Scientists Don’t Know Why Oceans Have Warmed
By Paul Homewood
The fact that scientists do not know is very telling:
Every day for the last 12 months, the world’s sea surface temperatures have broken records.
Ocean scientists are growing increasingly concerned.
“It’s not just an entire year of record-breaking ocean temperatures, but it’s the margin it’s breaking them by — it’s not even close to what the previous record was,” said Brian McNoldy, a senior research associate at the University of Miami Rosenstiel School of Marine, Atmospheric, and Earth Science. “That’s what’s raising the eyebrows of a lot of people.”
Average sea surface temperatures today are roughly 1.25 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they were from 1982-2011, according to the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer. It’s a huge anomaly that could have significant effects on weather and ecosystems.
Human-caused climate change is likely playing a role, researchers said, but is probably not the only factor. Climate models predict a steady rise in sea surface temperatures, but not this quickly, and ocean surface temperatures also fluctuate and can be affected by natural climate variability, including patterns such as El Niño and La Niña.
So scientists don’t yet know precisely why sea surface temperatures have climbed so high.
“I pray we’re having a once-in-a-lifetime year of hot sea surface temperatures, but I do fear there may be something else going on that is causing a long-term change in sea surface temperatures we hadn’t predicted,” said John Abraham, a professor at the University of St. Thomas who studies ocean temperatures. “All bets are off now, this is something that is so unusual, it’s challenging our past expectations.”
If ocean temperatures continue to break records, that could bleach corals, generate more intense and fast-developing hurricanes, drive coastal temperatures up and make extreme precipitation more likely — events scientists already observed in 2023.
Temperatures first soared to record levels in mid-March last year, according to the Climate Reanalyzer, which tracks average measures of sea surface temperature data from across the globe. The data used to measure these trends dates back more than 40 years and comes from networks of monitoring buoys and robotic devices designed to help meteorologists make weather forecasts.
Abraham suspects the main cause of the trend is climate change, with some natural ocean processes that aren’t well understood playing a role, as well.
“It takes a lot of heat to raise water’s temperature,” Abraham said.
McNoldy listed other dynamics that may play a small role, including the weakening of trade winds in the North Atlantic, which has reduced the amount of dust blowing from Africa’s Sahara Desert toward North America. Dust absorbs the sun’s energy over the Atlantic Ocean, so it’s possible that more radiation is being absorbed into the ocean.
“That could be a factor, but I don’t have a good sense of being able to quantify it,” McNoldy said.
Some researchers have also suggested that changes to maritime shipping regulations may have reduced sulfur pollution in ship exhaust, ultimately reducing cloud cover and allowing the oceans to absorb more energy.
“All these little ingredients by themselves don’t explain what we’re seeing, but maybe in a combined sense, they do,” McNoldy said, though he added that he’s skeptical of the theory but can’t rule it out.
Among ocean scientists, he added: “We’re kind of all just observing something strange happening. At some point, someone will come up with an answer, but I haven’t seen that answer yet.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/oceans-record-hot-rcna143179
Remember this when the alarmist community tell us we must quickly stop using fossil fuels.
Although they say underlying global warming may have raised sea temperatures, the actual amount can only be tiny, given the ocean’s enormous capacity to store heat. Put simply, a warmer atmosphere cannot raise sea temperatures to any significant degree. Indeed, it is the other way round; it is ocean temperatures which affect atmospheric ones. We see this every time there is an El Nino event.
Although McNoldy dismisses the impact of sulphur pollution, scientists widely blamed this for global cooling between the 1940s and 70s. And there is considerable evidence that the much cleaner atmosphere we have nowadays has been in part responsible for rising global temperatures since.
There is also no mention of the Hunga Tonga eruption, and the resultant injection of incredible amounts of water vapour into the stratosphere, which many scientists say has contributed to warming in the last year.
But taking these two factors out of the equation, it is clear that natural factors have played the major role in the increasing sea temperatures. The fact that no climate scientists seem to have the slightest clue what these factors might be and how they might work rather makes a nonsense of their models and pretensions about what might happen in future.
