm

        Because the council was taken over by LibDems and Labs keen to save the world.

      • Nigel Sherratt permalink
        January 27, 2023 11:31 am

        Faversham Town Council serves only vegan food at its events.

        “I always believe in leading by example and bringing the Climate emergency to the forefront of the council’s priorities was a strong drive for me and something I am very proud to be a part of. There are many changes that we, as a council, can do to work towards carbon neutrality and encouraging and inspiring the wider community to make positive changes. Adopting 100% plant based catering for Town Council event’s is a really important step to achieve our targets and I am pleased to have been a part of this debate.”

        – Councillor Chris Williams, chair of the Climate and Biodiversity Committee, Faversham Town Council

      • catweazle666 permalink
        January 27, 2023 1:47 pm

        Ah, PETA – People Eating Tasty Animals!

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      January 27, 2023 12:04 pm

      What possible value is there in in this Twinning nonsense? Bringing bureaucrats over from France was done without emissions was it?

    • Ray Sanders permalink
      January 27, 2023 12:29 pm

      Just looked up his declaration of interests, he’s a vegan whilst his wife is part of Macknade Fine Foods…..I’ve bought quite a bit of meat from the butchers there!

  3. January 26, 2023 5:57 pm

    That’s the price you pay for virtue signalling 🤣🤣

    • Tonyb permalink
      January 26, 2023 8:03 pm

      I am a life long vegetarian. Vegan food is mostly awful quite apart from any healthy dietary considerations-protein etc.

      Much Vegetarian food is nice as it includes cheese eggs dairy and milk. Without those ingredients most vegan food is tasteless. Its not helped that many vegans believe they are saving the planet and can be rather evangelistic and self entitled.

      There are a small number of pleasant vegan meals but any eater that thinks a pizza is improved by Soya ‘sheese’ is beyond help

      • Ben Vorlich permalink
        January 27, 2023 7:32 am

        As you say there are a lot of very tasty meat free meals.
        My son has never eaten meat, he spat it out when he was 2 years old. He doesn’t like the taste or feel of meat in his mouth. It was a nightmare feeding him until we started making meals with sauces where some could be added to meat and some a meat free alternative. He liked fish and one of his brothers didn’t which did mean fish and homemade burgers quite often

        He has the additional problem that his partner is gluten intolerant and his children like meat. He uses the same solution for meals although they do have a lot of meat free meals.

    • Phil O'Sophical permalink
      January 27, 2023 10:44 am

      “That’s the price you pay for virtue signalling.”

      It’s the price THEY make US pay for THEIR virtue signalling (to their echo chamber), and they care not.

  4. Stephen Lord permalink
    January 26, 2023 6:07 pm

    Michele obama tried the same thing with school lunches . No kids would eat them

    • Mad Mike permalink
      January 26, 2023 6:28 pm

      It’s a form of bullying.

      Maybe they should inform attendees before hand that they might be offended by the offering but that counsellors would be available to help them through the ordeal and help recognise their colonial privilege which has conditioned them to think of meat as food.

    • Gamecock permalink
      January 26, 2023 9:25 pm

      10-4, Stephen.

      Michelle thought she knew better than the local school nutritionists. The kids didn’t care what she thought.

      • catweazle666 permalink
        January 26, 2023 10:07 pm

        Please Lord, preserve us from do-gooding nutritionists!

      • Phoenix44 permalink
        January 27, 2023 12:06 pm

        Food is always more nutritious and better for you than no food.

  5. Chris Morris permalink
    January 26, 2023 6:18 pm

    We had a more striking example at work. They generally put on bacon butties, sausage rolls and cream/ jam scones to get staff to attend meetings where the management talks to the troops. The only way they can get people to turn up. One boss, IIRC from HR, ordered the meeting to be supplied with vegan food, carrot sticks and the like. As most people filed into the room, they saw the food, then decided they had more important stuff to do elsewhere, so left. A very poorly attended meeting. But it never happened again

  6. marlene permalink
    January 26, 2023 6:18 pm

    “The Burghers apparently would prefer to have Burgers!” Don’t we all! Let the Davosers eat the vegan ugly. We want the best protein there is – meat.

