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The Maui Wildfires

August 15, 2023
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By Paul Homewood

 

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Unprecedented wildfires burning on the Hawaiian island of Maui have displaced thousands of residents, destroyed parts of a centuries-old town, and killed at least 96 people.

The disaster is one of the deadliest US wildfires in recent years.

The fast-moving fires, fanned by the winds of a distant hurricane, exploded overnight and moved so quickly that some residents jumped into the ocean to escape the flames and smoke. Crews are continuing to battle the fires, which have burnt through multiple neighborhoods, including the historic town of Lahaina.

“We just had the worst disaster I’ve ever seen. All of Lahaina is burnt to a crisp. It’s like an apocalypse,” said Mason Jarvi, a Lahaina resident who escaped.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/09/hawaii-wildfires-maui-explainer?ref=upstract.com

The Climate Establishment has been desperate to blame the tragic Maui fires on climate change, even though there is no evidence of this whatsoever. The fires were fanned by the strong winds brought from Hurricane Dora hundreds of miles away, at a time of year when vegetation is always parched.

So the Guardian leaps on board with this irresponsible and untruthful claim:

The climate crisis, driven by fossil fuel use, is increasing the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events, including wildfires like the ones Maui is grappling with.

Climate change not only increases the fire risk by driving up temperatures, but also makes stronger hurricanes more likely. In turn, those storms could fuel stronger wind events like the one behind the Maui fires.

The situation in Hawaii recalled scenes of devastation elsewhere in the world this summer, as wildfires caused by record heat forced the evacuation of tens of thousands of people in Greece, Spain, Portugal and other parts of Europe, and Canada suffered unusually severe fires.

The so-called climate crisis is not increasing extreme weather events, or wildfires, as the Guardian lazily claims. Neither is it making hurricanes stronger. (Dora BTW was a Cat 4 storm). Some meteorologists believe that the direct impact of Dora was very small anyway – the strong winds, they argue, resulted from a high pressure gradient between Dora to the south and high pressure to the north.

And there was nothing unusual about the wildfires in Europe, even though the Guardian would like you to believe that Earth is becoming some sort of giant inferno.

Regardless of the exact meteorological set up, the fires were a tragedy waiting to happen, as USA Today explain:

Clay Trauernicht, a professor of natural resources and environmental management at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, said it would be misleading to simply blame weather and climate for the blazes.

Instead, Trauernicht, who noted in 2018 that the area burned annually by wildland fire in Hawaii has quadrupled in recent decades, pointed to unmanaged, nonnative grasslands that have flourished in Hawaii after decades of declining agriculture.

“These savannas now cover about a million acres across the main Hawaiian islands, mostly the legacy of land clearing for plantation agriculture and ranching in the late 1800s/early 1900s,” he wrote in a series of posts on the social platform X, formerly Twitter.

The transformation to savannas makes the land much more susceptible to the hot, dry and windy conditions that produce such wildfires, Trauernicht said, with much more buildup of fire fuels during rainy periods. Agricultural declines, meanwhile, also make firefighting more difficult as roads become unmaintained, irrigation and water storage lessen and those familiar with the land move away.

“The burden Hawaii’s current fire problem places on emergency responders, the impacts on farms and ecosystems, the losses our community’s experiencing right now – it’s mostly from benign neglect,” he wrote.

While maddening, the situation also offers a glimmer of hope, Trauernicht said.

“Hawaii’s fire problem could be far, far more manageable with adequate support, planning and resources for fuel reduction projects, agricultural land use and restoration and reforestation around communities and the foot of our forests,” he wrote.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/08/09/how-did-the-maui-fires-start-human-habitation-may-be-partly-to-blame/70559241007/

He also states:

The wet season could spur plants like Guinea grass, an invasive species found across parts of Maui, to grow as quickly as 6in (15cm) a day and reach up to 10ft (3 meters) tall. That grass creates a tinderbox that’s ripe for wildfire as it dries out.

You’re almost talking of a forest of grass.

The land in Hawaii was originally cleared mainly for sugar and pineapple plantations, which ironically brought riches to the islands and an influx of workers from the mainland. The Washington Post took up the story in 2017:

KAHULUI, Maui — Tens of thousands of abandoned acres of farmland lie fallow on this island, cemeteries of Hawaii’s defunct plantation era, which met its end last year when the state’s last remaining sugar grower shut down an operation that had run for 146 years.

