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Do The Met Office Know What Extreme Weather Really Looks Like?

October 4, 2023

By Paul Homewood

I have a prediction!

At the end of the year, the Met Office’s State of the Climate report will declare 2023 as a “Year of Extremes”.

It will highlight September as a particularly extreme month, with a heatwave (which peaked at temperatures several degrees lower than in 1906 and 1911); a monthly temperature no higher than in September 2006; and Storm Agnes.

I doubt whether anybody with any experience would find anything extreme about the weather last month. On the contrary, they will all be able to recall genuinely extreme autumn weather in the past.

For example, let;s look back to the 1960s, courtesy of Weatherweb:

Autumn 1960:

East Devon FLOODS, after repetitive HEAVY RAINFALL. Using data up to 2013, this was the third WETTEST autumn in the EWP data-set, with only 1852 and 2000 significantly wetter. July and August were also WET, as was the previous winter (see above). The combination of events led to FLOODS reported from many parts of the country come the autumn.

This actually barely begins to tell the story of just how catastrophic the floods were that autumn, particularly in Devon, which were some of the worst of the 20thC.

Devon Live has a very good account:

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https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/remembering-1960-floods-devastated-thousands-3137954

September 1961

Residual elements of the Atlantic hurricane ‘Debbie’ (presumably wrapped-up within a ‘standard’ mid-latitude cyclone) led to severe gales affecting ‘Atlantic’ Ireland, much of Scotland and the northern Isles. In the most intense phase on the 16th new records for strongest GUSTS occurred in Ireland, notably 93 knots at Shannon airport & 98 kn at Malin Head. Later in the day & early on the 17th, Lerwick Observatory (southern tip of Shetland) recorded a mean hourly WIND speed of 53 knots / 98 km/h, and a GUST of 77 knots / 142 km/hr, which at the time was the highest recorded since the Observatory opened in 1921. Severe dislocation of transport & electrical supplies in Ireland, with significant loss of woodland. Also, the deaths of at least 16 people. (GBWFF, HS/23)

Note the 93 kts (107 mph) recorded at Shannon Airport. Storm Agnes only got into the 30 mph range at low land sites.

November 1962

From the 8th, as winds came more from a continental (easterly) direction, TEMPERATURES fell steadily, then abruptly on the 11th as Russian/arctic air spread west. The following weekend (16th/17th) was one of the STORMIEST/MOST SNOWY on record for November. GALES were widespread, GUSTS of 75 knots being recorded on the Isles of Scilly on both the 16th and 17th, and SLEET/SNOW fell practically everywhere. Level SNOW was 7 inches (circa 17cm) deep in parts of Scotland, with DRIFTS of 3 feet (circa 1 metre), and roads were BLOCKED, traffic dislocated as far south as Devon, Cornwall & Somerset. COLD, northerly winds persisted for several days, with widespread FROST.

November 1965

Three (out of 8) cooling towers at the Ferrybridge power station near Doncaster (South Yorkshire) collapsed in very strong winds, and the five remaining towers were all damaged significantly. The nearest anemometer recording (about 12km / 7.5 miles away) produced a highest (60-minute) mean wind speed of around 40 kt / 45mph, and gusts were thought to be of the order 74 kt / 85 mph at the base of the towers. These values are not of themselves excessive either generally, or for the particular location, and the problem was not so much the wind strength, but that air was forced between one group of badly-sited towers in an enhanced way to the second (leeward of the first group), causing the collapse. Pre-construction tests (using a wind tunnel) had only considered an isolated tower, not the grouping planned; neither had gusts and local eddying (particularly possible lee-wave enhancement) been allowed for. It is now considered that the gust values at the tops of the towers were some 90 kt / just over 100mph.

While the winds were not exceptional we can  note that sustained wind speeds were recorded locally at 45 mph. more than double lowland measurements for Agnes.

October 1966

After weeks of persistent and often heavy rain, a spoil tip behind the village school in Aberfan, south Wales collapsed, burying the school under a torrent of slurry with the deaths of 144 people, 116 of the dead were school-children. After the ‘East Coast’ floods of 1953 (q.v.), this is now regarded as the second-worst natural disaster to affect the UK (in terms of deaths) since the Second World War.