    • Dave Ward permalink
      January 26, 2023 6:58 pm

      “We want the best protein there is – meat”

      The EU have other ideas:

      “Cricket protein is nutritionally more efficient, high performing and complete. It is a reliable and sustainable source of alternative protein that does not harm the planet (My Bold)

      • Chaswarnertoo permalink
        January 26, 2023 7:39 pm

        Dear EUSSR, FOAD.

      • January 26, 2023 7:51 pm

        Rather surprisingly crickets are not vegan. Pretty sure vegans don’t eat crickets either.

      • marlene permalink
        January 26, 2023 8:21 pm

        Replying to Dave Ward: They’re not trying to not harm the planet. They’re trying to limit whatever “harm” they claim by getting rid of us useless eaters, so they can continue with their cow farts, fuel-guzzling planes, industrial pollution, and, well…everything they themselves won’t give up. It’s our sacrifice, not theirs. Thanks for the link. I read the article somewhere else, but will check out yours.

      • jimiam permalink
        January 27, 2023 4:12 pm

        Just not cricket is it?

  7. William Bray permalink
    January 26, 2023 6:20 pm

    Why do cows fart a lot? Because they are vegans. If you force people into eating vegan food they will replace the cows in adding noxious gases to the atmosphere. I don’t know what the proportion of cows to humans is, but there would be an awful lot of bodily produced gases if you force people into eating vegan food.

    • January 27, 2023 6:51 am

      Not sure about that, cows can and do digest grass, but humans cannot, that difference is probably significant.

      • January 27, 2023 11:10 am

        If I am correct, humans still process the equipment to process grass but it no longer works since we found better things to eat thousands of years ago.

  8. John Palmer permalink
    January 26, 2023 6:32 pm

    I don’t mind vegans occasionally – but I certainly couldn’t eat a whole one🙄

    • marlene permalink
      January 26, 2023 8:22 pm


    • catweazle666 permalink
      January 26, 2023 8:35 pm

      They’re very stringy with a bitter aftertaste.

      Not recommended.

    • January 27, 2023 6:54 am

      I like vegans, when they visit they decline offers of tea and coffee, knowing that cows milk is the only additive on offer.

  9. Harry Passfield permalink
    January 26, 2023 6:54 pm

    Such nonsense (from the Council). Veganism is virtually a religion. Would the Council tell Muslims they can’t eat halal food; Jews to eat pork; vegetarians to eat meat? No!!

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      January 26, 2023 6:58 pm

      …furthermore, if we are to be ‘told’ that a certain regime has to be followed then there has to be proper outcomes and deliverables that are measurable – or else.

    • January 27, 2023 6:56 am

      I would say that veganism should be classed as a mental illness, it often involves frantic efforts to avoid the ingestion of just one molecule derived from an animal.

      • Messenger permalink
        January 27, 2023 9:37 am

        I heard an ad on Classic FM for a vegan -friendly mattress. I had no idea that vegans ate them.

      • January 27, 2023 11:31 am

        Perhaps that’s the reason for their miserable demeanour?

    • January 27, 2023 11:11 am

      Of course not Mr Passfield. Normal white Christians are a minority now in this country – or so it seems from the TV adverts.

  10. January 26, 2023 7:00 pm

    This whole vegan racket is not only one more bit of marxist promoted garbage it is life threatening unless supervised. More virtue signalling with other peoples lives by abject cowards and political chances based on absolutely no science of any kind. The mentally disturbed followers of climate madness trying to inflict their masochistic tendencies on others. Isn’t that sadism?
    Humans are not able to survive on a vegan diet. I saw this crap a couple of years ago being pushed after New year. But what was peculiar was that all the supermarkets were running with it. They completely skipped over vegetarian food and went straight for freakshow veginazi fundamentalism. Not one poster warned that this was unsuitable for children period, and also adults without professional supervision.
    I remember my father a doctor, telling my mother about reporting a mother one day back in the 60’s for imposing her flower power madness on her daughter. He congratulated the mother on creating the first new case of rickets in the area in more than 35 years and then formally warned her that he was obliged to report her for endangering the health of her child. He said to her something like “As an adult I can only advise you on the foolhardiness of this diet but in the case of your daughter a minor, I have a duty of care towards her and I am duty bound to report you for your actions.