Hawaiian Commercial & Sugar Co.’s sprawling sugar cane fields used to provide visitors to Maui a rolling green blanket as they arrived at the airport, but they are newly stagnant, joining other growers in a long decline. Facing competition from cheap foreign labor, a shortage of farmworkers and some of the nation’s highest land costs, the sugar and pineapple plantations that used to be the state’s lifeblood are not redeploying into active agriculture, raising questions about the industry’s future here.

“Pineapple is lost, sugar is lost, and we now have one sole industry, which is a very dangerous position to be in,” said Maui County Councilman Alika Atay. “We have put all our eggs into one basket, and that is tourism. But not everybody who lives on this island wants to work in the hotel industry, and it’s almost impossible to feed a family here working as a farmer. We are now seeing drastic displacement of young people leaving Maui because of a lack of economic opportunity.”

The closure of Maui’s last sugar producer marked a pivotal moment in Hawaii’s agricultural production. Since 1980, Hawaii’s total land use for agricultural production has shrunk by about 68 percent, according to data from the University of Hawaii.

Sugar had, at one point, been Hawaii’s top crop. Now the corn seed industry is the state’s dominant agricultural land user, followed by commercial forestry and macadamia nuts. But none of those products, not even when combined, come anywhere close to filling the economic void created by the loss of sugar and pineapple.

The sugar industry, which helped usher Hawaii into statehood, steered the state’s politics and economy for more than a century. It helped build company towns inhabited by multiethnic field laborers from Asia and Europe.

With statehood came U.S. labor laws, inspiring Hawaii’s biggest sugar and pineapple producers to embrace cheaper foreign labor. As monocrop agriculture declined, the state put its economic faith in tourism, which accelerated as jet plane travel became faster and more affordable. Plantation companies either vanished or transitioned into land-development firms.

The passage of the plantation heyday has been slow but impactful. In 1980, Hawaii hosted 14 sugar and four pineapple plantations that farmed more than 300,000 acres. In 2017, these two crops account for less than 5,000 acres. Once the largest pineapple plantation in the world, the island of Lanai’s former crop beds are now parched and deserted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/with-pineapple-and-sugar-production-gone-hawaii-weighs-its-agricultural-future/2017/12/17/c6e69236-e105-11e7-8679-a9728984779c_story.html

It is ironic that the forest clearances, which brought wealth to Hawaiians, are now ultimately responsible for so many deaths now.

64 Comments
  1. GeoffB permalink
    August 15, 2023 6:24 pm

    Superb explanation of the background to the increasing wild fires in Hawaii, the Guardian is a disgrace to truthful reporting of facts, but then we all know that on this site.

    • George Lawson permalink
      August 16, 2023 11:09 am

      I agree Geoff. Superb research as usual by Paul Homewood, which I have printed off in order to acquaint any fanatics that confront me with an end-of-the-earth scenario. I will send Paul a reasonable donation this week. I hope others will do the same.

      • gezza1298 permalink
        August 16, 2023 11:12 pm

        You might find the posts on wildfires on Turbulent Times of interest which point out how convenient those who have failed find climate change to cover for them.

  2. Curious George permalink
    August 15, 2023 6:26 pm

    The climate change caused the state-of-the-art early warning system sirens not to be used. Also it caused an insufficient water pressure in fire hydrants. Always blame the climate change, never the Democrats in the state government.

  3. pardonmeforbreathing permalink
    August 15, 2023 6:52 pm

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-66507675

    Don’t just have articles from the BBC excitedly exclaiming another person has died…. you can have your climate fears stoked by modern history graduates sharing their scientific knowledge. I kid you not, look up Georgina Rannard’s Linkedin…..

    The excitement from the BBC climate nonsense regurgitators and opinion providers is palpable.

    So look for three questions and answers down.
    In response to “could climate disasters like this become more common”, . If that is a real question then our Georgina must have been straining at the leash. Our science free Georgina does not begin by saying that actually we have no idea yet what caused the ignition or the spread…NOOOOOO she piles straight in with her modern history graduate’s wise observations. After all she is a BBC Climate and Science Reporter.

    ” As climate change worsens, further pushing up global temperatures, it is likely to make dry and hot conditions worse”.