And if oceans have warmed recently, they are just as likely to cool back down sooner or later.
So instead of lecturing us about fossil fuels, maybe they should try to understand what is going on under the waves!
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“All bets are off now“. I bet it’s the sun what done it.
Must be in there. Annual sunshine hours on the rise, in the UK at least…
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/uk-temperature-rainfall-and-sunshine-time-series
A maximum of the current solar cycle in July 2023 might also be a factor.
Aren’t the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer Group the same lot who gave us last summer’s highest ever global temperatures?
Perhaps their data collection and handling needs reanalysis
The REANALYZER is a computer generated fake program designed to tell lies about the climate .
An actual study shows most of the temperature is controlled by the Sun , which has been warming the Oceans a little bit ..https://notrickszone.com/2024/03/14/new-study-satellite-evidence-shows-absorbed-shortwave-radiation-has-been-increasing-since-2000/
But we must expect a constant flow of global warming lies from the Socialist / Marxist propaganda lot .https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/01/22/the-u-n-s-global-warming-war-on-capitalism-an-important-history-lesson-2/
Thanks for that comment. I’ll make a note for use if the story appears in the BBC
Could Hunga Tonga or other undersea volcanoes be steadily pumping heat directly into the oceans? Such possibilities are studiously ignored by establishment scientists because they don’t want to consider anything that goes against precious man-made global warming narrative.
Exactly DB1! The same applies to suppression of EV battery fires etc.
Like the recent EV fire at Gatwick Airport exposed by Paul: https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2024/03/14/gatwick-airport-tesla-fire-cover-up/
You mean a bit like the subsea volcanoes recently discovered off the coast of Italy. Yes, Italy. Not some remote deep ocean trench – the Mediterranean.
Alarmism is the bedrock of the net zero scam. Slowly but surely this is being unravelled. But such are the powerful forces behind it we need to keep rejecting the nonsense, whilst at the same time highlighting the sinister intentions lurking underneath.
Why is 1.25F (a little over 0.69C) described as producing “hot sea-surface temperatures”? Isn’t it just slightly warmer? And records going back 40 years – wow! That’s a large slice of geological time, isn’t it? I can remember swimming in the sea 80 years ago and it was obviously freezing then.
It was just the El Nino. Duh! And now that this is being replaced by La Nina…
Yes, very obvious in the UAH satellite temperatures. December 2022 – February 2023 anomaly was pretty much zero, then it increased very rapidly to 0.90 by September 2024 and has stayed there (note not increasing). It matches the El Nino exactly. I would be amazed if it doesn’t fall back pretty rapidly as the El Nino becomes neutral. If we flip to a La Nina, we could go back to the zero.
Rarely mentioned are geological events on the climate; in particular undersea volcanism, lava flows and thin areas of the crust. A listen to video by J.Kamis presents an interesring case.
The slides that go with the talk are here
https://tomn.substack.com/p/geological-impacts-on-climate
Watch out for slide 15 of the McMurdo dry valley in Antarctica!
Just remember this – John Abraham makes most of his income from the Guardian and other like-minded publications. https://www.theguardian.com/profile/john-abraham
From the link above just look at how many ultra alarmist articles he has posted there over the years. His column with Dana Nuccitelli was actually named “The 97%”.
Reality is that he is a nasty piece of work that I personally had a run in with a few years ago when I proved he was knowingly lying. I will try and locate the email thread with him (not easy for certain reasons!) and post it on here later.
Don’t hear much about NuttyChelli these days
Thank God for small mercies! Seriously though this John Abraham is no real scientist, just a wannabe journo riding the gravy train. He has been making claims like this for decades. Just look at his language “all bets are off” Did you have a bet on “it? Me neither and nobody else did on whatever the bets were supposedly on – junk language . A complete fraud.
Maybe some Argo buoys got caught in an eddy in Malaysia.