    • malcolm fraser permalink
      January 26, 2023 7:10 pm

      A good man.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      January 26, 2023 7:28 pm

      I often think that these ‘Marxist-promoted garbage’ ploys are very simple bait-and-switch exercises: while we’re picking holes in their ludicrous ideas and laughing at them they are busy slipping in some other, more serious nonsense, while we are being distracted. The ploy often ends with a trade: we’ll stop the (nonsense) if we can have (the real agenda item).

    • marlene permalink
      January 26, 2023 8:24 pm

      Wow! Awesome comment. I agree with you 100%. How times have changed – for the worse. Thanks for sharing.

    • John Hultquist permalink
      January 27, 2023 3:09 am

      About 1976 we were invited to dinner (unknown to us) that was vegan. The couple had 2 young girls — scrawny.
      Knowing what I do now, I think I would have asked the proper authorities to investigate.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      January 27, 2023 12:14 pm

      I have a horrible feeling that the endemic stupidity of many Woke young people is caused by a lack of fat in their diets as children and hence incomplete development of their brains. Children require a far higher percentage of fat in their diets than adults in order to build myelin sheaths on neurons. Virtually no-one knows this. The web promotes fats from anything but meat using the spurious grounds that avocado fat is “similar” to myelin fat but this is nonsense. Animal fat is at least as good and children up to 2 need around 50% of their diet to be fat. After that, children continue to need plenty of fat in their diet as their brains continue to develop until their mid to late 20s.

      • Ray Sanders permalink
        January 27, 2023 1:16 pm

        Hi Phoenix, from memory you are well qualified in this field whilst I am very much not. However I do recall when my daughter opted to go vegan I did look up some possible deficiencies, one notable one being vitamin B12. Following your reference to Myelin sheaths I notice that B12 is also critical to their formation so a potential double whammy. Am I right in this?

      • JohnM permalink
        January 27, 2023 4:36 pm

        When I was a boy my favourite snack was dripping toast. I am now 86 years, fit mentally and physically.

  11. JohnnieH permalink
    January 26, 2023 7:09 pm

    Much vegan food is highly processed, and comes from the laboratory rather than the farm. There’s a bit of sense in vegetarianism, but veganism is unnatural. And what do vegans think would happen to farm animals if the whole world followed their creed? One thing is certain – they wouldn’t be enjoying a happy retirement!

  12. January 26, 2023 7:48 pm

    I’m not a vegan, but am a vegetarian.* My experience of buffet lunches is that the carnivores quickly devour the limited vegetarian options (no I am not talking about sticks of celery). Then when I saunter to the table I see a nice array of bits of dead animal for me to choose from.

    Meanwhile, anyone who has not had a nice vegan meal really hasn’t tried very hard, have they?

    *With thanks to John Gummer.

    • Hivemind permalink
      January 26, 2023 9:43 pm

      A ‘nice’ vegan meal is an oxymoron.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      January 27, 2023 12:19 pm

      Says the person avoiding the best and most nutritious source of food for no good reason. The most important building blocks of our body are protein and fat. They require essential amino acids and essential fatty acids that are very difficult to source from a vegetarian diet.

      It’s almost as if we evolved as omnivores…

      • Vernon E permalink
        January 27, 2023 1:13 pm

        Maybe its because we evolved as omnivores that led to humanoids being the most successful species on the planet.