    Can someone help me understand what she thinks she means by “climate change worsens”? I have not heard of this method of categorising of climate. That suggests there is a categorization of climate into good and bad. Which Climate is good according to our Georgina, could it be -50C in the Antarctic? After all, warm summers in Europe appear to be “bad” according to her equally science free and impartial over emotional mates in the Beeb.

    Paul may be interested in this next quote from the intrepid modern history graduate Georgina who gives her expert opinion on why this occurred.

    “Better land management could also help to prevent wildfires. Restoring wetlands or peatlands can retain moisture in the land or lessen the risk of drought”. Georgina Rannard BBC climate and science reporter

    And I am by law forced to pay her salary?

    • devonblueboy permalink
      August 15, 2023 7:02 pm

      “Restoring wetlands and peatlands…” How kind of Georgina to share with us her total lack of understanding of the geology and topography of Maui. Par for the course for the BBC though.

      • pardonmeforbreathing permalink
        August 16, 2023 7:32 am

        My question is WHY the BBC considers it “appropriate” to install completely inappropriately educated people as climate and even more absurdly, science reporters? My opinion? Ignorance means they will just regurgitate any pap they are given spiced up with unsubstantiated activist twaddle. Someone with a real education who understands critical thinking and the scientific method would be liable to challenge or push back on opinion dressed up as science. This clearly defines the objectives of the activist regurgitators pretending to be news reporters in the BBC. The marxist multiheaded hydra is no better exposed than it is within the BBC, exploiting all of its programming for marxist revolutionary propaganda purposes. Who needs Science in this post Enlightenment world when the BBC can give us Cyense, after all to present science to the layman surely it is better for it to be presented by modern history graduates who can give their own woolly view of the world coated in activist bile ? I would not be surprised if the BBC uses atmospheric physicists to present modern history!

      • charles allan permalink
        August 16, 2023 8:56 am

        Rewilding land then starving billions – this is the Davos plan while they eat the best steaks and caviar after flying in on their private jets.
        Rewilded land is a lot more flammable than farmed land as anyone with half a brain cell knows . The BBC is a dangerous propaganda tool.

    • Dave Andrews permalink
      August 16, 2023 4:47 pm

      Re ‘climate change worsens’ the Grauniad often uses ‘climate breakdown’. Is that more succinct? 🙂

      • charles allan permalink
        August 16, 2023 5:29 pm

        Here comes your 19th climate breakdown

    • Martin Brumby permalink
      August 17, 2023 3:42 am

      You sure are.

      And all the other BBC “Experts”, who individually or collectively have about as much scientific knowledge as my cat. And far less instinctive understanding.

      You could also compare their ethics, unfavourably, with the Mafia.

  4. dearieme permalink
    August 15, 2023 6:59 pm

    “With statehood came U.S. labor laws …”: as ever, the people claiming to protect The Workers do them a grave disservice.

  5. August 15, 2023 7:07 pm

    Hi Paul,

    There is a lot more to those fires than you can imagine. Many say that we’re started using directed energy weapons from space or aircraft. Have you seen the pics of molten metal running out of burnt cars, while nearby trees are completely untouched ? In fact all the tree are still intact.

    Mike

    Sent from my iPad

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    • Adam Gallon permalink
      August 16, 2023 7:44 am

      Many Americans are idiots, as the numbers of flat Earthers, moon landing deniers, anti-vaxxers, 9-11 “Truther” & other such morons indicate.
      Which category/categories do you fit into?

      • charles allan permalink
        August 16, 2023 8:40 am

        The trolls are out in force and there are plenty of idiots all over the world .
        Not many are left who still believe in the moon landings including one of the astronauts . Over 60 years ago they could do it but now they cant ???
        Have you ever heard of the Van Allen belt ?

        The earth is a sphere as everyone knows apart from the likes of you who use it to smear and straw man . Dew exists so why would they not use it ?

      • charles allan permalink
        August 16, 2023 8:44 am

        BTW – did you yourself get the full vax – did you fall for the propaganda and gave generously to pfizer’s shareholders . I think you need to go on a gullibility training course if you are real .

  6. Nigel Sherratt permalink
    August 15, 2023 7:12 pm

    Falling power lines and transformers, a petrol station fire and “an acknowledged arson problem” seem to be in the mix too according to Ed Dowd author of “Cause Unknown” and Maui resident.