September 1968

Prolonged HEAVY RAIN (enhanced by some long-lived THUNDERSTORMS forming in the vicinity of an occlusion across SE England, which in turn was associated with a slow-moving depression over northern France) on the 14th, 15th and 16th in 1968 caused WIDESPREAD & SEVERE FLOODING in the south east of England with 215mm falling at Northchapel (West Sussex) within 24 hours and 57mm in 42 minutes at Purleigh (Surrey). East Molesey in SW London .. near Hampton Court Palace was particularly badly affected. More generally, much of Essex, Surrey, Kent, and London recorded 150mm (locally 200mm) over these 2 to 3 days. Tilbury, Essex recorded 201 mm in two days – more than one-third of the normal annual fall. From mid-afternoon on the 15th, FLOODING over streams and rivers built up rapidly in Surrey, causing disruption to traffic and damage to property. One person was KILLED (a man died of a heart attack as he was swept away by flood-water). The widespread FLOODING took many days to subside – the impact was primarily due to the rapid/long-lasting nature of the intense RAINFALL (convective cells) – but was perhaps most unusual in that it affected such a large area of SE England. Newspapers of the time in Kent (e.g. ‘Kent Messenger’) stated that it was "the worst FLOODING since 1814".  The considerable / widespread FLOODING took many days to subside.

The late Philip Eden described them as “the most severe inland flood to hit the Home Counties in the last 100 years”

October 1969

And yes, there were even heatwaves!

One of the five DRIEST Octobers (17 mm) over England & Wales in the entire EWP series, and the 2nd DRIEST (after 1978) in the 20th century. Also, the equal 3rd WARMEST (equal with 2006, behind 2001 & 2005) October in the entire CET record.

42 Comments
  1. George Herraghty permalink
    October 4, 2023 7:21 pm

    Extreme Weather?
    Surprise, surprise! It rains in Scotland!
    The Great Flood of moray, 1829. The ‘Muckle Spate’ saw the water rise to one foot under the central span of Telford’s famous Craigellachie Bridge.
    Washed out by extreme river levels, rabbits and hares were spotted sitting on logs 10 miles out at sea from passing fishing boats.

  2. Mark Hodgson permalink
    October 4, 2023 7:38 pm

    Paul, you’re doing it again, using facts to baffle the alarmists. How dare you?

  3. energywise permalink
    October 4, 2023 8:17 pm

    UK summer 2023 was a cool, wash out – same as many other years preceding it
    In the 60’s/70’s, the UK winters saw several feet of snow, every year, as it snowed for weeks on end – can you imagine todays crop of climerati having to deal with snow, ice, power cuts? No, me neither – they should be praying for warmth

    • In The Real World permalink
      October 5, 2023 9:13 am

      The summer was not really hot . But now the Copernicus propaganda service is on the case , and it has been turned into another “HOTTEST EVER ” .

      I dont know if Copernicus is just computer models , but as it is an EU ran fake news site , you can be sure it is all a load of lies which will be repeated all over the media .

      • In The Real World permalink
        October 5, 2023 3:27 pm

        Doing a bit of reading up , and it seems that the COPERNICUS service does use computer models .
        https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-datasets
        Which explains why their claims of ” HOTTER THAN EVER ” are just more green loony lies .

  4. D G EVANS and Mrs SALLY EVANS permalink
    October 4, 2023 8:30 pm

    Storm Agnes, wind and rain, in Pembrokeshire, were both worse than my wife and I, both late 80s, had ever experienced in the UK.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      October 5, 2023 8:27 am

      Worse how? And so what? Why woukd your area have had the worst possible weather in your 80 years? There’s billions of possible variations.

      • Aaron Halliwell permalink
        October 5, 2023 9:53 am

        I was staying in Narberth, near Tenby, during this bad weather. It was certainly windy and wet for a while, but nothing extraordinary.

        The hotel cordoned off part of its car park next to some big trees, but there was no sign of any branches having come down in the morning.

        It was all a bit of an anticlimax.

    • Ray Sanders permalink
      October 5, 2023 9:45 am

      That’s very interesting to know. Completely irrelevant but very interesting. Thank you for sharing that with us all.

      • 186no permalink
        October 5, 2023 10:09 am

        Eye witness testimony about the subject of “severe weather” as introduced by this article is far more valuable than, eg,  crooked modelling; your condescendingly rude and dismissive tone  employed in these “putdowns” – as with “phoenix44” – to two people who have decades of experience of weather is disgraceful, demeaning and you both owe Mr and Mrs Evans an apology. Don’t do the Trolls work for “them”. 

      • Ray Sanders permalink
        October 5, 2023 10:46 am

        To 186no the comment I responded to is, as I stated, (largely in concord with Phoenix’s comment) completely irrelevant.

      • 186no permalink
        October 5, 2023 10:57 am

        You are completely free to express your view; people who read NALOPKT are usually not so obvious as pro AWG/CC “supporters”; both your dismissive comments are contemptuous. “Why woukd your area have had the worst possible weather in your 80 years? (sic)”  – that question rather gives the game away and either has not been typed as thought or is a kneejerk reaction with no thought for some reason. Your concordat with P44 on this issue is very unworthy.