  13. Ray Sanders permalink
    January 26, 2023 9:21 pm

    This demonstrates the steady infiltration into positions of control by the “green blob”. Here it is dictating what we eat but in Oxford and Canterbury (more will follow) it is where we can travel.
    Think of this guy Nicholas Thurston.
    He was Canterbury area spokesperson for Extinction Rebellion and actively engaged in blocking roads. He was openly critical of the City Council’s Chief Executive (particularly his car park plans), anti Brexit and fully in favour of declaring climate emergencies. A grade A star twat.
    And now? Canterbury City Council climate Change Officer on nearly £50k pa.
    This really is like gangrene.

    • January 27, 2023 11:19 am

      In the Mail yesterday was a big piece on the Oxford traffic lunacy and how it has brought violence to the streets as drivers remove the cones and signs to drive through while some residents try to block them. It has set street against street and businesses have seen takings drop by 25% as their road becomes a queue of traffic. The council – where councillors are being threatened and are running scared which is a good implementation of ‘war is the pursuit of politics by other means’ – are claiming that the plan is not to segregate the city in to 6 zones but them councillors and senior officers are often liars. And also in the paper was Hackney’s plan to close 75% of its streets to traffic with more of these stupid Low Traffic Neighbourhoods. Have worked with these sort of morons who think the streets are some sort of leisure playground as opposed to what they are designated for in law which is ‘passing and repassing’, also known as traffic.

      • Vernon E permalink
        January 27, 2023 1:18 pm

        I posted earlier that I had the worst motoring experience of my life trying to find my way back to the ring road after visiting one of the main hospitals in Oxford. It was early evening, dark and raining and having to reverse long distances between cars parked on residential streets was a nightmare. My satnav just gave up and kept sending me into evermore street closeures. Insanity.

  14. Gamecock permalink
    January 26, 2023 9:28 pm

    It is only speciesist vegetarians that bother me.

    Them peas they are eating are as every bit alive as the chickens other people eat.

    Humans survive by eating other living things. Period.

  15. Micky R permalink
    January 26, 2023 9:59 pm

    I like eating pig.

    The only part of a pig that can’t be eaten is the squeak.

  16. Ann farmer permalink
    January 26, 2023 10:08 pm

    Copy of letter to Express:

    WEF: let them eat grubs?

    As wealthy globalists and their political sidekicks gather at Davos for the World Economic Forum’s great lamentation about how the poor are killing the Planet, it has been suggested that we need to stop eating meat in order to save the environment

    – indeed, in the ‘great reset’ envisaged by the WEF, it has been proposed that people should instead eat algae, seaweed, cacti and even insects.

    With attendees flocking in on their private jets to this annual elitist’s beanfeast, w

    it is unlikely that many beans will be eaten, and even fewer insects. St John the Baptist, it should be noted, existed on honey as well as locusts, and even Marie Antoinette, not exactly famed for her care for the poor, was said to have remarked when told they had no bread, ‘Let them eat cake’.

    Despite their avowed enthusiasm for the poor, the French revolutionaries were not exactly bowled over by this approach, soon after cutting off her head; however, today’s revolutionaries would even deny the poor the right to eat cake – for the sake of our health, naturally.

    The French revolutionaries, although bloodthirsty in the extreme, saw the rich as the enemy, whereas today’s ghastly globalist ‘green’ revolutionaries see the poor as the enemy, perhaps explaining why abortion figures so highly on their agenda.

    Clearly it was a ‘lightbulb moment’ when these ‘philanthropists’ realised that the poor were killing the Planet; perhaps only when they need to change a lightbulb and there is no poor person to hand, will they realise the folly of their death-dealing agenda; however, long before this they will likely begrudge us eating grubs and ban us from eating grub altogether.

    Yours faithfully,

    Ann Farmer.


    • Gamecock permalink
      January 27, 2023 1:01 pm

      Has WEF released the menus from their recent confab?

      Betcha they weren’t eating roaches.