Average sea surface temperatures today are roughly 1.25 degrees Fahrenheit higher
‘Roughly.” To two decimal points.
Abraham suspects the main cause of the trend is climate change
Which proves he is clueless. ‘Climate change’ is not a force. It is a result. If it were actually happening. It’s not.
Human-caused climate change is likely playing a role, researchers said
‘Researchers’ are clueless, too.
Climate models predict a steady rise in sea surface temperatures, but not this quickly
So your ‘climate models’ are wrong. Do we still need to destroy our economies, and go neolithic?
Ocean scientists are growing increasingly concerned.
Scary. I think our fine journalist made that up. ‘Increasingly?’ Cirrusly?
Ocean scientists are growing increasingly concerned.
Of course they are, they keep learning more about how much they will never know and they are becoming more concerned about how much many more people are realizing how much they do not know.
“Every day for the last 12 months, the world’s sea surface temperatures have broken records.”
So Q1 should be: What is the depth of that “sea surface” that has been measured?
Satellites can only measure the surface, previous data was of sub-surface temperatures.
WikiP helpfully inform “The exact meaning of surface varies in the literature and in practice. It is usually between 1 millimetre (0.04 in) and 20 metres (70 ft) below the sea surface.”
Therein lies the problem. It’s a racing certainty that water at 20m has not increased by 0.7K vs those of 1982-2011.
The give-away is that temperatures increased rapidly (3-4 months) then stayed where they are for 12 months. Nothing like climate change but clearly a weather phenomenon.
Or an instrument problem or a data management problem.
Did their adjustments get adjusted?
John Abraham’s wikipedia page makes for interesting reading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Abraham_(engineer)
All the usual suspects.
Are these “scientists” really comparing single data points with the average? Who cares how much above the average they are? The only question is how much above previous highs are they?
Deseaux
A prominent Professional Meteorologist in the USA pointed out in a recent blog that some very marked short time scale (e.g a week) SST warmings, notably to the SE of Australia can be linked to sub ocean ground vents. These warmings can probably be assumed to be likely near other sub surface volcanic fault lines. The warmings might well be periodic and have become more marked recently and general circulation currents distributed effects more widely.
Makes a lot of sense given how large and deep the oceans are and how little is known about them.
As I have pointed out for years, Sea Level Rise as a metric has a big problem: we don’t know the size of the basin, nor the changes it is going through. The Science™ says it is all atmospheric, driven by human activity.
Plus the rate has been constant for a hundred years.
“Greenland is melting!” . . . but the rate of SLR didn’t change.
People who get paid as part of the great scam say it is scary. Really? How unusual – not!
And just how reliable and accurate are the data? As we have seen here – and know are also bad in the US and Australia – the land based weather stations are mainly low quality sites. If they can’t even get decent land temperatures how can they be sure to hundredths of a deg F in the vast oceans?
Is it rude to ask about the ‘settled science’ where they tell us they know everything – and yet strangely don’t like to see research funding cut when it is reasonable to assume there is nothing left to research – with all this bafflement and head scratching? Reminds me of Groucho Marx – if you don’t like this settled science I have others.
The data used to measure these trends dates back more than 40 years and comes from networks of monitoring buoys and robotic devices designed to help meteorologists make weather forecasts.
Anonymous ‘robotic devices.’
What about satellite data? Does it agree?
So if ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’ is warming the atmosphere can anyone explain how a warmer atmosphere can create a huge change in sea (water) temperature given the heat capacity of water is around 1000x that of air!! It would require an enormous heating of the atmosphere to cause even a marginal increase in ocean temperatures so where is the heat coming from (I think WE know!!)
This sums it up for me: “Human-caused climate change is likely playing a role” i.e. no proof that it is
Yes, “Human-caused climate change is likely playing a role”, Please, pretty please.
The “so called” climate scientists tell us a huge amount more than they actually understand. They tell us they know what changes in climate are going to happen and then they tell us that no one knows what actually caused ice ages to start and end.