    • madmike33 permalink
      October 5, 2023 2:08 pm

      I wasn’t in Pembroke  this year but high winds and lashing rain in Wales are nothing ne. Around 30 years ago, over one Christmas, I was near Harlech and it was blowing a real hoolly. Electricity was out all over and the roads looked like rivers. I’ve never see anything like it before or since. They were talking about 100 mph winds but I don’t know if that was accurate. The bizarre thing was we went out in the thick of it to buy some gas lights and when we came out of the store, about 20 minutes later, all the wind and rain had disappeared. It all returned after a short while but not as strong. It was truly a very strange experience.

      • mailed7fed1fa4c permalink
        October 5, 2023 5:42 pm

        I was having a Christmas break near Barmouth about 20 years ago and the highest Welsh wind spedd recorded on Great Orme Head was at 103 mph – Agnes was nowhere near that.

      • madmike33 permalink
        October 5, 2023 9:25 pm

        That might have been the same storm as I experienced. It was about 1997. From memory, Criccieth was accredited with 109mph wind but I can’t verify that. It certainly gets windy up there but the population seems to survive. The pub in the village remained open so all was not lost. 

    • 1saveenergy permalink
      October 5, 2023 8:40 pm

      Strange how as you get older, memory plays tricks ( I’m close to 80 !!! ); That’s why we use weather records.

      Could it be that the Evans are incomers from the wicked city have not experinced real weather, we see a lot of that from incomers on Anglesey.

    • bobn permalink
      October 5, 2023 9:01 pm

      Mr Evans, i guess that means you’ve been living in the UK for less than a month. The breeze they called Agnes was so slight compared to usual UK weather that most of us didnt notice anything unusual.

  5. Andrew Collinson permalink
    October 4, 2023 10:02 pm

    The UK Met Office manipulated all the data sets as of Jan 2020.
    eg May 1911 cooled 0.3c. From the 120 months of the warmest 10 years 28 months were selectively altered. Pre 1990 was cooled approx 3x more than 1990 to 2020. Feb 2020 ‘record’ rainfall is a complete lie.
    I can name 40 disastrous UK floods all within a 40 mile radius, sadly people houses & bridges were a washed away. 38 of the 40 were 1849 to 1968.
    All the Met office want to do is scaremonger, look at ‘storm’ Agnus it was a 10 minute blustery spell with spit in the wind, a complete none event.
    The new £1.2 billion big PC the met office play with hopes to predict the time of day, the £120 million annual wage bill should be paid on accuracy, it makes no difference if they are 100% incorrect, they need defunding.

  6. Gamecock permalink
    October 4, 2023 10:25 pm

    The Met Office’ goal is to scare people into giving up their freedom.

    ‘Extreme’ is a focus group tested word known to get people concerned. It’s just a cheapass adjective. These people are juvenile.

    • October 4, 2023 10:37 pm

      I thought the Met Office’s goal is to scare people to maintain their revenue stream.

      • Gamecock permalink
        October 4, 2023 10:49 pm

        Scaring people into giving up their freedom is the Greater Good™.

    • Ray Sanders permalink
      October 5, 2023 1:38 pm

      As you are a connoisseur of the fine art of new scientific units (i.e Floridian Populace units etc) I felt I should “share” with you the Guardian’s new climate science Shlock horror terminology of …”Gobsmackingly bananas” { John Landis might sue for breach of copyright!}
      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/05/gobsmackingly-bananas-scientists-stunned-by-planets-record-september-heat
      I particularly enjoyed the homily photo of Zeke Hausfather plus his new born alongside his X (formerly known as Prince or Twitter or something) profile.
      Being in the UK I now feel we should start to redefine the whole British Standard (BS) scales into BullShit units.
      Any offers for scaling?

      • Micky R permalink
        October 6, 2023 7:37 am

        At the risk of stating the obvious, the first sentence in the Guardian article is a lie:

        ” Global temperatures soared to a new record in September by a huge margin, ”

        No-one knows what the record is because – compared to the age of the earth – the data is minimal.

  7. eastdevonoldie permalink
    October 5, 2023 8:09 am

    The Met Office “since records began” only starts from 2000, nothing before that date counts because truly extreme weather events of the past were not given ‘storm names’ so can be discounted.