  17. Ray Sanders permalink
    January 26, 2023 10:19 pm

    Just heard that Duncan (fed on raw meat thrown to him from the crowds) Ferguson has taken over the manager’s job at Forest (Vegan) Green (of course) Rovers. Appointed by Dale (new age traveller and con man) Vince. Someone better let Dale know about Duncan’s previous and not let on that he is just as likely to grab you by the throat (Jason MacAteer) and bite chunks out of you or even
    ” Ferguson’s worst moment in terms of discipline on the football pitch came when he headbutted Raith Rovers’ John McStay whilst playing for Rangers. He was served a 12-game ban and was sent to prison for three months after getting charged with assault.”
    However, big Dunc does know how to give us all a good laugh – he says he might try going vegan to “fit in” better!

    • Micky R permalink
      January 27, 2023 7:09 am

      There’s more than one burglar who regretted trying to burgle Duncan Ferguson’s home.

    • January 27, 2023 11:21 am

      I always cheer when I see that Forest Green Rovers have lost again. Looking forward to their relegation.

  18. GeorgeLet permalink
    January 26, 2023 11:17 pm

    If it wasn’t such a huge scam with peoples money, it would make a funny marks brothers movie

  19. Douglas Dragonfly permalink
    January 27, 2023 12:19 am

    Welcome to the new normal.
    You will have little ( in this case protein ),
    and like it !

  20. January 27, 2023 7:08 am

    I read that crushed insects are being added to some pasta and pizzas, it will be popcorn time when the vegans find out.

  21. Messenger permalink
    January 27, 2023 9:41 am

    I heard an ad on Classic FM for a vegan -friendly mattress. I had no idea that vegans ate them.

    • January 27, 2023 11:22 am

      Perhaps the springs will help them get some iron although not sure how that works with steel.

    • bnice2000 permalink
      January 27, 2023 11:23 am

      I had no idea that normal mattresses had meat in them !

    • Gamecock permalink
      January 27, 2023 1:03 pm

      Hmmm . . . are they also gluten free?

  22. Phil O'Sophical permalink
    January 27, 2023 11:24 am

    Off topic, but still on ‘green’ issues. Advice please.

    I have refused to engage with the constant hectoring from my energy company to have a ‘Smart Meter’ installed.

    They have sinisterly changed tack. All their communications and website are redolent of primary school – lots of colours and cartoons, flames with smiley faces, etc. – and juvenile mateyness.

    In their latest missive, they now say my meter has reached the end of its life and they need (sic) to replace it with a new one.

    It’s just a passive electronic counter that could go on for decades.

    I think their ‘need’ is to get their government roll-out sweetener. They explain the ‘benefits’ – none of which I need or are really benefits – but obviously none of the sinister big brother aspects. And why try to persuade me if it is a mere practical hardware issue?

    But here’s the patronising clincher that this is duplicity: a carrot. I get a reward (like a dog completing a trick for its master): a free Costa Coffee £2.50 eGift or option to plant a tree. Seriously!

    The letter arrived yesterday but here’s the proof it is a scam being pushed on everyone who refuses. They refer to MY meter coming to the end of its life, as if it is just a necessity for me. But the letter says that to claim the free gift I must have the meter installed by 31st Dec 2022. So it has cleary been rolled-out, to coin a phrase, to thousands and for some time.

    Does anyone know – can they force it on me?

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      January 27, 2023 12:23 pm

      Not yet, but these things always end in coercion.

      I am 100% certain that we will be forced to have one within 2 years.

      • Russ Wood permalink
        January 29, 2023 12:57 pm

        I used to live in Randburg, a suburb of Johannesburg, South Africa. We were forced to swap our old “meter man” read electricity meters for the Brand! New! remotely read meters, with the added ‘advantage’ that the council could shut down our hot water geyser if they needed to. All OK, until the company that was meant to read the meters via cell or something went broke. So, for some months, one bloke was driving around in a car with an antenna sticking out of the window, reading the meters via a “Bluetooth (TM)” communications channel. OK, but then something WENT WRONG! And all the Bluetooth gadgets (which are transmitter/receivers) started TRANSMITTING uncontrollably. This jammed every Bluetooth frequency in the suburb, so that car remote controls, garage remotes, almost ANYTHING that used the (public and open) Bluetooth frequencies just stopped working! It took nearly two weeks before the system owners figured out what was happening, and remotely reprogrammed all of the electricity meters. Of course, after THAT, the meters didn’t work at all, so for the two years until we moved, all our meter readings were guessed by the council. ‘Smart Meters’ – HAH!