    • dearieme permalink
      August 16, 2023 2:52 pm

      “Falling power lines and transformers, a petrol station fire and “an acknowledged arson problem” seem to be in the mix too” No; the source of ignition is always secondary, usually a mere distraction. What matters is the fuel. Why was there abundant fuel?

      • charles allan permalink
        August 16, 2023 5:54 pm

        For houses to be burnt to a crisp and cars to be melted with trees mainly untouched needs directed energy weapons which have been around for many years. Then the elites can clear out the natives and build their paradise 15 minute island. Bezos has already promised billions added to what he already owns there. See henry makow on Gab re filmed evidence and witnesses.

      • Martin Brumby permalink
        August 17, 2023 4:04 am

        Well, I’m sorry but I think the source of ignition is also very important.
        It is very clear that wildfires in Australia, California, Spain, Italy, UK etc etc have been very credibly attributed to arsonists. Either pyromaniacs or our GangGreen chums.

        Would someone who thinks the recent antics of Extinction Rebellion or Just Stop Oil are sensible and appropriate, hesitate about deliberately starting a fire?

        How come most fires have points of origin within a couple of hundred feet of a road?

        In a piece by Cliff Mass, who is no fool, he suggests that wind speeds of 60 mph were recorded. Also that ignition has been suggested to be from falling powerlines, as there was no lightning on Maui.

        A lot of other Engineers visit this site. Me? I wouldn’t discount falling powerlines and understand that sparking, falling, lines have (as usual) been filmed.

        But any utility company incapable of designing, installing and maintaining power lines resisting 60 mph (or 120 mph!) winds, needs dragging through the Courts.

        So I agree that the dry grass problem is vital and obviously can be resolved by people who know what they are about. But without ignition, there isn’t really a problem.

      • Gamecock permalink
        August 17, 2023 10:42 am

        “No; the source of ignition is always secondary, usually a mere distraction.”

        Wut?

        In grade school, 65 years ago, I was taught that to have fire, you need fuel, oxygen, and heat.

        When did they change that to fuel and oxygen?

        Wait . . .

        “What matters is the fuel”

        When did they change it to just fuel?

      • Gamecock permalink
        August 17, 2023 11:00 am

        . . . but sticking with the “What matters is the fuel” theme, BBC/Guardian blame the fire on diversity.

        “Invasive species of grass.”

  7. jimiam permalink
    August 15, 2023 7:30 pm

    The peshtigo fire of 1871 was absolutley nothing to do with Climate Change, it burnt down 16 towns claiming 1200+ lives :-https://www.weather.gov/grb/peshtigofire

    • Nigel Sherratt permalink
      August 15, 2023 7:58 pm

      Great Chicago Fire (on same day!) killed 300, destroyed 17,000 structures and left 100,000 homeless.

    • Curious George permalink
      August 15, 2023 8:30 pm

      Doesn’t Climate Change act even retroactively?

      • Nigel Sherratt permalink
        August 15, 2023 8:53 pm

        Yes, via ‘Attribution Studies’ I think you’re right! Their last desperate throw of the dice surely?

  8. Harry Passfield permalink
    August 15, 2023 7:43 pm

    The transformation to savannas makes the land much more susceptible to the hot, dry and windy conditions that produce such wildfires
    It probably makes the land more susceptible because in transforming the savannas – and building on them – there has been a need to get more power supplies to them – across the savannas.
    From reports I’ve read, the power companies were warned that the high winds they were experiencing would risk power lines coming down….and they ignored the risks. Say no more.

  9. charles allan permalink
    August 15, 2023 8:10 pm

    See henry makow on this -google gab – the film shows directed energy weapons
    disintegrating cars and houses but not trees which are not directly affected by microwaves – same in California a few years back

    • M E Emberson permalink
      August 16, 2023 9:53 am

      Sorry. I don’t believe you. Still this was a scientific site about atmosphere and weather for a long time so I’ll look in now and again . I think you belong on rt.com judging by the conspiracy theories in ‘comments’ daily there. Those theories have nothing to do with atmosphere and weather either . I think they are paid, though.

      • charles allan permalink
        August 16, 2023 10:25 am

        No dont belong to RT or anything . The relevance is of course there if weapons or arson are used to boost climate change hysteria which the greeks have already discovered. Maybe you belong to an org which cancels evidence ?
        Even the pictures throw up crazy anomalies . I would not hire you to investigate
        anything really – as you have nothing to contribute.