  8. David permalink
    October 5, 2023 8:52 am

    The Telegraph is also on the bandwagon. But it’s good to see healthy scepticism in the comments below the article. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2023/10/05/september-record-heat-climate-change-global-warming/

  9. See - owe to Rich permalink
    October 5, 2023 9:51 am

    I

  10. See - owe to Rich permalink
    October 5, 2023 9:56 am

    I have a program which measures heat waves as measured by CET max and according to an old WMO definition: at least 5 consecutive days of at least 5 degrees above the reference mean for the day. Of course, it depends on which reference period is being used. Using 1991-2020, here is the top ten:

    (Aaargh [1,] 1976 7 8 16 9.38 150.08
    [2,] 1946 4 4 9 7.73 69.57
    [3,] 1947 6 3 7 9.58 67.06
    [4,] 1893 4 26 9 7.10 63.90
    [5,] 2023 9 10 7 8.94 62.58
    [6,] 2023 6 16 7 8.48 59.36
    [7,] 1895 9 30 8 7.41 59.28
    [8,] 1959 10 7 8 7.30 58.40
    [9,] 1995 8 22 8 7.24 57.92
    [10,] 1990 5 5 7 8.25 57.75

    • See - owe to Rich permalink
      October 5, 2023 10:30 am

      Apologies, I have been having trouble getting used to replies here. My “Aaargh” above related to it seeming that carriage returns in pasted text would not be honoured, but they were in that table. I pressed Ctrl-Enter to see if that would work, but it merely posted the draught. Anyway, the column headings for that table are year, month, day (of end of heat-wave), length, mean anomaly (>5 obviously), degree-days (length * anomaly).
      The table is sorted on degree-days, and you’d have to say that 2023 is exceptional as the only year to have two in the top ten. A bit of a cherry-picked statistic, perhaps.

  11. ThinkingScientist permalink
    October 5, 2023 10:04 am

    I have the late Phillip Eden’s book which he was sadly unable to update due to his untimely death.

    Ironic as the only weather change he thought might be detectably changed is less snow. If he had lived to see the UK winters of 2009 – 2011 he might have even scratched that one!

  12. See - owe to Rich permalink
    October 5, 2023 10:23 am

    Test of login.

    Rich. Why does carriage return not give a new line?

    • Gamecock permalink
      October 5, 2023 11:46 am

      Thx for calling it “carriage” return.I’m having same problem.

      • See - owe to Rich permalink
        October 5, 2023 12:13 pm

        But actually CR does work when the
        reply
        is
        published
        but you can’t see it in the composition box.

        Another question: why do I have to log in (mail version) each time I refresh the page and wnat to reply?

  13. Wodge permalink
    October 5, 2023 11:35 am

    Mr Homewood,
    How much longer will you deny that we are experiencing extreme weather?
    Why,during Storm Agnes one of our patio chairs blew over and
    our pine tree shed several of its cones.

    • devonblueboy permalink
      October 5, 2023 12:30 pm

      Shock, horror, catastrophe 🤣🤣

    • Russ Wood permalink
      October 5, 2023 12:42 pm

      When the Witwatersrand South Africa had a “bit of a blow”, there were pictures published of a garden chair blown over, with the caption “We WILL rebuild!”

  14. October 5, 2023 1:19 pm

    Emergency! Help!! I was bombarded by a few conkers dropping due to an extreme slight breeze yesterday. The whole me could have been killed, or worse!!

  15. StephenP permalink
    October 5, 2023 2:02 pm

    1976 was a truly hot and dry summer.
    1968 saw the rainstorm that hit Somerset and took out the bridge at Pensford.
    If it hadn’t been for the Chew Valley Reservoir slowing the flow down the river the whole of Pensford would have been wiped out.
    The 1952 Lynmouth flood disaster was a real disaster.
    It does seem that the MET Office records and memories need updating.
    Why do we now have to log in to leave a reply?

  16. October 5, 2023 4:03 pm

    The BBC useless stats office swings into action again…
    The year to the end of September shaded the current warmest year, 2016, by 0.05C as the hottest ever.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67017021

    ‘Scientists shocked’. Fascinating 🥱

  17. Paul Brooks permalink
    October 5, 2023 4:21 pm

    Paul – just in case you missed it – and not quite on topic.

    BBC Lunchtime News today had another hyperbolic ramble from Rowatt who stated that: Scientists say September was almost certainly the hottest month for 120,000 years – since before the last ice age!

    I don’t quite know where to start with that one!

  18. October 5, 2023 6:31 pm

    Not forgetting the hurricane in Scotland that killed 9 in 1968

  19. energywise permalink
    October 6, 2023 2:45 pm

    If you want extreme weather, go back around 4 billion years when the earth was forming

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