    • Ray Sanders permalink
      January 27, 2023 12:50 pm

      No as yet they cannot force you. However, they are cleverly passing legislation where if you have alterations to your internal wiring you must have one. For example since 1st January, you have to have a smart meter if you want to claim the grant to have a car charger installed. Soon if you have any appliance rated higher than can be connected to a ring main (for example an instant electric shower) that will also be conditional on a smart meter.
      Ultimately the authorities want electrical inspections every 5 years to be mandatory on the grounds of “safety” which will be their excuse to insist on a smart meter to control loading across “the system”.
      Another angle is lower tariffs (i.e. increased tariffs for those non compliant) dependent on smart meters.
      Hold out as long as you can but they are determined to get you in the end.

    • John189 permalink
      January 27, 2023 5:06 pm

      When telling my supplier that I didn’t want a smart meter the gentleman I was speaking to asked me where my current meters were. When I told him that electricity was by the front door but gas was 30 feet away on the other side of the house he replied that my house was therefore not suitable for a smart meter. If this is true, ordinary meters must still be available to install, otherwise people like me would need an expensive reconfiguration of the supply.

      • Ray Sanders permalink
        January 27, 2023 7:57 pm

        The issue there is the distance between the gas and electricity meters. The electricity meter signals over the mains electricity supply, the gas meter signals via the electricity meter so if too far away it cannot send its RF signal to it. Daft I know but the reality is nobody cares about gas smart meters, all they really are concerned with is electricity ones.

  23. Phoenix44 permalink
    January 27, 2023 12:25 pm

    We have given free rein to the absurdly bossy and self-righteous to inflict anything their dim little minds want on us. Climate change can be sued to justify anything by anybody, exactly as religion used to be able to do. Our freedoms a re further curtailed every day and we do nothing.

    • Gamecock permalink
      January 27, 2023 2:41 pm

      Climate change works in mysterious ways.

  24. Michael permalink
    January 27, 2023 12:36 pm

    I loathe the way these scum try to ram their dumb religon down our throats. But if you vote one the turds out of office you just end up with a different bunch of potatoes instead

  25. Mad Mike permalink
    January 27, 2023 1:06 pm

    Back in the real world, I’ve just received this from the Grid. It’s about the “unlikely” power cuts this winter.

    “Dear Priority Services Register customer
    In recent months there has been speculation in the newspapers and on television about the prospect of “power sharing” or planned power cuts this winter in the unlikely scenario of a national energy shortage this winter. We are writing to all the customers on our Priority Services Register to help you prepare for winter.
    While this winter is expected to be challenging, there is no guarantee emergency measures will be necessary. National Grid ESO’s view remains that there will be adequate electricity supplies through the winter. Power sharing would only be used as a very last resort after all other options have been exhausted.

    Power cuts might be uncommon, but they can happen all-year-round so it’s important you are prepared and know what to do.
    Emergency power cuts are unlikely to happen, but if they do it is important you know:
    You will have no power for at least three hours at a time, once or twice a day.
    Priority Services Register customers will lose power in an emergency. Being on the Priority Services Register does not offer you any protection from the national power cuts.
    Your gas boiler, heat pump, broadband and home phone will not work during the power cut.
    Due to the national scale of the power cuts, UK Power Networks cannot supply generators/backup power to customers for these emergencies.
    To prepare you should:
    Find your block letter (and rota, when published) at
    Keep a mobile phone fully charged (if you have one) so you can use it to go online for updates or call if you have a power cut.
    Keep a torch handy in case you are without power during the night.
    Have warm clothes, blankets and food which doesn’t need heating accessible.
    In the unlikely event you do ever experience a power cut call 105 or visit the 105 website for more advice on what to do.”