    • Phil O'Sophical permalink
      August 16, 2023 11:22 am

      The governor of the Island is a fully paid up green gofer. In Jan 2023 there was a SMART CITY conference on how to turn Maui into an entire Smart Island.
      Changing everything to electric, renewables, solar panels, electric vehicles; 15 minute Smart City.
      In September Hawaii is hosting the DIGITAL GOVERNMENT SUMMIT about utilising AI to govern the islands.

      So the destruction is very convenient, almost like they are resetting something to start building back better.

      Another pure coincidence of course, is that last July the Governor had a bill passed that would allow the Government to do just that, to appropriate (read steal) the land if they needed to rebuild – well, well. And wouldn’t you know it, the area destroyed is heartland to the Indigenous Polynesian people who, awkwardly for the government, have special land rights… er, or had.

      You are right. The burn pattern and effects do not resemble any natural fire, especially the weirdly identically burnt cars. And how come all the boats safely out of the harbour spontaneously combust?

      Observations and actions need to be explained, not knee-jerk smeared as conspiracies, which only suggests there is something to hide.

      • charles allan permalink
        August 16, 2023 1:37 pm

        Thanks for your research – I heard the cop in charge of the ‘inquest’ is the same one that ‘handled’ the Las Vegas shooting – but I have still to verify .

      • charles allan permalink
        August 16, 2023 8:14 pm

        On henry makow at gab website today
        extract :-
        Commenter- “If one cannot see the glaring bias, not to mention the callous and offensive disregard for the human suffering, of a book published within 48 hours of the end of the Maui fire, then I can’t help you. I’ve never read more baseless assumptions made in such a short little book than I came across in this unfortunate piece of drivel.

  10. Gamecock permalink
    August 15, 2023 8:19 pm

    The problem was end of agriculture around Lahaina. Managed pineapple fields replaced with wild grassland. So restoration is valid . . . to agriculture.

    See Lahaina, Google Earth 2007. You can see clearly the land around Lahaina is fully managed.

    Another myth:

    ‘The fast-moving fires, fanned by the winds of a distant hurricane’

    Totally false. The high winds came from a high pressure in the northern Pacific.

    ‘The disaster is one of the deadliest US wildfires in recent years.’

    ‘One of’ and ‘recent’ is BS. It’s the deadliest since 1918. The writer didn’t know, but thought she could get away with weasel words.

    ‘The climate crisis, driven by fossil fuel use, is increasing the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events, including wildfires like the ones Maui is grappling with.’

    Pants on fire.

    The old “we can’t blame it on climate change so we are going to blame it on climate change” trick.

    So tell us, Ms Genius, how did the alleged climate crisis cause farmers to stop growing pineapples at Lahaina? And how did the alleged climate crisis stick a high pressure in the northern Pacific? Your 8th grade teacher gives you a D+ on your science project.

    ‘Climate change not only increases the fire risk by driving up temperatures’

    K. Give us a graph of Lahaina temperatures over the last few years to show it. Else you are POS pathological liars.

    ‘but also makes stronger hurricanes more likely. In turn, those storms could fuel stronger wind events like the one behind the Maui fires.’

    NO F*&^ING STORM WAS INVOLVED with the Maui fires, you pathological liars!

  11. John Hultquist permalink
    August 15, 2023 8:20 pm

    Cliff Mass has an excellent analysis of the weather that contributed to the fire.
    https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2023/08/the-real-cause-of-maui-wildfire-disaster.html

    • Nigel Sherratt permalink
      August 15, 2023 9:03 pm

      Fascinating, thank you. Similar to a foehn?

      ‘On 14 – 15 January 1972 in Montana, USA, a foehn chinook event was responsible for the greatest temperature change over a 24 hour period ever recorded in the United States: according to the US National Weather Service the temperature rose a staggering 57 °C; from -48 to 9 °C.’ (UK Met Office site)

  12. A Drew permalink
    August 15, 2023 9:06 pm

    Similar garbage on Simon Reeve programme on TV tonight blaming floods in Carlisle to climate change. Then contradicts himself by pointing out rivers approaching Carlisle after heavy rainfall were slowed down upstream by spilling over onto the floodplain in the past. Now the rivers are constrained to narrow channels and the floodplain is farmland for crops. This allows the river to flow much more quickly and floods Carlisle.