Actually simple. In warmest times, oceans are higher and warmer and that promotes more evaporation and snowfall and ice accumulation on land. More volume and weight of ice on land spreads and causes ice ages to start.
Ice ages get colder as ice spreads and as oceans are lowered. Less evaporation of less ocean area and less evaporation of colder, more frozen oceans causes the ice on land to thaw and the ice sheets to thin and the ice to deplete and retreat.
It snows more in warmest times with more evaporation and snowfall. it snows less in coldest times with less evaporation and snowfall.
This causes cold times to follow warm times and it causes warm times to follow cold times.
From the article:
So scientists don’t yet know precisely why sea surface temperatures have climbed so high.
Is this another way of saying that scientists don’t know why sea surface temperatures have changed?
My layperson’s view is that the mechanisms driving sea surface temperature are too complex and too chaotic to understand.
Climate in the north and south would cycle with the solar cycles with much more warming and cooling in the south and north if it were not for the self correcting influence of water, in the abundance of water and the changing states of water. The forming of polar ice in the warmest times and the thawing of polar ice in the coldest times explains the bounding of climate upper and lower temperature bounds. It cannot get too hot because it will snow too much in the polar regions, it cannot get too cold because it will not snow enough to maintain the ice on land.
Thermostat control!
When oceans are too warm, sea ice is removed and it snows more with more accumulation of ice on land until more volume and weight of ice spreads and causes cooling.
When oceans are too cold, sea ice prevents evaporation and snowfall and accumulation of ice on land until the volume and weight of ice is depleted and ice extent retreats to allow warming again.
Alternating warm and cold periods are natural, necessary, self-correcting, something to be understood, not something we can control with a trace gas.
“Settled Science” strikes again!
I posit that the ocean ‘warming’ is nothing more than the conveyor effect… at some time in the past, the planet was warmer, that warmer water submerged due to the natural circulation of the oceans, and it is now resurfacing.
This implies that once that heat energy is expelled to space and cooler water (from subsequent cooler periods in Earth’s history) surfaces, we could be in for a long bout of cooling.
Hunga Tonga indeed:
https://cliscep.com/2023/07/22/just-stop-volcanoes/
Probably the effect of the Mediaeval Warming on the oceans now manifesting.
Lots of theories about why but what about a reduction in wind speeds, I have seen no mention anywhere, but must be a possibility:
If winds have lessened globally, there are 2 possible effects on surface water temperatures:
It’s quite clear that the seasons have a major influence – i.e. the variations in insolation arising from the tilt of the earth’s axis and the eccentricity of its orbit.
From the Copernicus measurements, the average sea surface temperature record was previously from March 2016, with a global average 20.95C.
The record is now broken for February 2024, with a temperature of 21.06C.
So a difference of 0.11C, is this really so huge it is causing such problems?
Stanford Uni
Molten salt can function as a large-scale thermal storage method that would allow other energy sources, such as nuclear and solar, to become more feasible by smoothing out the fluctuations in demand and weather. The lack of widespread use comes down to costs; hydropumping is less expensive where applicable, and renewable sources don’t account for enough of the energy consumption pie to implement thermal storage. Molten salt nuclear reactors may continue to grow, but more developments are needed before large-scale thermal storage for nuclear power becomes competitive. Looking to the future after depleting carbon-based fuel, the successful demonstration of molten salt storage for solar power will provide a price floor for tapping into the desert to meet our power demands.
Are these really Scientists ??? …….. Have they no knowledge of Undersea Volcanic Activity !!! ………. Is there any mention of this activity and how it has increased ??? ………. I recommend the OUTSTANDING Weather Man “JOE BASTARDI” at Weatherbell.com who has been onto this matter for a while now.
https://www.climatedepot.com/2023/10/17/meteorologist-joe-bastardi-solving-the-mystery-of-global-temperature-volcanic-eruption-sent-immense-amounts-of-water-vapor-into-the-air/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13192147/200-small-earthquakes-hour-detected-Canada.html