    This is advice from the suppliers of electricity in one of the most advanced societies in the World. Ross Clark summed the situation up well the other day. The UK is in terminal decline. I would ask the last person to leave to please put the lights out but it is doubtful they would need to.

    • Vernon E permalink
      January 27, 2023 1:26 pm

      Mike: I have posted earlier about my concern that there is no mention of “sharing” (aka load shedding) for commerce and industry. I have an indirect interest in a new medium/heavy industrial project in the north (about 80 MW). I have cautioned against reliance on the grid. What do you think?

      • January 27, 2023 2:25 pm

        When George Waffen Bush used the word “sharing” just before the crash, he meant asset-forfeiture of homes because plant leaves.

      • Mad Mike permalink
        January 27, 2023 3:47 pm

        Vernon, I’m no expert but if your new venture needs 80MWH then you will need something pretty reliable, that’s obvious, and capacious. You could go down the renewables road or fossil fuel generation which would be more reliable. Renewables have their own problems, as we know, but for this type of project, you would need long duration battery backup as well. Lithium has all sorts of problems as we’ve discussed here and many of them will become very apparent in to coming years. It is also for fairly short duration cycles. Vanadium flow batteries have a longer duration, up to 12 hours, which should get you through most blackouts. Cost is a problem here but there is one company, Invinity, that has linked up with Siemens to produce a grid scale unit that should be about 50% cheaper per KWH with longer duration I believe and it comes on stream later this year. If you are interested in this approach they will start of with large scale pilot project which might align with your timescale. The fantasists are talking about battery storage for the Grid as a whole which is a nonsense but for individual projects it might be an answer.

        Ultimately you at the mercy of the Grid unless you want to generate all your electricity yourself. If they decide to close you down for days there’s not much you can do I would have thought. None of your options sound cheap. Good luck.

      • catweazle666 permalink
        January 27, 2023 9:01 pm

        Diesel backup generation would be my choice.

  26. January 27, 2023 2:11 pm

    I was watching an interview Tucker Carlson did with one of you countrymen posted recently, but done in May, 2022.

    Although the topic was not about eating habits, at one point she said “just as there is no such thing as a vegan cat”. Tucker was doubled over laughing as was I.
    In the early 1990’s, my niece and her husband, living in California, acquired a cat. The place where they got Willie, was dancing all around telling them that he needed meat and not vegetables. Apparently, many of the nut cases in that state were trying to pass their vegetarian life-style onto their cats. They assured the vet that they were carnivores and so would Willie be.

    • Russ Wood permalink
      January 29, 2023 1:04 pm

      I’d like to see a ‘vegan’ cat-owners face the first time their pet brings home a dead mouse or bird as a present for them. After all, isn’t it said (by Sir Terry) that “a cat will catch mice or birds and eat NEARLY all of them”?

      • January 29, 2023 1:18 pm

        Hudson brings the voles and bunnies to the porch just in front of the door. He also brings moles which are not eaten by him. I refer to that area as “the killing ground”.

        I belong to a statewide FB page. A militant anti-cat, amateur bird photographer posted that cats should not be outside as they caught birds. I countered that Hudson went out in the day and it was natural. He replied with an article from the Smithsonian Magazine (let the buyer beware of that publication) on the “morality of cats”….kid you not. My comeback (and last dealing w/ this gentleman) was to tell him that I had a pair of red-shouldered hawks on my property and often found circles of bird feathers from the mostly mourning doves they had devoured, or even bunnies. I asked his opinion about the morality of the hawks… was crickets chirping.

  27. January 27, 2023 2:23 pm

    So? Pass a law forcing them to eat cake!

  28. 2hmp permalink
    January 27, 2023 2:56 pm

    What a good idea to reduce food costs – don’t supply any food.

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