  13. John Brown permalink
    August 15, 2023 9:09 pm

    “Once the largest pineapple plantation in the world, the island of Lanai’s former crop beds are now parched and deserted.”

    So basically re-wilding caused the extensive wildfires?

    • Gamecock permalink
      August 15, 2023 11:31 pm

      Or the reverse – fallow fields after agriculture stopped. That’s what happened at Lahaina.

    • Ben Vorlich permalink
      August 16, 2023 8:31 am

      Not Rewilding, which would involve returning the plantations to something resembling what they were before turn to agriculture. But letting non-native species take over through neglect is nit Rewilding.
      The UK has similar problems with Rhododendron, Buddleia and Himalayan Balsam to name a few

  14. Tim Spence permalink
    August 15, 2023 9:20 pm

    There was that hardy grass present, almost omni present in the affected zones and was probably the source of the fire but I think electrical installations were what took it into the concreted zones.

    I can’t imagine what combustible fuel was available on the coastal highway, wider than a standard fire-break, couldn’t have been the occasional grass sprouts that spring up in concreted areas, not enough to fuel that inferno. I can only imagine a tremendous wind contributed to the combustion of cars on the highway.

    • charles allan permalink
      August 16, 2023 1:40 am

      according to witnesses who took mobile film and posted to henry makow on gab it was directed energy weapons . Incredible power and noise like lightning type
      energy from space satellites and /or copters /planes . Seemingly there are plans for rewilding and land grabs from locals by the elites – see for yourself on gab.

      • Adam Gallon permalink
        August 16, 2023 7:48 am

        Bollocks.
        Another American idiot.
        They’re breeding like wildfire over there.

      • charles allan permalink
        August 16, 2023 8:24 am

        Why not look at the film and interviews and see for yourself – you are probably 77th brigade or a troll bot . Do you still believe that the twin towers were brought down by an arab in an afghan cave and petrol melts steel and that iraq had weapons of mass destruction – the gullable are a sad lot .

  15. Phoenix44 permalink
    August 15, 2023 10:38 pm

    Has the area been particularly hot and dry? And even so, no fire starts without being started by something. These wildfires didn’t start when some temperature was reached or some level of dryness achieved. They started with a spark of some kind.

    • Gamecock permalink
      August 15, 2023 11:36 pm

      Correct. The only mystery is the ignition source. The rest of the fire story is known.

      Though I wonder about the legal implications. If you own a fallow field, and it burns, are you responsible? I would think not. But that suggests you have no duty to keep the burnable grasses off it. The people of Lahaina will damn sure demand it now. But can they?

      • Sceptical Sam permalink
        August 16, 2023 9:49 am

        “The only mystery is the ignition source.”

        No mystery there. High winds knock down power poles and the shorted wires spark the tinder dry grasses.

        It happens here in Australia most years. We never learn. We let the growth come back stronger than ever. London to a brick it’ll happen again this coming summer.

        Maybe one day the insurance companies will wake up. The power transmission operators say they care, but they don’t.

        Then, of course, there’s always the environment saboteurs who get their highs from throwing a match.

      • Gamecock permalink
        August 16, 2023 10:47 am

        Sam, do you have that from a definitive source? I see a lot of speculation in the press that downed power lines were the cause, but I don’t consider the press to be reliable.

        “It happens here in Australia most years.”

        It happened in northern California a few years ago. Lawsuits followed. Now, PG&E turns off everyone’s electricity in a stiff breeze.

      • Sceptical Sam permalink
        August 16, 2023 2:56 pm

        The history of fires in Australia is replete with power companies and distribution networks being held to account for fires started by their poorly maintained infrastructure that is knocked over in very windy conditions, or result from line clashes or clashing conductors.

        A few examples here to make the point:
        https://esdnews.com.au/powercor-pleads-guilty-over-terang-fire/

        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-02/court-finds-western-power-partly-liable-for-parkerville-fire/100264048

        There are other examples but I’ll not clog the thread up with further URLs.

        As for Maui there’s already visual evidence coming out on social media that demonstrates poles swaying in the breeze and others with lines down. Granted, I’ve not seen pictures of burnt out areas around these pole failures, but it’s early days yet. Dead men tell no tales.

      • Gamecock permalink
        August 16, 2023 5:35 pm

        I have a friend who is the outside plant manager for the local power company. He has told me that power poles are knocked down by cars crashing into them, or trees falling on them or the wires. I was going to say that it is highly unlikely that the poles were blown down . . .

        BUT, “visual evidence coming out on social media that demonstrates poles swaying in the breeze” could change everything. Though “poles” aren’t necessarily THE poles that started the fires.

        Investigation continues.

    • charles allan permalink
      August 16, 2023 2:02 am

      The DEWs can start any fires they want- see henry makow posts on gab

  16. David permalink
    August 16, 2023 10:15 am

    It’s a local event with a local cause: Change of local land use has resulted in a change of local climate, the vegetation more being prone to drying in normal summer conditions. Nothing more than that. But the catastrophists claim ‘carbon’ is to blame. Wow, great science by the doomsters.

  17. europeanonion permalink
    August 16, 2023 11:32 am

    Sounds like 1666 and the Great Fire of London a four day event fanned by high winds. Pictures from the island before the event depict housing in close proximity to forests, stands of trees. Picturesque perhaps but a potential death trap. Oxygen caused the fire and all we see is carbon residue of burning now. Before the fire the habitation was carbon now reduced to an elemental residue. If only there were not so much oxygen. Perhaps we should find some way of cutting it down?

    • charles allan permalink
      August 16, 2023 11:45 am

      YES if we got rid of oxygen like say mars there would be no wild fires or living creatures – then why not continue with no CO2 which makes plants grow so the earth would resemble a desert with no chance of fires or any life.
      Sounds logical to me -lol
      Do you work as a BBC reporter.
      The trees were untouched mainly but the buildings and cares were disintegrated
      very very strange .

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      • Phil O'Sophical permalink
        August 16, 2023 6:02 pm

        charles, you are doing sterling work. The number of slimy things emerging to sneer and smear says it all. But even sensible people will not believe that others can commit evil and cast around for something rational to explain it, even ignoring their own eyes. Or not looking at the relevant videos. Even Paul has been seduced into the hurricane winds misdirection. A satellite film shows the hurricane never closer than 800 miles away and a 4 hour section of its track has been removed so they can lie about the actual proximity. What it does show is an unnatural wind front (HAARP generated?) nothing to do with the hurricane pushing in at exactly the ‘right moment’ to fan the flames and take the blame.

      • charles allan permalink
        August 16, 2023 7:39 pm

        On henry makow tonight gab he has vaxxter.com showing impossibility of fires
        being caused by normal events

  18. Brian Sides permalink
    August 16, 2023 12:13 pm

    I wonder if tourism is a factor. It is amazing the amount of millionaires who own property and vast areas of the Island. These are holiday homes how much land management do they do. Plus jobs serving the tourists are better paid than farming . The vast areas of grass have caused fires in the past.
    These articles cover some of the history and possible solutions
    https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/media-the-vultures-fly/
    https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/wildfires-eat-sheeps-or-fry/

  19. Bloke down the pub permalink
    August 16, 2023 2:18 pm

    I’m sure some eco-capitalist will make a buck selling carbon offsets to gullible greens wanting to salve their air-miles conscience by planting trees on the former plantations.

  20. Gamecock permalink
    August 16, 2023 5:40 pm

    ‘Hawaiian Electric stock plunges 40% after lawsuit alleges it failed to shut power off ahead of the Maui wildfires’ — CNN

    AI, I betcha. I’m figuring it has to be institutional, computer trading. For the stock to plunge 40%, SOMEBODY has to be buying it at that lower price. No rational person would be buying Hawaiian Electric stock now, as appears to be heading to double-ought zero very soon.

  21. Gamecock permalink
    August 16, 2023 5:52 pm

    Hawaii has an existential problem. Lawsuits pending. Hawaiian Electric has fewer than a half million customers. Pending lawsuits will surely reach into the tens of billions of dollars. HE will surely be wiped out.

    So from where will Hawaii get their electricity? Nationalization of HE’s assets could be very messy. And with the level of liability vs return, I don’t see private capital coming in to save them.

    HE keeps the people alive. Crushing them in civil court isn’t necessarily the best plan. They may need to blame Mrs. O’Leary’s cow for the fire.

  22. gezza1298 permalink
    August 16, 2023 11:26 pm

    The answer to the problem of wildfires is simple – sheep. Grazing will keep the grass under control.

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